GRNC Alert: Constitutional carry bill filed in General Assembly
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We need to get those cowards on record one way or another so we have future leverage on them, which means we need to get this to a floor vote, regardless of the inevitable Cooper veto.
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Oh ye of little faith
Oh, I have faith. I also remember history and am not surprised when it repeats.
Not to worry, this won't go anywhere.
It might go to Scoopers desk but it will get the all too familiar veto stamp. Then we will hear how we just need to vote harder next time and give GRNC, GOA, NRA or whomever more money to help get republicans elected.
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Although I agree with the cynicism generally, the grain of truth in the "we just need to elect Republicans" is that with a Mark Robinson or similar in the governor's mansion, this would actually happen. It is no longer 1990, 2000, or 2010. Permitless carry is now the bare minimum to even be considered as an electable Republican governor. This nation is replete with crappy RINO governors who have been forced to hold their noses and sign permitless carry into law to keep their jobs. Robinson would sign in a heartbeat.
If we don't do the work now to get the legislators on record as supporting this "because it'll just get vetoed by Cooper", we are missing the forest for the trees and setting ourselves up for failure in the future. I personally want to be able to call these lazy POSs and say "you voted Yes last year, when it had no chance of a veto override, and I sure as hell expect you to pass the thing again now that the governor will sign it". A recent voting record is the one thing a politician can't hide from.
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I’d still keep mine. It’ll still be a substitute for NICS, and give you reciprocity where allowed.
And also be required when the Dems change it back if they get majorities
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This will go thru the House. If you want to be entertained for awhile, when the bill goes into committee and then to the floor, tune in and listen to the Dems whine and promise blood in the streets and blah blah blah
It better go thru the House and Senate and land on Coopers desk which is where it will die from a veto that won’t be overridden because they need one single Democrat to cross the aisle. They won’t pass it in my opinion because the democrats will not break party lines despite it being a decent piece of Legislation.
The Democrats have plans and ideas they campaign on. The Republicans don’t. What did Dan Forest run on? What were his ideals and plans for the state? Nothing! That’s why he lost the bid for the Governors Manson. NC is not a solid red state like folks might want to think it is. I would venture to say it’s moving more purple and blue every day.
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They don't need a Dem to vote for it. The requirement to override a veto is 60% of votes cast. They just need a Dem to be absent/not vote.
In prior years, they would start with the budget, then after that's passed, in the final days, they do everything else like gun laws. But you can see the strategy here:
- Pass everything that Cooper is going to veto, early in the session.
- Now put all the veto overrides on the calendar every single day.
- Keep the vetoes in your top drawer ready to pull out on a moment's notice.
- The first voting day a Dem is absent, start calling override votes on everything.
We hope they do this but we will see
Given that Pooper locked the whole state down without the legal authority to do so, the Republicans should have been able to run a ham sandwich and win. That piece of garbage destroyed the lives of a lot of small business owners.
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I'm waiting to be convinced that each one of the Republicans will stand firm and vote yes. I sincerely appreciate all of those who are making efforts to keep attention on this bill so we can see where the weaknesses are.
No arguments there. I totally agree. I think Cooper has aspirations on the national level at Senate maybe even potus
I think you may be wrong this time. It WILL make it to the floor. It WILL pass, and it WILL get some bipartisan support. This is my prediction. Whether the SOLID bipartisan crossovers are sufficient in number to override Roy is another question.
JMO. If I knew the future for certain I would not be posting on some bulletin board but busy ruling the world!
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I hope so, but at this time my trust in the .gov is very low.
Every dogcatcher and DA in Bugawhump, Nowhere has aspirations for national level and maybe potus
I fear the cynics are right. I met Alan Chesser tonight... Alan is a PRINCIPLED contstitutionalist and the main sponsor. He is a good guy in an age where good guys are very rare.
I asked him tonight if we had enough votes to override Cooper's veto when this passes. He hesitated and said "I hope so."..... then went on to tell me that the democratic co sponsor VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN DAMNED BILL.
Only one way to explain that... pressure got to him.
It may wind up getting saved, and there WILL be the issue of running on that bill in the next gov race, but I have gone from hopeful to a bit sad. The bill will pass and be sent to Cooper, but I doubt the votes will exist (straight party line) to override his veto.
Just saying it like I think it is.
BTW Alan Chesser is a wonderful person. He drove over incognito to sit in on the CCP training.
I asked him tonight if we had enough votes to override Cooper's veto when this passes. He hesitated and said "I hope so."..... then went on to tell me that the democratic co sponsor VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN DAMNED BILL.
Only one way to explain that... pressure got to him.
It may wind up getting saved, and there WILL be the issue of running on that bill in the next gov race, but I have gone from hopeful to a bit sad. The bill will pass and be sent to Cooper, but I doubt the votes will exist (straight party line) to override his veto.
Just saying it like I think it is.
BTW Alan Chesser is a wonderful person. He drove over incognito to sit in on the CCP training.
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Michael Wray won’t vote for it to override Cooper. He will vote for it up until Cooper tells him not to do so.
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The 2nd amendment is crystal clear in its meaning. Anything that attempts to regulate it is a violation of the constitution.
The Republicans have no excuse not to get this done as well. Pass it now in both chambers and then call the veto override vote when a few dems are absent.
If this gets bogged down in committee and doesn't reach the floor, it means one thing and one thing only: multiple Republicans maliciously lied to your face when they said they were pro-2A, and they want to avoid having their name on a vote.
If this gets bogged down in committee and doesn't reach the floor, it means one thing and one thing only: multiple Republicans maliciously lied to your face when they said they were pro-2A, and they want to avoid having their name on a vote.
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I would rather they work on getting more gun-free-zone crap out of the way and/or restrictions put on what can be made gun-free. Carrying without a permit is cool and all, but if they lose power it will be trivial to make carry so impossible as to be unworkable. No reason any venue that doesn't provide armed guards should be off limits for the good guys to protect themselves.
Get that at least codified so it takes some work on their part to undo, then if you're still in power go after the permit free carry.
Get that at least codified so it takes some work on their part to undo, then if you're still in power go after the permit free carry.
Constitutional carry is the next logical step, though I’m equally skeptical that it’ll get passed as I was for PPP repeal.
Good point @Jayne about removing gun-free zones. We made great progress when R’s had control years ago, not sure how much more we can get. School carry would be nice.
I’d want to maintain private property owners’ rights to post their property. Other than schools and government buildings, what are the other big gun-free zones now?
I’d be in favor of allowing one to protect their property, preventing criminals from bringing civil suits if they were harmed during the commission of a crime, and/or finding a way to flip the current state of criminals having more protections than law abiding citizens.
Good point @Jayne about removing gun-free zones. We made great progress when R’s had control years ago, not sure how much more we can get. School carry would be nice.
I’d want to maintain private property owners’ rights to post their property. Other than schools and government buildings, what are the other big gun-free zones now?
I’d be in favor of allowing one to protect their property, preventing criminals from bringing civil suits if they were harmed during the commission of a crime, and/or finding a way to flip the current state of criminals having more protections than law abiding citizens.
They have the right to post their property in any state. That doesn't mean the state has the right to sanction what's described on the sign.
I can post my business saying "no red t-shirts allowed", but that doesnt mean the state should impose a law criminalizing the wearing of a red shirt into my store. I can call the cops to arrest and file trespassing charges on anyone who is wearing a red shirt and refuses to leave. The same is true when it comes to carrying a gun.
"Private GFZ signs carry criminal penalties" is absolutely a violation of 2A.
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I don't like the idea that private property that is open to the public can randomly make things illegal. If you want 100% control over your property do not make it open to the public.
hospitals? DPAC? DMV?
I also don't see why 'government buildings' are automatically magical places. What's so special about a library, or a school, or the concessions building at Bass Lake compared to Harris Teeter or Lowes? Places that deal with actual criminals (courthouses, prisons, etc) provide some security so I can see that, but otherwise.... why? "the feels" isn't a reason.
I think the fact that ignoring a GFZ sign on private property is merely an infraction is quite reasonable. Politicians always talk about compromise, this is an actual compromise. Property owners have the ability to post their property and we have the option of ignoring their wishes with the risk of a relatively small fine. Is it the ideal situation? Of course not. I’d rather see stores/malls/public places that post have to either provide armed security or accept liability for any harm that comes to someone as a result of being unarmed.
If anything, gov buildings should be held to a higher standard and not be allowed to infringe on constitutional rights. But the reality is they’ll always think they’re special, that’s why fixing that one barely even crosses my mind.
My rights are not a bargaining chip to be compromised by politicians. I don't care if the infraction is a 1¢ fine. It's a violation of my right to keep and bear arms, enacted by a government that claims to exist in order to protect my rights.
Isn't that the issue: Dems/Progressives promising (and delivering) blood in the streets?
The blood on the streets flows in cities where citizens are unable to defend themselves due to pro criminal gun laws.
I heard somewhere a LEO saying he didn’t fear a person properly carrying a gun in a holster he can see on their hip cause most of the time bad guys don’t even own a holster. I know he was halfway joking but he does make a point … I see someone open carrying properly in a good holster I don‘t think twice (in a cheap bad fitting holster I might shake my head a little and smirk) it’s when the bad guy were to come in gun in hand that I’d start worrying. I don’t like open carry for me in general but if that is what floats a good law abiding citizen’s boat ... why not.