Not saying you are wrong, just curious what leads you to this conclusion. Also, if the date of possession/ownership is a factor, I would think the date would be prior to January 31, the date the ruling was published to the Federal Register.
You are right, it is the 31st. But I am pretty sure you can’t just buy one now and get the free stamp. I’m sure someone will come in and comment with more knowledge soon.
Capiche! 😂
This is a whole other discussion. My LGS is telling me that they have been told not to sell AR pistols with attached braces. And most all of the online vendors have stopped selling brace-equipped pistols. But wouldn't they be able to legally continue doing so until the end of the compliance period? As I understand it, if you currently own a braced weapon, you have until May 31 to comply. So you could leave the brace on the weapon and do nothing until May 30 if you so chose. Again, just thinking out loud.
I could see this as a possibility if they somehow discovered that you had registered a rifle lower as an SBR under this program. I would imagine that constitutes some sort of fraud at the very least. But if they discovered that you purchased a pistol after the ruling and registered it during the grace period, I'm not sure what they could do about it. It wouldn't constitute an NFA violation.
I guess that makes sense. It's just odd that I can't go out and buy one right now. But if I already owned one, I could keep it in that configuration until May 31. Not saying you're wrong...I think you're right. It's just odd.
If you think about it, it’s not that odd. They made a rule change instantly turning pistols into SBRs over night. If they included the ones in people’s possession, those people would have became felons over night. No court in the US would have allowed that to happen and would have most likely ended in some case law supporting the 2A and not .gov overreach.
Understood but I wasn't talking about buying a braced SBR. I was talking about buying a non-braced pistol. A pistol lower without a brace is still just a pistol, correct? And could remain so indefinitely.
Clearly, you should abstain from making assumptions about the intent and/or desires of others. I have no interest in your assumptions or direction. I am interested in doing what benefits me the most while staying on the right side of the ATF/NFA. I posted seeking factual information with evidence to support it. I did not come seeking unsupported opinion.
This would seem to be the answer to my question. May I confirm...you know this because you have completed form 1 to register a braced weapon as an SBR since the ruling was published? Asking the date of purchase does not mean anything but asking if the gun was owned prior to January 31 makes the answer very clear.
Thank you sir. Exactly what I was looking for...facts rather than opinion or unsupported "permission". I am still a little curious about the language that states that the fee waiver only applies to firearms owned before the ruling. But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't seem to matter. I can think of no other reason why they would ask if the firearm was owned before January 31 other than to determine whether you owe them $200 or not.
Doesn't get any clearer than that. Thank you again. My dealing with ATF regulations and interpretations is pretty limited but this situation seems to fit their M.O. of "let's publish something that leaves more questions than answers and force you to dig for specifics."
How about lemme post something that offers absolutely nothing of value to the conversation?
Apologies if my conclusion was incorrect, but it is difficult to conceive of the existence of someone with your specific interest that is so ignorant on the topic. There are several threads here and on every gun forum on the internet, the obvious explanation is that you are willfully ignorant or pretending to be. Moreover you seem inclined to encourage others to intimate that they may be ignoring the law while reiterating that you have no intention to do so. This is not conclusive of course, I just find it curious and unlikely.
I do have a specific interest but that's all it is at this point. I own no NFA items and have no firsthand knowledge of the processes. Accordingly, I am indeed largely ignorant on the topic. But in my defense, it is not as if the laws and procedures are exactly simple or easy to comprehend. Not to mention, the one very specific question that I came here to ask is new ground to everyone. Yes, there are tons of threads and info on this specific topic and while I had found the same question in my searching, I had yet to find a real answer. To stress the level of misinformation, misunderstanding, and misconceptions, even my LGS gave me a different answer than what I received here.
I tried to let it die. Even recommend that it be locked after achieving its purpose. But alas...
According to above, it does.
Oh crap!!!!!!! Please delete my above post. I was never here, you did not see that.
