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A buddy of mine is looking at a 308 Barnes precision rifle. He is trading another rifle for it. He don’t know much about that brand. Are they worth the price? Reliable. He looked online and there are mixed reviews. Good and bad. Any experience with them.
 
Never heard anything bad about Barnes. Buddy of mine knows Andrew, who by all accounts is a stand up dude & company. If I had the $$$, I wouldn’t think twice.

ETA- said buddy has a BP 5.56 patrol carbine, as well as a .300Blk pistol that are nice shooters. Never had a problem with either.
 
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All good stuff. Made right here in Apex NC. I’ve owned one of their .223/5.56 rifles for ten years. I toured Andrew Barnes’ factory with Andrew back when I bought it.
 
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Never heard anything bad about Barnes. Buddy of mine knows Andrew, who by all accounts is a stand up dude & company. If I had the $$$, I wouldn’t think twice.

ETA- said buddy has a BP 5.56 patrol carbine, as well as a .300Blk pistol that are nice shooters. Never had a problem with either.
Awesome thanks.
 
People in the Carolinas (especially central NC) love ‘em … they just aren’t a big name company because they have about all the business they can handle. Andrew and company supply a boat load of law enforcement departments local and across the country along with the civilian market. I was introduced to BPM by Clay at Fuquay Gun back in 2009 so when they started selling just BPM stripped lowers. After that FG&G kinda became the premier BPM stocking dealer … but BPM stuff doesn’t stay on the shelf long there … folks at FG&G love the Barnes stuff and like said above Andrew is local to central NC if you need anything.
 
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The only negative I can come up with is they usually have a heavier barrel profile than some other makes, and tend to be a little heavier.
Mine’s a boat anchor, but my son forbid me to sell it since he figures he’ll get it when I kick off. The .308 is REALLY a boat anchor.

My Barnes 16” carbine weighs 8lbs with a red dot.

My Aero 16” build that is comparably appointed but with a pencil barrel weighs 6lbs
 
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I might have a few Barnes rifles. The only negative I can come up with is they usually have a heavier barrel profile than some other makes, and tend to be a little heavier. If your buddy is a weakling that might be a downside. 😆
Don’t forget the dang barrel nut! That thing is a chunk of steel also BUT it is rock solid and males the handguard just as solid.
 
I might have a few Barnes rifles. The only negative I can come up with is they usually have a heavier barrel profile than some other makes, and tend to be a little heavier. If your buddy is a weakling that might be a downside. 😆
He’s actually thinking of putting a 22-250 barrel on it. If he gets it. He’s a good sized fella.
 
I remember Barnes was good to go when they started. I still have a couple of new bolts around here somewhere, that I won in a drawing. Haven't heard anything negative about them. Actually, was wondering if they were still around. Apparently, so.
 
Barnes is good to go. High quality in my opinion.

Looking for my first rifle back in the day, I called them and the CEO answered the phone and chatted me up for must have been 30 mins or more. If I was buying a manufactured rifle, I'd buy a Barnes, without question.
 
I might have a few Barnes rifles. The only negative I can come up with is they usually have a heavier barrel profile than some other makes, and tend to be a little heavier. If your buddy is a weakling that might be a downside. 😆
They are indeed heavy, but incredibly well built. If I could keep only one of my AR’s, it would be my BPM.
 
I consider them to be a premium brand. I'm surprised to hear of negative reviews; Andrew is a stand up guy.
I think what *might* have happened, if I recall correctly, is when he was shipping faster than he could make them after the panic ensued in early 2020 there may have been some slipping through the cracks that maybe shouldn’t have gotten out the door yet. Or something to that effect.

Plus at some point in recent years I think they offered up a more budget friendly AR offering. I don’t know what those were like.

Ten years ago it cost just under $1200 to get into one of his rifles and I think these newer offerings were hundreds less.
 
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Years ago, I bought one used, and soon discovered that if I held the trigger just right, it would fire two, sometimes three times. I called them, they had me bring it by the factory. Andrew met me at the door and took it to the back.

About 20 minutes later, he brought it back with a new trigger. He said in the early days he bought triggers and a few of them needed replacing. No paperwork or anything, just a handshake and I was out the door. Can’t beat service like that.
 
Years ago, I bought one used, and soon discovered that if I held the trigger just right, it would fire two, sometimes three times. I called them, they had me bring it by the factory. Andrew met me at the door and took it to the back.

About 20 minutes later, he brought it back with a new trigger. He said in the early days he bought triggers and a few of them needed replacing. No paperwork or anything, just a handshake and I was out the door. Can’t beat service like that.
That’s how I got a tour. I broke the buffer retaining pin the first time I stripped and reassembled the rifle (don’t ask how. DOH).
I contacted them and did the same thing. He had me come over, gave me the .50 part and took me on a tour of his shop. Lots of shiny new CNC machines ten years ago.
 
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Two years before retirement, I started switching out all of our rifles with BPM. Wish we could have went with them long time ago. When I first T&E his rifles many years ago. He brought out a SBR with an EoTech (if my memory is correct it was a 10.5”) and at 200 yards I was hitting 8” plates with boring regularity. I personally have several of his rifles in 5.56 and .300 blackout. Never had any issues and like upstream, would be my choice if I could only have just one rifle.
 
Have owned two of the Patrol carbines over the years and really liked them with one caveat…I found them heavy especially after adding a LPVO.

I’ve since moved to assembling my own and picking parts to suit my preferences.

Have a buddy and nephew that still own theirs and still love them.

Based on my sample of 4…they are GTG.
 
I have a couple of stories, which I will bust into a couple of posts, for easier reading…

Barnes makes excellent rifles, no doubt about it! I have the vast majority of well known brand ARs in my personal collection and all of them shoot well… but if SHTF and I could only take one AR, I would grab my Barnes CQB with zero hesitation and not think twice about it.

And that’s that for me…. next story…
 
The first time I went to Barnes to pick up an order…. I remember turning into what appeared to be an old retired school campus. When I called, they mentioned that I needed to drive around back. As I made my way into the drive, I noticed a line of cars waiting out front. I drove past and around back. I knocked on the door and was met by an armorer that was heading out back to test a rifle / upper. I went inside and heard two shots into what I am guessing was a bullet trap out back. At this point, I met Andrew and was able to take a tour of the facility. While we were talking, I asked what was up with the line of cars out front?? Well l, found out the other half of the building was a school for autistic children… safest kids in the country, I tell ya!!!!
 
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After, I bought my Barnes CQB, my buddy and I went out for a little shooting competition, as he had just bought a Colt Competition AR. Long story short, the next day he sold his colt and bought a Barnes CQB. This unfolded during the first major gun buying scare.. fast forward … we decided to install the Magpul STR stocks. They arrived.. mine went on with ease and fitted well and his would not go on at all. Found out, his was a commercial buffer tube, not mil-spec. He called Barnes bad they advised, due to parts shortages, they had used some commercial tubes/stocks to complete rifles and asked him to drop by and they would swap it out for him. He arrived and Andrew grabbed the rifle, popped it open and swapped out the tube and stock…. It was at this point he saw the tragedy of my buddy’s trigger. In an effort to lighten the trigger without changing the trigger (so he could try to out shoot me), he had worked the trigger too much, then tried to add material back… needless to say it was a mess. Andrew asked what happened… my buddy drooped his head in shame and told the story.. Andrew took out the entire trigger assembly and replaced it with a new one, handed the old parts over and said.. “don’t F with my triggers again” and laughed. No charge and my buddy was out the door.
Great customer service!
 
Mine’s a boat anchor, but my son forbid me to sell it since he figures he’ll get it when I kick off. The .308 is REALLY a boat anchor.

My Barnes 16” carbine weighs 8lbs with a red dot.

My Aero 16” build that is comparably appointed but with a pencil barrel weighs 6lbs
Agreed.. the BPM rifles do have some heft for sure. If weight is not a factory, the Barnes 308 would be an excellent choice! If weight is a major factor and the user is planning on walking the woods hunting, I would probably suggest the Ruger SFAR… I was shocked at how much less they weighed in comparison to most other 308 AR platform rifles.
 
The first time I went to Barnes to pick up an order…. I remember turning into what appeared to be an old retired school campus. When I called, they mentioned that I needed to drive around back. As I made my way into the drive, I noticed a line of cars waiting out front. I drove past and around back. I knocked on the door and was met by an armorer that was heading out back to test a rifle / upper. I went inside and heard two shots into what I am guessing was a bullet trap out back. At this point, I met Andrew and was able to take a tour of the facility. While we were talking, I asked what was up with the line of cars out front?? Well l, found out the other half of the building was a school for autistic children… safest kids in the country, I tell ya!!!!
It was a school. It was bought by an internet/web company called EMJI. Owned by a couple of Canadians. In the 90's we had 50ish people in what would now be the manufacturing facility competing in computer gaming. Folks traveled from all over the US to compete. EMJI later moved to Pittsboro. We all considered buying the place..... I love the fact that it is now a firearms manufacturer.

I have spoken to Andrew on numerous occasions but have never actually told him that story. If he would even care.
 
Since my last post I have been reconfiguring my Barnes rifles. I have one complete rifle from Barnes and one Barnes lower built out with a PSA LPK. I have found a couple quality issues between the two of these. A friend has a lower that also seems out of spec. I can't recommend Barnes anymore. Get something that's in spec, from a manufacturer with actual customer service.
 
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Since my last post I have been reconfiguring my Barnes rifles. I have one complete rifle from Barnes and one Barnes lower built out with a PSA LPK. I have found a couple quality issues between the two of these.
I can't recommend Barnes anymore. Get something that's in spec, from a manufacturer with actual customer service.
Sorry to hear about your experience..curious to know what the quality issues were, that you noticed / experienced?
 
Since my last post I have been reconfiguring my Barnes rifles. I have one complete rifle from Barnes and one Barnes lower built out with a PSA LPK. I have found a couple quality issues between the two of these. A friend has a lower that also seems out of spec. I can't recommend Barnes anymore. Get something that's in spec, from a manufacturer with actual customer service.

Maybe it’s you? Your iPhone doesn’t work, your Barnes doesn’t work, your car AC doesn’t work. I am sensing a pattern here. There is one common denominator. 🤣
 
Sorry to hear about your experience..curious to know what the quality issues were, that you noticed / experienced?
First problem: a Barnes lower receiver was tighter than it should have been on many receivers, and did not fit a BCM upper without hammering to install/uninstall. The upper fits on at least 9 lowers that I tried including various brand name and cheap lower receivers, with just a thumb press to install or uninstall. BCM is in spec. The Barnes lower required a hammer and punch to remove from the upper. This is unacceptable. The Barnes was tight on other uppers as well, though not as bad.

Second problem: this particular lower was one of a couple with consecutive serial numbers purchased by a family member and later given to me. Their receiver is also too tight on some uppers, although maybe not quite to the point of needing kinetic maintenance for disassembly. We tested uppers and lowers together for a while. Probably not a coincidence, whatever tooling was out of alignment or worn out that day messed up both lowers.

Third problem: in the complete Barnes rifle I own, the safety has always been very tight and gritty, and doesn't have that snapping into place feel. I thought this was caused by the trigger, but I was reconfiguring ARs, swapped a different trigger in, and still had the problem. The cut for the safety detent is incredibly shallow compared to a PSA safety that works fine. See pictures below. In the barnessafety2 picture the Barnes is on top, in the psasafety2 the PSA is on top. The depth and profile of the detent track is totally different. The stiffness in the Barnes lower it came in was ridiculous.

Fourth problem: I called Barnes and spoke to Andrew Barnes about the lower. He was quite rude. He first told me that since the Barnes could be installed on at least one other upper, the BCM upper must be out of spec, and then told me that the BCM upper was at the far end of the tolerance and that the "fit" was acceptable, despite all other lowers fitting it normally. You can't gaslight me into thinking hammering a lower off is normal. I've owned far too many nice ARs for that.

Fifth problem: in my complete factory Barnes rifle, the buffer can contact and be damaged by the buffer detent, picture attached below. This shouldn't happen. It's not important enough for me to see whether the BCG, upper, or lower is out of spec.

I'm done with Barnes. Too bad, I liked the rails.
Maybe it’s you? Your iPhone doesn’t work, your Barnes doesn’t work, your car AC doesn’t work. I am sensing a pattern here. There is one common denominator. 🤣
Most of my possessions function properly. I don't cause spontaneous malfunctions in everything I touch. Remember, I've shot your guns : )

The more you use your equipment, the more likely you are to find issues. I've started using this rifle for matches, and reconfiguring everything because I now have SBRs, and the issues became obvious. Oh well.

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First problem: a Barnes lower receiver was tighter than it should have been on many receivers, and did not fit a BCM upper without hammering to install/uninstall. The upper fits on at least 9 lowers that I tried including various brand name and cheap lower receivers, with just a thumb press to install or uninstall. BCM is in spec. The Barnes lower required a hammer and punch to remove from the upper. This is unacceptable. The Barnes was tight on other uppers as well, though not as bad.

Second problem: this particular lower was one of a couple with consecutive serial numbers purchased by a family member and later given to me. Their receiver is also too tight on some uppers, although maybe not quite to the point of needing kinetic maintenance for disassembly. We tested uppers and lowers together for a while. Probably not a coincidence, whatever tooling was out of alignment or worn out that day messed up both lowers.

Third problem: in the complete Barnes rifle I own, the safety has always been very tight and gritty, and doesn't have that snapping into place feel. I thought this was caused by the trigger, but I was reconfiguring ARs, swapped a different trigger in, and still had the problem. The cut for the safety detent is incredibly shallow compared to a PSA safety that works fine. See pictures below. In the barnessafety2 picture the Barnes is on top, in the psasafety2 the PSA is on top. The depth and profile of the detent track is totally different. The stiffness in the Barnes lower it came in was ridiculous.

Fourth problem: I called Barnes and spoke to Andrew Barnes about the lower. He was quite rude. He first told me that since the Barnes could be installed on at least one other upper, the BCM upper must be out of spec, and then told me that the BCM upper was at the far end of the tolerance and that the "fit" was acceptable, despite all other lowers fitting it normally. You can't gaslight me into thinking hammering a lower off is normal. I've owned far too many nice ARs for that.

Fifth problem: in my complete factory Barnes rifle, the buffer can contact and be damaged by the buffer detent, picture attached below. This shouldn't happen. It's not important enough for me to see whether the BCG, upper, or lower is out of spec.

I'm done with Barnes. Too bad, I liked the rails.

Most of my possessions function properly. My car AC doesn't work because it had an encounter with a tree, and I never fixed the AC afterwards when I replaced everything else. Not the car's fault. No vehicle I've had has ever stranded me or needed a major drivetrain repair. My other modern centerfire rifles and handguns have been mostly excellent. I've had exactly zero appliances need replacement(some maintenance required) since I bought a house. My iPhone is unusual, something is wrong with it. I don't cause spontaneous malfunctions in everything I touch. Remember, I've shot your guns : )

The more you use your equipment, the more likely you are to find issues. I've started using this rifle for matches, and reconfiguring everything because I now have SBRs, and the issues became obvious. Oh well.

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Relax I was just messing with you. I’ve been lucky. I’ve only had issues with 9mm 1911’s.
 
Fifth problem: in my complete factory Barnes rifle, the buffer can contact and be damaged by the buffer detent, picture attached below. This shouldn't happen. It's not important enough for me to see whether the BCG, upper, or lower is out of spec.

Can you expand on this issue? I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.
 
Can you expand on this issue? I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.
There are three dents in the buffer, one is at 9:00 in the picture and the other two are at 2:00. I think that these are caused by the buffer moving too far forwards while returning into battery after firing and hitting the buffer retainer pin in the lower. This shouldn't happen, the BCG should be long enough and the upper and lower receiver short enough that the buffer stops moving on the back of the BCG when it is in the battery, before it hits the buffer retainer pin.

There are products to prevent an out of spec gun from damaging the buffer or buffer retainer/channel further, like this, so it's probably a common issue for out of spec ARs.
 
This shouldn't happen, the BCG should be long enough and the upper and lower receiver short enough that the buffer stops moving on the back of the BCG when it is in the battery, before it hits the buffer retainer pin.
Not sure where the marks on the buffet came from. However, you are incorrect about how the bolt interfaces with the buffer. It the bolt was long enough to push the buffer off the buffer retaining pin, you would not be able to close the upper receiver on the lower.
 
Not sure where the marks on the buffet came from. However, you are incorrect about how the bolt interfaces with the buffer. It the bolt was long enough to push the buffer off the buffer retaining pin, you would not be able to close the upper receiver on the lower.
As I close my AR15 upper on its lower, I can watch the rear of the BCG push the buffer off of the retaining pin. Try it. In an assembled AR15 the buffer should never touch the buffer retaining pin.
 
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