CCW Status Linked to License Plate Number?

Searches and whatnot:

I'm not in the habit of debating/correcting people in venues where it's not going to do me any good.

On a practical matter, doing this on the side of the road with someone who is armed and nominally has the strong arm of the law on their side just isn't smart. If nothing else, it complicates matters and if you want to come out ahead much easier down the road you need to minimize the complications.

Clearly denying consent to search is the tool you have at your disposal. Use it.

What the officer decides to do at that point is beyond your control. Accept that and apply the other tool at your disposal, namely your right to remain silent, and keep your yap shut.

If you argue or otherwise attempt to "correct" the officer, human nature says all you're likely to accomplish is to further polarize him in his actions.

It will also give the LEO additional things to charge you with. AND, if it turns out you're right on some things, it'll cue the LEO in on how to manipulate things to his advantage better. And I just LOVE giving people all the rope they need to hang themselves.

Shut your mouth and let the LEO continue to screw everything up if he wants to. When you are in the right, there's nothing like being in front of the deciding authority in a controlled venue (like a judge in a courtroom) where your attorney can actually cite statutes and regulations verbatim and point out how they were violated.

It's the legal version of what I deal with in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program:

"Contrary to (procedure), Ship's Force failed to (insert action)."
 
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Big Dave.
Personally, I think you have done a great job of trying to explain. Chief, good advice. I’m an old school pro gun State Trooper that retired in 2006 after 30 years in Florida. We had very user friendly gun laws in the state.
But the subject still had many what if question that could drive you nuts trying to explain.
Good informative thread.
 
And just how do you plan to stop a cop that is intent on searching your car?
1) u let him/her know that they have no legal basis for searching

2) u let him/her know that any search will be illegal, and no matter WHAT you might have in the car, it will be thrown out because "I do not consent to any searches"

3) if they are still intent on searching let them know (graciously) that they may be funding your retirement with their pension, since you will be seeking damages which will be OUTSIDE their qualified immunity, should they go ahead with this illegal and unjustified search. Smile and ask them if they are sure they want to illegally search.

4) roll up windows, lock doors, refuse to comply with directives to get out, and ignore statements that "you are under arrest" unless they have some lawful reason to arrest you (other than complying with their illegal orders

5) demand a supervisor on scene

If they are stupid enough to move forward after all this, then just thank them for funding your retirement and sit and wait.

It may not "stop" them, but it will add color to your life, and zeroes to the end of your bank balance.
 
I talked to a CMPD cop today and he said unequivocally your CHP is linked to your license plate (registered owner). When he runs your tag it will identify as a CHP holder or not.
I think the direction here was more about does a cop in SC or WA get the same info when he runs the plate. I believe that was what the OP was most concerned about.
 
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1) u let him/her know that they have no legal basis for searching

2) u let him/her know that any search will be illegal, and no matter WHAT you might have in the car, it will be thrown out because "I do not consent to any searches"

3) if they are still intent on searching let them know (graciously) that they may be funding your retirement with their pension, since you will be seeking damages which will be OUTSIDE their qualified immunity, should they go ahead with this illegal and unjustified search. Smile and ask them if they are sure they want to illegally search.

4) roll up windows, lock doors, refuse to comply with directives to get out, and ignore statements that "you are under arrest" unless they have some lawful reason to arrest you (other than complying with their illegal orders

5) demand a supervisor on scene

If they are stupid enough to move forward after all this, then just thank them for funding your retirement and sit and wait.

It may not "stop" them, but it will add color to your life, and zeroes to the end of your bank balance.
LOL said high to being arrested and charged with resisting and delaying a LEO and what ever else he can think of. And while you might beat the the charges you are still out the money for a lawyer, missed timed from work and tow charges for your car you will still have nothing.
 
I talked to a CMPD cop today and he said unequivocally your CHP is linked to your license plate (registered owner). When he runs your tag it will identify as a CHP holder or not.
Did he say by chance what system they use? NC has a program called CJ LEADS, that LEOs use to run information. I’m not sure if the CHP is linked with the registration in that system. Gonna make some calls tomorrow to find out.
 
Did he say by chance what system they use? NC has a program called CJ LEADS, that LEOs use to run information. I’m not sure if the CHP is linked with the registration in that system. Gonna make some calls tomorrow to find out.
He did and I can’t remember. He said whatever it is, not all cities in NC use it.
 
He did and I can’t remember. He said whatever it is, not all cities in NC use it.
I bet they are using CJ LEADS. Like I said I’m not sure if it provides CHP info when you run a tag. I’ll have to check into it.
 
LOL said high to being arrested and charged with resisting and delaying a LEO and what ever else he can think of. And while you might beat the the charges you are still out the money for a lawyer, missed timed from work and tow charges for your car you will still have nothing.
actually, there is a vid posted of a guy who did PRECISELY that, and a) supervisor told the grunt the operator was correct b) there is a lawsuit c) lawsuits like that cost you no money, when you are pursuing damages, it is on a contingency, not an hourly fee basis. in short, you are wrong.
 
I talked to a CMPD cop today and he said unequivocally your CHP is linked to your license plate (registered owner). When he runs your tag it will identify as a CHP holder or not.
Hmmm makes me wonder:
My wife's car is titled and registered in her name only.
I have a CHP, she does not.
Is HER tag flagged in the system? I have to assume it is.
 
On a similar note, maybe @Average Joe can comment on this. I have read / heard that there is also a system or database that gives a red / yellow / green indication when an ID is run that is supposed to represent how likely this individual is to be a danger to the cops. Is this true or internet BS?
 
On a similar note, maybe @Average Joe can comment on this. I have read / heard that there is also a system or database that gives a red / yellow / green indication when an ID is run that is supposed to represent how likely this individual is to be a danger to the cops. Is this true or internet BS?

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Hmmm makes me wonder:
My wife's car is titled and registered in her name only.
I have a CHP, she does not.
Is HER tag flagged in the system? I have to assume it is.
If I plug that in the reason-a-tor machine, I get an answer of "no, it will not flag." Unless in some deep dark devious closet they've got a machine that links our CHP to all known associates/family members.
 
On a similar note, maybe @Average Joe can comment on this. I have read / heard that there is also a system or database that gives a red / yellow / green indication when an ID is run that is supposed to represent how likely this individual is to be a danger to the cops. Is this true or internet BS?
Duh, they made a movie about this. Sorta.


Retired. Extremely Dangerous.
 
On a similar note, maybe @Average Joe can comment on this. I have read / heard that there is also a system or database that gives a red / yellow / green indication when an ID is run that is supposed to represent how likely this individual is to be a danger to the cops. Is this true or internet BS?
No and yes. For DL and Vehicle registrations, no. Some agencies CAD (computer aided dispatch) systems allow notes to be added so when a call is dispatched the notes will automatically pop up. But they are not state or nation wide searchable. Only available to the agency that added the notes.
 
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