AR-15 STOLEN FROM NC WILDLIFE OFFICER’S TRUCK

No, we need laws to punish them.

This is what is needed. If we enforced our current laws you would see a great difference. Sure up reporting and enforcement and you would see a huge difference imo.
I will bet dollars to doughnuts that it would follow the immigration trend currently happening. I can tell you from personal interactions that I have seen at least a 75 percent reduction in Hispanics being arrested.
 
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For the education of some, and just fodder for others. A NCWRC enforcement officer has more power and authority than a State Trooper or any other LEO in the state. They can search your vehicle on the spot with or without your permission and can also enter you home under the same authority.

That's pure, 100% tyranny.
 
I personally have a fair amount of respect for Wildlife Officers, at least conceptually, for what they do. And as cowboy mentioned, many encounters are with armed people, sometimes poaching or otherwise, doing something wrong and they are out there, back in the country, alone. Are our rules overbearing? I think ours pale in comparison to Alaska!
 
I have known quite a few WEO's over the years and I consider them a step above your average enforcement officer. Their backgrounds checks and training weed out a lot of the bad apples, but it is not 100% (what is?). They do a good job enforcing the fish and wildlife laws. Most haven't a clue as to what wildlife management actually entails. We are the envy of the world when it comes to our natural resources, including wildlife. That is because wildlife in the USA is considered a public resource instead of a private one. It belongs to all of us. In many places, including most of Europe, wildlife belongs to the landowner. And that is why there is very little wildlife there. The exception being the "private hunting reserves" for the wealthy and elite classes (who incidentally have no problems obtaining firearms either). The common man does not hunt in most of Europe or anywhere else around the world unless he is barely scratching out a living in some fly infested hell hole and subsistence hunting is his only avenue for obtaining a bit of protein. I worry that we are slowly moving away from the North American Model of Wildlife Management towards the European Model. Pen raised deer, birds, and other species, high hunting fees, exclusive clubs, all seem to be following the path to hunting being the sport of the elite gentry and not the average american. For those of you who despise government and the WRC do you know that the WRC is almost totally self-sufficient when it comes to funding. They get very little state money from the General Assembly. Licenses, boat registrations, and ammo taxes (pushed through Congress many years ago by hunters ) support the operations of the WRC (If you ever use a boat ramp your boat fees paid for it. If you own a kayak or canoe, please stay away from OUR ramps, you worthless scab! :p ). So, if you buy a hunting or fishing license, then kudos to you. If you do not, then please mind your own business when it comes to fish and wildlife conservation...you worthless scab! :D
 
I have known quite a few WEO's over the years and I consider them a step above your average enforcement officer. Their backgrounds checks and training weed out a lot of the bad apples, but it is not 100% (what is?). They do a good job enforcing the fish and wildlife laws. Most haven't a clue as to what wildlife management actually entails. We are the envy of the world when it comes to our natural resources, including wildlife. That is because wildlife in the USA is considered a public resource instead of a private one. It belongs to all of us. In many places, including most of Europe, wildlife belongs to the landowner. And that is why there is very little wildlife there. The exception being the "private hunting reserves" for the wealthy and elite classes (who incidentally have no problems obtaining firearms either). The common man does not hunt in most of Europe or anywhere else around the world unless he is barely scratching out a living in some fly infested hell hole and subsistence hunting is his only avenue for obtaining a bit of protein. I worry that we are slowly moving away from the North American Model of Wildlife Management towards the European Model. Pen raised deer, birds, and other species, high hunting fees, exclusive clubs, all seem to be following the path to hunting being the sport of the elite gentry and not the average american. For those of you who despise government and the WRC do you know that the WRC is almost totally self-sufficient when it comes to funding. They get very little state money from the General Assembly. Licenses, boat registrations, and ammo taxes (pushed through Congress many years ago by hunters ) support the operations of the WRC (If you ever use a boat ramp your boat fees paid for it. If you own a kayak or canoe, please stay away from OUR ramps, you worthless scab! :p ). So, if you buy a hunting or fishing license, then kudos to you. If you do not, then please mind your own business when it comes to fish and wildlife conservation...you worthless scab! :D

Well also Europe has been civilised for a lot longer than the US. Come back in another thousand years I'm sure you'll find the situations about the same.
 
I’ve been fascinated with the game laws in NC and the south in general ever since moving here. The deer management specifically. Do people just not care to have healthy mature deer to harvest?, or is everyone cool with the whole, if it’s brown, it’s down theory. Growing up hunting when I was young, the laws were the same as they are here, any buck is legal. You never saw or had an opportunity to harvest a mature healthy deer that had run it’s life cycle and had a chance to pass on it’s genetics.
The law changed shortly there after.
3 point or better on one side (six pointer for those of you that like meringue on your nanner puddin)
After a few years the heard had corrected and we’ve since seen more mature deer and healthier heards. The happy accident in all that was those of us that hunted the same areas could see over the years where we were harvesting deer sired by those original old bucks. Its amazing to be able to look at a deers antlers and compare the previous harvests and know those genetics continue to get passed down.
 
Wow! You can sure learn a lot about members attitudes from reading this thread.
Indeed you can. In fact look at who "liked" your comment. They're all supporters of the Blue to put it politely.

Some of us are much more Liberty minded and believe the government is illegitimate as is its use of force against the people. We don't agree that the state, or its agents called the police, have true authority or should be granted any powers. This stems from the realization that it is impossible for people to grant or bestow upon others that which they themselves don't possess.

Taken from that perspective, actions such as taxes are no different than armed robbery. If you don't pay up on some arbitrary demand the ones making the demand will try to use force to coerce your compliance. Take away the ritualistic trappings of things like elections and symbols of office and you have a common street thug.

Law has become so totally removed from right and wrong that it has achieved absurdity. The fact that money is stolen from the people and used to hire armed thugs to enforce the edicts of these illegitimate politicians is an atrocity.

The fact is that the situation will never correct itself peacefully. What's even more unfortunate is that many of the states enforcers undoubtedly believe themselves to be the "good" guys, but they're misguided. You see many folks, especially those who were raised with the idea of doing right, doubly so when they were raised as Christians, believe in the righteousness of an "authority".

It isn't about anarchy or as @Traceround just put it, "if it's brown it's down", it's about having armed jackboots who think they have the right to trespass on your property to enforce the politicians edicts, search and detain you, etc. Thst has nothing to do with ethical and responsible hunting, nor do we need the Crown to achieve it.
 
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Indeed you can. In fact look at who "liked" your comment. They're all supporters of the Blue to put it politely.

Some of us are much more Liberty minded and believe the government is illegitimate as is its use of force against the people. We don't agree that the state, or its agents called the police, have true authority or should be granted any powers. This stems from the realization that it is impossible for people to grant or bestow upon others that which they themselves don't possess.

Taken from that perspective, actions such as taxes are no different than armed robbery. If you don't pay up on some arbitrary demand the ones making the demand will try to use force to coerce your compliance. Take away the ritualistic trappings of things like elections and symbols of office and you have a common street thug.

Law has become so totally removed from right and wrong that it has achieved absurdity. The fact that money is stolen from the people and used to hire armed thugs to enforce the edicts of these illegitimate politicians is an atrocity.

The fact is that the situation will never correct itself peacefully. What's even more unfortunate is that many of the states enforcers undoubtedly believe themselves to be the "good" guys, but they're misguided. You see many folks, especially those who were raised with the idea of doing right, doubly so when they were raised as Christians, believe in the righteousness of an "authority".

It isn't about anarchy or as @Traceround just put it, "if it's brown it's down", it's about having armed jackboots who think they have the right to trespass on your property to enforce the politicians edicts, search and detain you, etc. Thst has nothing to do with ethical and responsible hunting, nor do we need the Crown to achieve it.

Dude, I gotta tell you, with that attitude you aren't going far in this life. Now if this is the only place you "express yourself" then you might be okay but if you spout off like that in public a six pack of beer is gonna last you a long time.....
 
Sounds like sovereign citizens to me. Do you make your own tags for your car too?
 
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Sounds like sovereign citizens to me. Do you make your own tags for your car too?
At least I'm not a boot licker like some around here.

As the saying goes, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
 
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Wow! You can sure learn a lot about members attitudes from reading this thread.
Indeed you can. In fact look at who "liked" your comment. They're all supporters of the Blue to put it politely.

Some of us are much more Liberty minded and believe the government is illegitimate as is its use of force against the people. We don't agree that the state, or its agents called the police, have true authority or should be granted any powers. This stems from the realization that it is impossible for people to grant or bestow upon others that which they themselves don't possess.

Taken from that perspective, actions such as taxes are no different than armed robbery. If you don't pay up on some arbitrary demand the ones making the demand will try to use force to coerce your compliance. Take away the ritualistic trappings of things like elections and symbols of office and you have a common street thug.

Law has become so totally removed from right and wrong that it has achieved absurdity. The fact that money is stolen from the people and used to hire armed thugs to enforce the edicts of these illegitimate politicians is an atrocity.

The fact is that the situation will never correct itself peacefully. What's even more unfortunate is that many of the states enforcers undoubtedly believe themselves to be the "good" guys, but they're misguided. You see many folks, especially those who were raised with the idea of doing right, doubly so when they were raised as Christians, believe in the righteousness of an "authority".

It isn't about anarchy or as @Traceround just put it, "if it's brown it's down", it's about having armed jackboots who think they have the right to trespass on your property to enforce the politicians edicts, search and detain you, etc. Thst has nothing to do with ethical and responsible hunting, nor do we need the Crown to achieve it.

I know it is impossible to be a "supporter of the blue" and not be a "liberty" loving person. I find it funny that some people dog pile on when anyone shows (any) support for LE and think that the ones that do support them is some boot licker of the blue. Yes, I support LE and the job they do. No, I don't agree with any officer or agency that abuses their power and authority. Heck, I don't even like an officer with a cocky and arrogant attitude while not abusing the laws they enforce. The Don't Tread on Me avatar I have is a shill so I will be "accepted" by the true patriots and "freedom lovers". Sorry, just not a supporter of anarchy. Are their laws that need to go? Sure many of them, the NFA is a good start along with many, many others.

EDIT: LOL, I was called a boot licker while I was typing about being called a boot licker.
 
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At least I'm not a boot licker like some around here.

As the saying goes, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

So are you not paying any taxes or following any of "our" laws and confronting local, state, and federal Representatives to change things or do you just talk the talk on the interwebs?
 
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I’ve been fascinated with the game laws in NC and the south in general ever since moving here. The deer management specifically. Do people just not care to have healthy mature deer to harvest?, or is everyone cool with the whole, if it’s brown, it’s down theory. Growing up hunting when I was young, the laws were the same as they are here, any buck is legal. You never saw or had an opportunity to harvest a mature healthy deer that had run it’s life cycle and had a chance to pass on it’s genetics.
The law changed shortly there after.
3 point or better on one side (six pointer for those of you that like meringue on your nanner puddin)
After a few years the heard had corrected and we’ve since seen more mature deer and healthier heards. The happy accident in all that was those of us that hunted the same areas could see over the years where we were harvesting deer sired by those original old bucks. Its amazing to be able to look at a deers antlers and compare the previous harvests and know those genetics continue to get passed down.

Well put. That's kinda what all that "Game Warden/Wildlife Biologist/Conservation" stuff is all about. If ANYONE here really believes that hunting/fishing without conservation/management/law enforcement would be somehow better, you are living with your head firmly planted into the sand. While I believe that most hunters and fishermen are ethical, there are more than enough that aren't to ruin it for the rest of us. Calling me, or anyone else here a "boot licker" ain't gonna change that.
 
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Man has become so used to paying taxes and fees and licenses and permits that it has become second nature. It has become acceptable and anyone who balks at it is just not a team player.
We are not a free country. We have "some freedoms" but they are paid for daily. Stop paying and see where that freedom goes.
We will never be the country we once were. We at one time, long ago, had a different type of freedom, one you could actually feel in your bones. But alas, they are just dreams of a freedom that has long vanished.
So for those that have become accustomed to the "man" dictating every limit in your life, enjoy this time in our existence, for those that don't, not sure there is anything left but fervent prayer for our country that will accomplish anything.
 
Well put. That's kinda what all that "Game Warden/Wildlife Biologist/Conservation" stuff is all about. If ANYONE here really believes that hunting/fishing without conservation/management/law enforcement would be somehow better, you are living with your head firmly planted into the sand. While I believe that most hunters and fishermen are ethical, there are more than enough that aren't to ruin it for the rest of us. Calling me, or anyone else here a "boot licker" ain't gonna change that.
You do realize that those people of which you speak have screwed up so many things in nature that its a wonder there is anything left.

The true conservationists are the land owners.
Without them you'll have no animals or anything to "manage".
 
I've had a bunch of interactions with game wardens out in the woods over the years and 75% of those interactions were unpleasant, and the game wardens generally acted like arrogant pricks right off the bat even though I was completely within the law. I have also had a bunch of interactions with other hunters out in the woods over the years and 75% of those interactions were also unpleasant, and those other hunters generally acted like arrogant pricks right off the bat also. In my experience, when it comes to hunting, it doesn't matter who you run into. Either way, there is a 75% they will be an entitled, arrogant prick regardless of which side of the law they are on.
 
I've had a bunch of interactions with game wardens out in the woods over the years and 75% of those interactions were unpleasant, and the game wardens generally acted like arrogant pricks right off the bat even though I was completely within the law. I have also had a bunch of interactions with other hunters out in the woods over the years and 75% of those interactions were also unpleasant, and those other hunters generally acted like arrogant pricks right off the bat also. In my experience, when it comes to hunting, it doesn't matter who you run into. Either way, there is a 75% they will be an entitled, arrogant prick regardless of which side of the law they are on.

Not trying to tend to your business, but, sounds like you may want to pick another hobby.
 
So this thread has been very interesting. The issue is people talk all about how things are not right and we have fallen from what it used to be and how things should be. How many people have been looking at ways to fix the issue? The Tea Party was a start and getting the Donald in office was a good move, but true change must come from local and state level. Also there is the Judicial system to take your argument. If you think you have an argument that you can win with then take it there, or get elected to an office that can start and move bills. There are many things that can be done that are with in the law to get this country back on track to being free again.
 
Not trying to tend to your business, but, sounds like you may want to pick another hobby.

I pretty much have. I quit hunting altogether about 10 years ago and haven't felt the urge to get back into it since.
 
I have always enjoyed hunting and will continue to do so. It's other hunters that I don't like. :D
 
Man has become so used to paying taxes and fees and licenses and permits that it has become second nature. It has become acceptable and anyone who balks at it is just not a team player.
We are not a free country. We have "some freedoms" but they are paid for daily. Stop paying and see where that freedom goes.

100% truth.

There is no private property and you own nothing.

Vehicle, house, land; things YOU worked for, things YOU paid for, things YOU keep up...stop paying taxes on those and you'll find out just how much you don't own. Oh...there's the illusion that it is "yours", but that's all it is...an illusion.
 
So this thread has been very interesting. The issue is people talk all about how things are not right and we have fallen from what it used to be and how things should be. How many people have been looking at ways to fix the issue? The Tea Party was a start...,

The Tea Party got hijacked by statist Republicans who quashed that little rebellion just as fast as possible.
 
The Tea Party got hijacked by statist Republicans who quashed that little rebellion just as fast as possible.

I am not disagreeing, but the fact of the matter is most of us post on here, what are we doing to address the issues and correct them. If the United States were to revert back to 1776 level government people would loose their minds. There has been a long chipping away at rights and no one has gone and tried to repair the damage. If I won the lottery to night I would be in court tomorrow to argue that NFA is completely unconstitutional and all items can not be restricted.
It really starts with education and killing the lies told by the government school systems. If only we had real America History.
 
I am not disagreeing, but the fact of the matter is most of us post on here, what are we doing to address the issues and correct them. If the United States were to revert back to 1776 level government people would loose their minds. There has been a long chipping away at rights and no one has gone and tried to repair the damage. If I won the lottery to night I would be in court tomorrow to argue that NFA is completely unconstitutional and all items can not be restricted.
It really starts with education and killing the lies told by the government school systems. If only we had real America History.

Real American history is ugly and nobody likes ugly.
 
Yeah, bunch of gun grabbers. I'm sure there were people back then crying that things needed to go back to the good ole days before toilet paper too.

You joke, I can see it now. Someone always has to complain.
 
We pay taxes because we are spoiled brats. We like our roads, our bridges, our fire departments, our parks and ball fields, our Navy, Army, Marine Corps and coasties of the TSA. And our subsidized housing, welfare, and health care. And don't forget the subsidized food you eat that is supported by your tax dollars. Check out the cost of the "Farm Bill" program sometime. And I've known it since my first paycheck that the government owns everything. That is old news. If you don't like it, I imagine there are places around the globe that have few or maybe even nonexistent taxes. How about Mali, or Rwanda, or maybe the Pitcairn Islands? If you want to "live free or die" then just leave and do it! :D
 
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That's pure, 100% tyranny.
I am not a lawyer, but I expect many of the warrantless searches are allowed under the "exigent circumstances" rule; that is, the evidence would be gone by the time the officer went to a magistrate and got a warrant. Given that he's in remote areas, alone, and the evidence can be dumped overboard or turned loose, that seems reasonable in those circumstances. I realize some of you may disagree and I respect that.

I have a pretty good impression of the game wardens around here. Every one I've ever interacted with has been great to deal with, returned my calls promptly, and acted professionally. Every sport needs a referee on the field. I wouldn't want to be out in the woods hunting without someone to provide some order, protect the herd, and keep the poachers off my land.
 
"I am not a lawyer, but I expect many of the warrantless searches are allowed under the "exigent circumstances" rule; that is, the evidence would be gone by the time the officer went to a magistrate and got a warrant. Given that he's in remote areas, alone, and the evidence can be dumped overboard or turned loose, that seems reasonable in those circumstances."

I'm not a hunter, but the "exigent circumstances" rule could be the most abused clause in the history of law.

While I understand the issue, I don't support any LEO doing warrantless searches based on a hunch at any time, much less wildlife cops.
 
You do realize that those people of which you speak have screwed up so many things in nature that its a wonder there is anything left.

The true conservationists are the land owners.
Without them you'll have no animals or anything to "manage".


Sorry man, but the truth and even my own experience during my lifetime simply does not support you. Wildlife populations across the board are better now than they were in the first half of the 20th century, before the establishment of US Fish and Wildlife Service and the NC Wildlife Resources Commission. I do have at least some education and experience about this. I served a short stint as a Wildlife Enforcement Officer in the mid 80's. Even during my lifetime (I'm now 65) I have seen a marked improvement in the numbers and variation of wildlife I see. The Wildlife commission does not only work to improve game animal populations, they also have a nongame management program as well.
 
Where in the 4th amendment does it say you don’t have to get a warrant? Oh it doesn’t. You have to have a warrant no matter what. Point blank. That is how it is written.
 
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