So is GRNC going to push to have this passed? With a looming supermajority due to Rep Tricia Cotham switching from D to R, making the house veto proof. Or is this going to get over looked?
Everyone needs to keep themselves on the GRNC alert list and be ready to call/email the crap out of these critters on short notice. Fortune favors the prepared. There is no excuse not to get it done when we have the numbers, but if there are two-faced snakes in the GOP seating section, we need to flush them out with a recorded vote and override attempt, regardless.So is GRNC going to push to have this passed? With a looming supermajority due to Rep Tricia Cotham switching from D to R, making the house veto proof. Or is this going to get over looked?
It will also show the RINO’s in the House (and Senate) … THERE ARE QUITE A FEW.There is ABSOLUTELY no excuse to not hold a vote on Constitutional Carry now.
There is a good point in that, it's the off limit places that really get you. Before we had state preemption it was quite a hot mess.I would rather they work on getting more gun-free-zone crap out of the way and/or restrictions put on what can be made gun-free. Carrying without a permit is cool and all, but if they lose power it will be trivial to make carry so impossible as to be unworkable. No reason any venue that doesn't provide armed guards should be off limits for the good guys to protect themselves.
Get that at least codified so it takes some work on their part to undo, then if you're still in power go after the permit free carry.
Agreed, if I am not trustworthy or competent enough to carry in a school, then I shouldn't be carrying in Wal-Mart.Just got some email about it, looks like they're going for it.
Good news, but they must protect what 'carry' actually means or it will become worthless after they get this passed. See... every blue state as an example. There are way too many ways to restrict the practical application of carry to leave it to chance.
Agreed, if I am not trustworthy or competent enough to carry in a school, then I shouldn't be carrying in Wal-Mart.
They have to keep the existing permit system for reciprocity purposes, so you can take your permit to a non-Constitutional Carry state. You bring up an interesting point, though. There are places where carry is only allowed if you have a CHP, for example, restaurants that serve alcohol, State Parks, playgrounds and greenways when the city has posted them, or car pool lines at schools. Will people without a CHP be permitted to carry in those places?Would be really nice to get this passed soon so I dont have to spend half a day fiddling making an appointment to renew, finding a parking place that I have to pay for, going into the $#!T hole that is the sheriff's office and smilling at the admins who begrudgingly do their crappy jobs with a perma frown, to get my CCP "permit". But I guess without CCP's then you'll have to wait at LGS while they call in a NICS check which works so well in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mental defectives.
Would be really nice to get this passed soon so I dont have to spend half a day fiddling making an appointment to renew, finding a parking place that I have to pay for, going into the $#!T hole that is the sheriff's office and smilling at the admins who begrudgingly do their crappy jobs with a perma frown, to get my CCP "permit". But I guess without CCP's then you'll have to wait at LGS while they call in a NICS check which works so well in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mental defectives.
Without a CHP you cannot have a firearm within 1000ft of a school according to federal law, I would recommend you keep it even if constitutional carry is passed.Would be really nice to get this passed soon so I dont have to spend half a day fiddling making an appointment to renew, finding a parking place that I have to pay for, going into the $#!T hole that is the sheriff's office and smilling at the admins who begrudgingly do their crappy jobs with a perma frown, to get my CCP "permit". But I guess without CCP's then you'll have to wait at LGS while they call in a NICS check which works so well in keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and mental defectives.
Their funding for the permitting division just got gutted with the repeal of PPP. They’ll probably slow down even more now.I'm hoping the infringement minded sheriffs decide they no longer need to slow roll the permits if this passes, since they're no longer impeding concealed carry at that point.
How much did the PPPs ever really generate? 5$ a permit and somebody has to go online and do research for a while, I don't see how that ever paid off financially to begin with?Their funding for the permitting division just got gutted with the repeal of PPP. They’ll probably slow down even more now.
It was about power & control, not money. I think the one report I saw was it cost them >$50 to process each one. And I don’t know if that took into consideration the labor spent on by the various places that had to reply to mental health checks. For example, the Meck Sheriff sent it off to about a dozen different places.How much did the PPPs ever really generate? 5$ a permit and somebody has to go online and do research for a while, I don't see how that ever paid off financially to begin with?
I seem to remember some years back that GRNC was able to get that $5 fee fixed so that no county could increase it. A "poison pill" so to speak, just so they would not be able to raise the fee to pay for the increasing expenses. Who knows, maybe that is whey the sheriff's association was for the repeal this time around - it was costing them money.How much did the PPPs ever really generate? 5$ a permit and somebody has to go online and do research for a while, I don't see how that ever paid off financially to begin with?
It MUST have been a money pit, you can't pay for much with 5$ per permit.I seem to remember some years back that GRNC was able to get that $5 fee fixed so that no county could increase it. A "poison pill" so to speak, just so they would not be able to raise the fee to pay for the increasing expenses. Who knows, maybe that is whey the sheriff's association for for the repeal this time around - it was costing them money.
You know if they follow the same route they did with PPP; they may make CWP obsolete as well. I say this because originally PPP were still going to be obtainable since the increase of NICS flags and the 6+ month application of a UPIN. As the PPP was a work around option for an NICS flag. But they ended up making all PPP null and void instead of keeping the option to obtain one if a citizen wanted.Without a CHP you cannot have a firearm within 1000ft of a school according to federal law, I would recommend you keep it even if constitutional carry is passed.
Yep. No way $5 paid the cost of processing. Anybody know the status of the CC bill?How much did the PPPs ever really generate? 5$ a permit and somebody has to go online and do research for a while, I don't see how that ever paid off financially to begin with?
They need to amend it…and get rid of the PPP reference.
So, were these customers passing NICS background checks until recently? Were they previously buying with pistol purchase permits? Is the NICS system starting to flag people for no reason? I'd like to know more about this.I was talking to the local stores and they have seen a huge uptick in flags for long time customers especially around certain purchases deemed assault rifles for awhile..
Hunter Biden lied on a 4473 but he ain’t been prosecuted so no I dont think I can help ya on that oneSo, were these customers passing NICS background checks until recently? Were they previously buying with pistol purchase permits? Is the NICS system starting to flag people for no reason? I'd like to know more about this.
I wonder how many prohibited people heard the news about PPP going away, along with the media misrepresenting the news by making is sound like no more background checks. They show up at a guns store and try to buy a gun and end up getting flagged. How many of them lied on their 4473? And how many of them get charged for lying?
Does anyone know of any case were a prohibited person lied on a 4473 and was prosecuted?
I know first hand of an individual who has been a gun owner for 20+ years no issues Went into a local place and was flagged about 6-8 months ago for buying a long gun. No issues or problems just flagged for additional research needed by NICS. This particular place didn't go by the 3 day brady laws, so they waited 30 days for an answer with nothing ever responded by NICS and after the 30 days went back and they applied again and it was flagged again with no response. The store recommended that the individual go and apply for a pistol permit as they had been seeing more flags. The guy who worked there said he had been flagged recently. They applied for PPP and was approved in about 5 days at local sheriff dept and went back to the store to buy the item with no issues. They have since applied for a UPIN but still hasn't came back but also applied for a CHP that was approved about 2 months ago.So, were these customers passing NICS background checks until recently? Were they previously buying with pistol purchase permits? Is the NICS system starting to flag people for no reason? I'd like to know more about this.
I wonder how many prohibited people heard the news about PPP going away, along with the media misrepresenting the news by making is sound like no more background checks. They show up at a guns store and try to buy a gun and end up getting flagged. How many of them lied on their 4473? And how many of them get charged for lying?
Does anyone know of any case were a prohibited person lied on a 4473 and was prosecuted?
That is all well and good but the original draft of the Pistol Permit stated basically the same thing of allowing the citizen to acquire a pistol permit if they desired it and then the final passed bill made them null/void effective immediately upon going into law.
I’ve never had a NICS run at a gun shop or show. Is the firearm part of the request? I always assumed it was just a generic request that was approved or denied, and the dealer had to deal with the particular firearm details afterwards.The small consensus I explored conveyed that most flags were SBR and long semi-auto rifles including the 10/22. Now that can be taken as a grain of salt until someone can provide the above forementioned data points.
When you file your 4473 and they run the background check. That background check is ran through NICS. All FFL dealers have to run this check unless you have a CHP currently. You are correct usually it will either approve or deny but there is the possibility it comes back "delayed" (which means further investigation is needed with no explanation)I’ve never had a NICS run at a gun shop or show. Is the firearm part of the request? I always assumed it was just a generic request that was approved or denied, and the dealer had to deal with the particular firearm details afterwards.
I recall sitting at my FFL while they called in a NICS check, before I had a CHP, and I remember some question about whether stripped AR lowers were a long gun or not. The person on the phone clarified that a bare receiver is a firearm.I’ve never had a NICS run at a gun shop or show. Is the firearm part of the request? I always assumed it was just a generic request that was approved or denied, and the dealer had to deal with the particular firearm details afterwards.
Yeah, I got all that. But you didn’t answer my question. @Jerzsubbie got it though.When you file your 4473 and they run the background check. That background check is ran through NICS. All FFL dealers have to run this check unless you have a CHP currently. You are correct usually it will either approve or deny but there is the possibility it comes back "delayed" (which means further investigation is needed with no explanation)
I found a link on it https://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NSSF-Factsheet-NICS-Delays.pdf
So as the link said that it usually resolves within 3-10 days but the individual I know and apparently others haven't been receiving answers at all within 30 days. Some dealers especially your larger dealers, usually require a clear yes or no answer and opt not to sale under the 3 day brady period and wait for a definite answer. But if NICS doesn't respond within 30 days to the dealer it is essentially a game of stale mate for the customer. I mean it makes sense that a dealer get a definitive answer for safety but the NICS website basically states after 3 days they quit looking at the delay because of the active brady law.
If you google it you will find it is becoming a growing problem and that NICS recommend if it happens to you that you file for a UPIN which essentially is a number given to you that verifies that you are; who you say you are. It is very interesting.
My apologies. I thought when I said "When you file your 4473 and they run the background check. That background check is ran through NICS. All FFL dealers have to run this check unless you have a CHP currently" that answered your question. Glad you got an answer that was clear to you though.Yeah, I got all that. But you didn’t answer my question. @Jerzsubbie got it though.
My question, in case it wasn’t clear, is did the type of firearm matter. You had said it was SBRs (which wouldn’t need a NICS) and 10/22s. I wasn’t sure where in the NICS check itself (since I know it’s on the 4473) the type of firearm was part of the equation.My apologies. I thought when I said "When you file your 4473 and they run the background check. That background check is ran through NICS. All FFL dealers have to run this check unless you have a CHP currently" that answered your question. Glad you got an answer that was clear to you though.
Not a single state I know of that has passed constitutional carry has done away with there carry licenses so I highly doubt NC will.You know if they follow the same route they did with PPP; they may make CWP obsolete as well. I say this because originally PPP were still going to be obtainable since the increase of NICS flags and the 6+ month application of a UPIN. As the PPP was a work around option for an NICS flag. But they ended up making all PPP null and void instead of keeping the option to obtain one if a citizen wanted.
I was talking to the local stores and they have seen a huge uptick in flags for long time customers especially around certain purchases deemed assault rifles for awhile.. So if constitutional carry goes through, I guess we will see if they keep the verbiage of a citizen's choice of keeping/obtaining CWP or make them null/void like PPP.
Of course they’re not gonna do away with it…that’s clearly stated in the proposal. (See post #63) 😉Not a single state I know of that has passed constitutional carry has done away with there carry licenses so I highly doubt NC will.
Hunter Biden lied on a 4473 but he ain’t been prosecuted so no I dont think I can help ya on that one