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I’ve gotten the bug to build a 1911. I haven’t really done a lot with 1911s other than shoot and clean. Anyone build a 1911 that can share some wisdom? For my first one or two, I plan on using completed frames, before venturing out into the 80%ers. Would appreciate info on what brand of frames and parts are best for someone starting out.
 
I sourced parts from Brownells, Sarco, Cylinder & Slide and a few other places. Got Para lowers from Sarco, as I recall.
Built Para Ordnance 1911 Sngl./Dbl. Stack
I was told the Series 70 is easier by a few people after I had begun working.
Best advice: patience

I still have a few nice Para Slides, barrels and A Lot of small parts I have been thinking of trading or selling.
 
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I sourced parts from Brownells, Sarco, Cylinder & Slide and a few other places. Got Para lowers from Sarco, as I recall.
Built Para Ordnance 1911 Sngl./Dbl. Stack
I was told the Series 70 is easier by a few people after I had begun working.
Best advice: patience

I still have a few nice Para Slides, barrels and A Lot of small parts I have been thinking of trading or selling.
Thanks for the info. I read the series 70 was the way to go for beginner builders. I was just looking at Sarco’s website. Looks like this itch is about to get expensive lol.
 
Are you planning on hand fitting the slide to frame? Barrel to frame and slide?
"Jerry Kuhnhausen on Smithing the 1911" are good book to have, read thru them before you buy and parts or tools.

It's not like assembling a AR15, it take a good amount of fitting to build one right. Drop in parts while available aren't really the way to go with a 1911
 
I’ve fit parts to maybe 7-8 1911’s. Thumb safeties, slide stops, mag catches, sights, triggers, mag wells, cut frame tangs and fit a beavertail. I’ve never attempted anything with sears, hammers and disconnectors, or barrels and bushings.

I am no smith and purely an amateur. Just fitting those parts spooked me from actually building one.

@Criminalcamel built one if I recall and posted a thread about it, I think here. Checkering and all.
 
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Drop in parts while available aren't really the way to go with a 1911
From my experience despite what is said about a part, by a vendor the parts almost always need hand fitting.
That's where the patience comes in.
(Working- Assembling- Disassembling-Working -Repeat)
Looks like this itch is about to get expensive lol.
It can definitely get expensive 😜
But it is a rewarding experience.
 
Another thing I learned just from fitting slide stops alone. None of them are created equal and some I gave up ever getting to fit at all and pitched them in the 1911 parts ammo can.

I had all kinds of files and always seemed like I needed another file that I didn’t have.
 
The Kuhnausen Shop Manuals are a must-have for any level of tinkering on 1911s.

Price sure has gone up on those books though...

 
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Are you planning on hand fitting the slide to frame? Barrel to frame and slide?
"Jerry Kuhnhausen on Smithing the 1911" are good book to have, read thru them before you buy and parts or tools.

It's not like assembling a AR15, it take a good amount of fitting to build one right. Drop in parts while available aren't really the way to go with a 1911
Thanks for the book suggestion. I’ll look it up tonight. Plan on hand fitting everything, or at least given it my best. I will admit, this will be my biggest project to date. Done the AR and striker fired kit builds, built a few bolt guns. But they aren’t even close to the this project.
 
I’ve fit parts to maybe 7-8 1911’s. Thumb safeties, slide stops, mag catches, sights, triggers, mag wells, cut frame tangs and fit a beavertail. I’ve never attempted anything with sears, hammers and disconnectors, or barrels and bushings.

I am no smith and purely an amateur. Just fitting those parts spooked me from actually building one.

@Criminalcamel built one if I recall and posted a thread about it, I think here. Checkering and all.
I searched the forum last night. Couldn’t find anything. I’ll search his screen name, maybe I’ll have more luck.
 
From my experience despite what is said about a part, by a vendor the parts almost always need hand fitting.
From the little reading I have done. If you want quality and great function, this is a must.
 
I had all kinds of files and always seemed like I needed another file that I didn’t have.
Sounds just like working on vehicles. Engineers always designing some new fangled part/bolt that requires a special tool for removal/installation. I think the CEOs of vehicle companies and the CEOs of Snap on and Mac Tools were colluding to take every last dollar I made.
 
The Kuhnausen Shop Manuals are a must-have for any level of tinkering on 1911s.

Price sure has gone up on those books though...

Going to see if a can find a PDF version of these and the one that @9major mentioned upstream. If I do, and the file isn’t to big. I’ll share them in this thread.
 
There is a Les Baer SRP in the classifieds.

Just saying‘. 😬
Can I pay for it part by part 🤣🤣🤣. That’s the advantages of the build, I think 🤔
 
@Average Joe
I sent you a PM on a PSA kit I got when I thought I wanted to build one.
Let me know if you are interested.
If Average Joe is not interested, I'll open the offer to others.
PM replied. Check your inbox.
 
Montgomery county community college runs a good gunsmithing program, but it won’t be necessarily specific to just 1911s.

Larry Vickers used to run a 1911 building class but he’s had some pretty big distractions the past few years.
 
It has been my experience that the 80% kits from 1911Builders are pretty straightforward to complete with jigs from Matrix Precision. All the parts come from the same source manufacturer (I think Dasan Industries, same as tr-enabling sells) so they work together nicely. On two of those kit builds I got to a functional gun with no need to fit the barrel or even change the link that comes pre-installed. Now, a barrel that drops in like that is not match grade no matter whether it has "match" stamped on it or not (lol), but they do work pretty well. With those kits, once you've drilled the frame and cut the rails, most of the other parts just assemble together and function fine. With the exception of the thumb safety which will not turn "on" until you've filed just enough of the nubbin down that it can just barely get past the sear. That's a good thing, you wouldn't want that to drop in because it would then allow some amount of sear movement while engaged.

On those 80% frames it's absolutely critical that you deck the frame to the right height and make it nice and level across the top before cutting the rails. I do most of the decking with a file and the Matrix jig, then I finish it off with a stone, which is time consuming, but I want it as flat as I can get it. If the deck height is off or it's got a high spot somewhere, your rails will be off and the slide/barrel will sit higher or lower than they're supposed to. That will then screw up your barrel fit and possibly give you problems with the disconnector. Once you have the deck height right, the rail cutting is really very straightforward, just requires the patience to go slow and measure often. If you want it really nice, only cut till you can start the slide about 1/4 of the way onto the frame, then do the rest with stones.

Now that's just the work to make the gun functional. There are at least two more really time consuming jobs. One is blending the frame into the grip safety with files and sandpaper. With the parts dropped in the grip safety will probably sit low of the frame so it'll bite you if you shoot it like that. The thumb safety may also need blending to not stick over the edge of the frame. This guy does a nice job. The other, more subtle thing is that those 80% Dasan frames have a trigger track like a cobblestone road. The top and bottom of hole connecting the trigger guard to the magwell is rough. You put an aluminum trigger in there and shoot the gun a few hundred times, take the trigger out and there'll be huge gouges in it, which you can feel as grittiness in the pull. Smoothing out those areas of the frame is extremely annoying because it's awkward to get in there. A file wrapped in sandpaper worked for me.

A stainless frame is nice because you don't have to blue it or anything after you're done, just polish it up. Also, get a frame that already has front strap checkering. You can do it yourself but trust me, it's totally worth an extra $40 to save hours of mind numbing work and a cramp in your hand. I have done it on one gun and about 5 minutes into the job I realized it was going to be a much bigger ordeal than I had in mind, but there was no turning back.

To install a match barrel like a Kart takes a lot more work and a few more specialized tools (lower lug cutter, lug file, chamber reamer).
 
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Here’s criminalcamel’s 1911 build thread from a couple of years ago.

 
I have the PDF version of

The U.S. M1911/M1911A1 Pistols & Commercial Ml911 Pistols
A Shop Manual .45 Auto Series Volume II
Jerry Kuhnhausen

Send me a PM for more information.
 
And I have the PDF version of

The U.S. M1911/M1911A1 Pistols & Commercial Ml911 Pistols
A Shop Manual .45 Auto Series Volume I
Jerry Kuhnhausen

Send me a PM for more information.
 
I slapped one together on a PSA frame. Put a sarco (phillipine/RIA) top end kit on it. Mix of ebay and reputable small parts. Slide took a little fitting to slide on. Disconnector was the only thing gave any fits, had to find one big enough to require fitting. I've run a couple thousand thru it in matches and practice without incident. Seemed pretty simple, maybe I'm lucky.
 
Built a few, proper tools will help you a lot. stones, files, Dykem Layout Fluid Blue (helps)
Matrix Jig works great. A good set of Mics, Calipers, and "time"..
what you get out of it is what you put in it. they are fun, lots of fun, a "lot"
of fitting if you want it to work right.
To me their easier than building MP5's, UZI'sHK's, AK's, Krinks, etc.. welding, rivets, bending..

"Mosinvirus Youtube videos" will show you a lot (someone posted one) there are a lot
does some great work.

Bob Marvel "is the Man" my opinion

Here's some random links
http://vadertactical.com/ (has /had some great frames)
(Bob Marvel)

Your gonna get into single stack, Double stack, ramped, non ramped, etc.
Sarco at one time sold some decent parts kit and tons of "Para" parts.
I use Bar-sto barrels, "Steel Frames and Stainless Steel Frames not much of an Aluminum person.

A friend on another forum builds some great looking 1911's
has plenty of pictures and other threads

test fire in a Ransom Rest, then tweak as you go.
sorry for the running item to item, a lot to cover.
If you want Shoot me a PM for the more nfo
Have Fun and ENJOY...

-Snoopz
 
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I say go for it. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, but ended up learning a huge amount about the platform.

My only advice is don’t go into it thinking you are going to save money. I have probably double in mine what an equivalent springer loaded would have been off the shelf…….but I made it, so it’s hard to put a price on that. I finally threw away my bin of jacked up 1911 parts a few months ago, so be prepared to screw up. Even with the checkering, it looks horrible until right before it is done, so keep pushing through and learn.

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I say go for it. I had no idea what I was getting myself into, but ended up learning a huge amount about the platform.

My only advice is don’t go into it thinking you are going to save money. I have probably double in mine what an equivalent springer loaded would have been off the shelf…….but I made it, so it’s hard to put a price on that. I finally threw away my bin of jacked up 1911 parts a few months ago, so be prepared to screw up. Even with the checkering, it looks horrible until right before it is done, so keep pushing through and learn.

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She looks great! For tools, anything you suggest that’s a must have?
 
I ended up buying a bunch of different files, so a variety pack with different profiles would be useful. A giant package of cloth backed sand paper of different grits is also a must. The paper backed stuff just falls apart. I went through a dozen or more of the green cratex dremel bits…. Those things are great for final removal of file marks. Harbor freight has a small padded vice with a super power suction cup on the bottom…. Sounds dinky, but they really hold solid and don’t scratch the workpiece.

The only 1911 specific tools I bought are an Ed brown sear jig, a power custom checkering guide and grobet checkering files. I did the front strap and backstrap in 25lpi and it is perfect for general use. 30 isn’t grippy enough for me and 20 eats my hands. I did the back of the slide in 40lpi to match the sight, but probably wouldn’t do it again. The higher lpi, the shallower the cut and the file wants to jump all over the place.

I learned the most from mosinvirus on YouTube. I don’t think he posts anymore, but he is massively talented and explains what he is doing well.

The only thing I didn’t do on mine was the barrel to slide fit. It looked too much like voodoo and I walked into a cheap upper half off a broken Springfield.
 
Building 1911s is not cheap, but it's very, very interesting.

Caspian makes great frames and slides. I'll second everyone else's recommendations regarding tools: get good files (including a set of safe-edge files), stones, very fine sandpapers, emery cloth, dykem marking fluid, good calipers, jigs, and large and small leather-jawed vises. Also, Kuhnhausen manuals are a must-own.

A great start would be picking up a decent quality starter gun (like a basic Series 70, a Springfield Mil-Spec, or even a Tisas). I wouldn't recommend Rock Island because they tend to fit well enough to work with themselves, but they don't really gel easily with domestic manufacture small parts (in my experience).

Strip that basic gun to a bare frame and slide. Buy high-quality replacement parts for every single component. Use the manuals and existing parts as your templates for fitting and take it super slowly. Parts like grip and thumb safeties go from "perfect" to "sloppy" to "nonfunctional" in a matter of fileswipes. You can build a helluva sleeper gun without necessarily needing to delve into welding up or fitting rails.
 
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some great comments. and to second the your gonna have more in your build than probably buying one.
figure in the labor, files, tools, but "you built it"
Jigs + files + stones + sandpaper, etc. adds up quick
Files I buy are Nicholson machinist, pick em up here and there.

-Snoopz
 
I’ve gotten the bug to build a 1911. I haven’t really done a lot with 1911s other than shoot and clean. Anyone build a 1911 that can share some wisdom? For my first one or two, I plan on using completed frames, before venturing out into the 80%ers. Would appreciate info on what brand of frames and parts are best for someone starting out.
I built one last year with a Caspian frame and a Sarco Kit. Turned out to be a very accurate shooter.
 
I wanted to build one badly back in school. Luckily there was a guy much more skilled that was already in the process.

I got to watch every step from hand fitting each part, slide to frame, barrel and bushing, to checkering frame. Too nerve racking for me. So i bought a gold cup instead.

In the end, his was much nicer than mine, but i could never have accomplished what he did. Good luck, i envy you for going for it. Please update us with your progress. I'm rooting for ya!
 
i found out my 1911's factory sear had a very small lip on it when i was replacing the trigger and mainspring housing. i spent a good while very carefully filing and stoning that thing. as others have experienced, it kind of curbed my yearning to build one from unfitted parts
 
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