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Government places there is more of a penalty (courthouses, the secured area of a police station, post office, etc). Private businesses, you can only be trespassed if you are asked to leave and then don't comply.

I am not advocating breaking the law in any way. However, if I just shot another person, in public, and was in fear for my life, then I would probably have that as the last thing on my mind. A lawyer might try to say it was premeditated and you were reckless or whatever bullshit. I would have to see some precedent on that (I am sure that depends on the county).

But in reality, if the worse thing I got slapped with out of a self-defense shooting was an infraction, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
 
S&Wtinkerer said:
Government places there is more of a penalty (courthouses, the secured area of a police station, post office, etc). Private businesses, you can only be trespassed if you are asked to leave and then don't comply.

I am not advocating breaking the law in any way. However, if I just shot another person, in public, and was in fear for my life, then I would probably have that as the last thing on my mind. A lawyer might try to say it was premeditated and you were reckless or whatever bullshit. I would have to see some precedent on that (I am sure that depends on the county).

But in reality, if the worse thing I got slapped with out of a self-defense shooting was an infraction, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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This is definitely food for thought. Take for instance the guy in VA that shot someone in self defense recently and was trialed and proven not guilty for the act of shooting another person but was charged with discharging a firearm in an occupied building and is as far as I know still sitting in jail. USCCA left this guy hung out to dry as the guy has USCCA coverage.
www.loudoun.gov

Jury Convicts Alan Colie of Discharging a Firearm Within an Occupied Building

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Yep, and now, enough people are cancelling subscriptions that the USCCA released a video in which they try to imply that they didn't hang Alan out to dry by saying they are funding his appeal lawyers (...after they hung him out to dry!).
 
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DrScaryGuy said:
federal law lists the entire building, but current law includes the parking lot. If it's a large strip mall type place, technically the entire lot is off limits. So if you are already doing one felony just by going to the dollar store or getting groceries...

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I am not a lawyer and do not play one on TV, but I thought your vehicle was considered to be an extension of your residence. I can see not walking around near a PO with a firearm, but having one in your vehicle seems as if it would be treated differently. I have been wrong before and will undoubtedly be wrong again. I assume it is about the same as with schools. Evidently you can now have one secured in your vehicle but cannot carry one around campus on your person.
 
Charlie said:
I am not a lawyer and do not play one on TV, but I thought your vehicle was considered to be an extension of your residence. I can see not walking around near a PO with a firearm, but having one in your vehicle seems as if it would be treated differently. I have been wrong before and will undoubtedly be wrong again. I assume it is about the same as with schools. Evidently you can now have one secured in your vehicle but cannot carry one around campus on your person.
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I gave you a link to what the courts have recently decided, whether it's in law or not (and in this case it seems unclear if it's in the law or not).
In the unlikely event that you get caught, do you expect the government to care what the law says?
That's an honest question, but a rhetorical one. the laws have so many twists and turns and caveats... I already know it's no fun being hung up in court because they want to get you on 'something'. you need good lawyers, lots of time, and probably anti-anxiety meds.

All i can i say is that if you're going to do it, don't get caught. if you get stopped, don't talk to the police. don't resist, but don't cooperate. the more you frustrate them the more chances they screw something up and give you a chance at a get-out-of-jail-free card. I cooperated once, only once, because i knew i did nothing wrong according to the law. 10 months and 4 court appearances later, the court acknowledged i did nothing wrong.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
All i can i say is that if you're going to do it, don't get caught. if you get stopped, don't talk to the police. don't resist, but don't cooperate. the more you frustrate them the more chances they screw something up and give you a chance at a get-out-of-jail-free card. I cooperated once, only once, because i knew i did nothing wrong according to the law. 10 months and 4 court appearances later, the court acknowledged i did nothing wrong.
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I Would like to hear that story sometime.
 
Bigdave0924 said:
This is definitely food for thought. Take for instance the guy in VA that shot someone in self defense recently and was trialed and proven not guilty for the act of shooting another person but was charged with discharging a firearm in an occupied building and is as far as I know still sitting in jail. USCCA left this guy hung out to dry as the guy has USCCA coverage.
www.loudoun.gov

Jury Convicts Alan Colie of Discharging a Firearm Within an Occupied Building

Lead in here
www.loudoun.gov www.loudoun.gov
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How did USCCA hang him out to dry? Did they not defend him at trial?
 
MostWanted said:
GRNC almost had private property taken completely out several years ago. It would have been like ā€œno shirt, no serviceā€, and if you didnā€™t leave, it would be Tresapss after Warning, but not a gun charge. Then the NC Retail Merchantā€™s Association sent their lobbyists to Raleigh, and so the compromise was to make it a $500 ticket with no impact on keeping your permit.
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Sounds like the joke is on the Retail Merchant's Association, because they spent their money lobbying against this only for many of our friends to do what they want anyway.
 
Carlos Danger said:
How did USCCA hang him out to dry? Did they not defend him at trial?
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It is my understanding that when you sign up for USCCA in the fine print it states something to the effect that if you break any other laws during the shooting they wonā€™t cover you and you wasted your money paying them. Do your own research to form your own opinion.
 
Bigdave0924 said:
It is my understanding that when you sign up for USCCA in the fine print it states something to the effect that if you break any other laws during the shooting they wonā€™t cover you and you wasted your money paying them. Do your own research to form your own opinion.
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So did they defend him at his trial or not? If they didn't, then of course I'd be curious as to why. If they did, then I don't understand how you could say that they "hung him out to dry". Just trying to clarify what you meant.
 
Carlos Danger said:
So did they defend him at his trial or not? If they didn't, then of course I'd be curious as to why. If they did, then I don't understand how you could say that they "hung him out to dry". Just trying to clarify what you meant.
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from my understanding USCCA has not helped him
 
DrScaryGuy said:
federal law lists the entire building, but current law includes the parking lot. If it's a large strip mall type place, technically the entire lot is off limits. So if you are already doing one felony just by going to the dollar store or getting groceries...

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This might be enforceable IF the PO owned the whole strip mall. Since the probably don't, their "jusisdiction" would probably extend only to the front door (the property they actually lease).

This became a similar deal when they instituted a "no smoking on company property" rule at work. Someone pointed out that since the property was leased and the parking lot shared, the company did not own or exclusively lease the parking lot.

This made sense as what if the OTHER company in the leased property allowed smoking in the parking lot.
 
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Chihuahua Floyd said:
Last time I was in the post office, two people in line were carrying that I saw, one half concealed, one open carry.
Nobody gave a crud.
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I canā€™t imagine them caring in our local post office. Iā€™d also be surprised in less than half the customers were carrying.
 
1911gobang said:
Dittoā€¦.
Bank is the same way. Perks of living in the countryā€¦.
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That very well may be true, but there is nothing that will ever get your attention like the Bank Teller lowering her voice and politely saying, "Sir you have a gun on your hip".

Ahh yes! Blood coursing thru my veins! Adrenaline! Excitement! I FEEL ALIVE!

And I think I may have pooped a little too.
 
Fun side note. I read a thing a while back about how AI is being used to make surveillance cameras that can somehow "see" when someone has a concealed weapon. I have no idea how that works. I'll dig around and see if I can find an article.

Anyway, when I read it (or maybe heard it on the radio?) I thought about this exact topic. What happens when that guy you know who has his holster hidden and isn't bothering anyone walks past a sign he didn't see and the All Knowing Eye in the Sky sees him break a rule? Will it get that bad? Will they prosecute alllll those guys? Will we all start carrying teeny tiny little mouse guns to slip past the robot surveillance? I don't know.
 
Anyone have a refresher on SC law? Apparently headed to Tanger for daughters b-day. I know it has to be prominent but otherwise forget penalty etc.
 
Jlwilliams said:
Fun side note. I read a thing a while back about how AI is being used to make surveillance cameras that can somehow "see" when someone has a concealed weapon. I have no idea how that works. I'll dig around and see if I can find an article.

Anyway, when I read it (or maybe heard it on the radio?) I thought about this exact topic. What happens when that guy you know who has his holster hidden and isn't bothering anyone walks past a sign he didn't see and the All Knowing Eye in the Sky sees him break a rule? Will it get that bad? Will they prosecute alllll those guys? Will we all start carrying teeny tiny little mouse guns to slip past the robot surveillance? I don't know.
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Good point! I would say, YES... now and days they will prosecute because the person carrying concealed with a permit is an upstanding citizen, passed background checks and generally is who you want as a concealed carry holder. --- So, yeah bend over; since 2015 it just seems that they are after anything that can get us Law-abiding Citizens in the system for an "infraction". Just say you are an illegal and they will just confiscate the gun. (that's a joke)

Keeping with the fun side, I am filling out my Renewal form.... I didn't notice or forgot they added another field "Other Physical Description" šŸ¤£

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Random quasi relatedā€¦ anyone get stopped carrying but forgot your wallet etc? Iā€™d think you just switch to open carry if you can but curious the response from LEO.
 
Mathieu18 said:
Random quasi relatedā€¦ anyone get stopped carrying but forgot your wallet etc? Iā€™d think you just switch to open carry if you can but curious the response from LEO.
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I'd say to notify just like you would if concealed (even though ironically you don't have a strict duty to if open carrying) and explain you went to open carry when you realized you didn't have the ID, CHP, etc, and you *should* be okay... Of course that's just my opinion...might not be the same as Officer Random or Trooper Thatguy
 
Mathieu18 said:
Random quasi relatedā€¦ anyone get stopped carrying but forgot your wallet etc? Iā€™d think you just switch to open carry if you can but curious the response from LEO.
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I got pulled over several years ago, notified HP that I was carrying, then discovered I had left my wallet at home. Got my speeding ticket along with the mandatory appearance ticket for not having my license. No mention of CHP during our interaction.
 
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