CCW Status Linked to License Plate Number?

Carlos Danger said:
Not really sure what you are getting at here. I explained in my original post exactly what I don't like about this and why.
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My point was that you’re guessing about how things happen, which we all do; find out if your guesses are right.
In state you DL is linked to your CHP, but not your registration. As explained above, they can click through and see if the registered owner has a CHP, or they can not do that and when they ask for your license you’ll tell them and/or they’ll see it in the computer.

I wouldn’t be surprised if LEOs in other states have access to the same info, they run the plate, get the registered owner, and can click through to see what the NCDMV has on file for the owner. But I don’t know. If I was anxious about it, I’d ask and get an answer.

I do wish that the CHP would go away, but that wouldn’t solve the problem with LEOs in other states. In states with constitutional carry many folks still get a permit, they do it to trigger the reciprocity rules in other states. I don’t know that NY recognizes any states permits, but if a Texan wanted to carry concealed in NC they could legally with a TX permit, but not if they carry without one.
 
Opinions on this situation. You and your wife are tooling down the highway and are pulled over. The vehicle is registered in your wife's name only, which she is operating. Officer is dealing with wife about why she was pulled over, no conversation with you. She does not have a CHP. Do you have the duty to inform the officer that you have a CHP and you are carrying since business is between your wife and officer?
 
Tatershooter said:
Opinions on this situation. You and your wife are tooling down the highway and are pulled over. The vehicle is registered in your wife's name only, which she is operating. Officer is dealing with wife about why she was pulled over, no conversation with you. She does not have a CHP. Do you have the duty to inform the officer that you have a CHP and you are carrying since business is between your wife and officer?
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My opinion, registration doesn’t matter, if the LEO doesn’t address me then it’d be rude to interrupt them.
 
Rob said:
2010, I was in a car accident. At initial contact with LEO, he asked if my pistol was on me or in the vehicle.
Not only had firearms not been discussed, i had not had a current CCW permit in ~6 years.
But apparently there was still a note of it connected with my tags.
LE has more info than they need.
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Government is as incompetent at database management as it is everything else they attempt.
 
Tatershooter said:
Do you have the duty to inform the officer that you have a CHP and you are carrying since business is between your wife and officer?
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Generally, no. As you are not the operator of the vehicle you aren’t having an official interaction. If both of you had your carry permit and were carrying, only the driver has a duty to inform.
 
P01135809 said:
You can get non-resident permit from Arizona or New Hampshire instead of an NC CHP if it is super important for you to have NC po po not know
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I thought that either states stopped issuing to out of state folks or that NC stopped recognizing out of state permits for NC residents.
 
scmoose said:
Was just told by a RPD officer that it isn't the tag directly that shows CHP permit. When they run a tag, it shows the DL ID of the registered owner, they then run the DL ID and that will show if the person is a CHP holder. Also asked a South Carolina Deputy the same question, he said a tag will not show if the owner has a CHP, but didn't ask him if a DL ID would. Now all my cop buddies think I'm in some sort of trouble with all these random questions.
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This is the case...I was scrolling to see if anyone had the correct answer.
 
I have a millisecond of alarm/alert when I'm told (although in fairness I don't do many vehicle stops at all anymore) but then logic kicks in and I remember that I carried a gun before I was in LE and will after I'm out of LE, and as stated, anybody who jumps through the hoops of getting the CHP is not planning on any criminal activity for the most part, and I'm okay with it. In some cases (if I felt the "mood" of the moment allowed it) I've said stuff to lighten the atmosphere like "Good-everyone should be!" or even ask what they're carrying if it's not a tense moment. I told a guy once that told me he had a Taurus 9mm "Well...maybe you can trade up soon and do better". :cool: He took it well too.

CHP holders are almost never an issue for us, but maybe it's our outlook in the South (?) I can't recall ever arresting or charging a CHP holder for a gun related issue...the few I know of in my area were all involving alcohol consumption while carrying.
 
Big Dave said:
I have a millisecond of alarm/alert when I'm told (although in fairness I don't do many vehicle stops at all anymore) but then logic kicks in and I remember that I carried a gun before I was in LE and will after I'm out of LE, and as stated, anybody who jumps through the hoops of getting the CHP is not planning on any criminal activity for the most part, and I'm okay with it. In some cases (if I felt the "mood" of the moment allowed it) I've said stuff to lighten the atmosphere like "Good-everyone should be!" or even ask what they're carrying if it's not a tense moment. I told a guy once that told me he had a Taurus 9mm "Well...maybe you can trade up soon and do better". :cool: He took it well too.

CHP holders are almost never an issue for us, but maybe it's our outlook in the South (?) I can't recall ever arresting or charging a CHP holder for a gun related issue...the few I know of in my area were all involving alcohol consumption while carrying.
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I would get going on about their gun or guns we wanted, etc that most of the time I’d end up just tell them to just go on lol. Unless it was something really serious like a DWI.

Good point about being in the southern states. I’ve taught classes across the US and you are right, we have a different disposition about firearms.
 
P01135809 said:
NC honors all permits

AZ doesn’t actually require you to be an AZ resident, so it’s really just an AZ permit
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The NC statute says ”A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.” But I’m sure that somewhere I saw folks saying that it was interpreted as ‘A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state [to a resident of that state] is valid in North Carolina.’

But, I can’t find support for that belief; I may just be wrong.
 
GymB said:
The NC statute says ”A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.” But I’m sure that somewhere I saw folks saying that it was interpreted as ‘A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state [to a resident of that state] is valid in North Carolina.’

But, I can’t find support for that belief; I may just be wrong.
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I wouldn’t want to be the test case, but I suspect that may be a case of the letter of the law versus the intent.
 
scmoose said:
Now all my cop buddies think I'm in some sort of trouble with all these random questions.
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Did you tell them you were asking for a friend?


Tatershooter said:
Opinions on this situation. You and your wife are tooling down the highway and are pulled over. The vehicle is registered in your wife's name only, which she is operating. Officer is dealing with wife about why she was pulled over, no conversation with you. She does not have a CHP. Do you have the duty to inform the officer that you have a CHP and you are carrying since business is between your wife and officer?
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I believe if you are not being directly addresses by the officer, you are not compelled to inform. Just, thought of a funny scenario. Officer pulls over a carload of people, "OK, everyone carrying a gun, raise your hand." "OK, how many of you have permits?" OK how many of you are felons?"

Overall, my experiences have been good. One officer pulled me while driving my father-in-law's truck with an expired tag. I informed I was CCW and handed over my permit with my license. They were like, "Uh, ok." Like they weren't sure what to do. They were gone for a long time, back at the patrol car and I got a warning on the tag. Another, time, after I informed, the officer just shined his light down on my hip, were i told him it was and then went about his business. No disarming or further discussion about the gun. Another time, while giving an officer info about a crime, he said, "Just don't go reaching for it.", while continuing his paperwork. I think the comment about being a permitted CCW actually kinda labels you as a good guy is valid. At least here, not Maryland or New Jersey for sure.

How perversely happy I was when going to visit my son in DC, that my rental had Massachusetts tags.
 
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georgel said:
I think the comment about being a permitted CCW actually kinda labels you as a good guy is valid. At least here, not Maryland or New Jersey for sure.
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Years ago, back when we routinely traveled to and from Ohio to visit family,we got pulled. Oh is one of the 10 notify states as I did. I forget the exact encounter, but the 2A portion is he asked where it was located and I said, “in this door pocket” he replied, if you don’t go for yours, I won’t go for mine and we’ll be just fine, and I got a warning. Haven’t been to OH since.

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in that particular case, I suspect he was impressed that an out of state CHP holder took the time to know the laws of the other states they were visiting to know that Oh Was one of the few notify states. Talk about sign that you’re normally “law abiding”. I also noticed a young female in the passenger seat whip out a camera with a big lense, which made me wonder about some sort of ride along.

In case anyone is interested, I had the set just above the legal speed and kept mostly to the right, except when passing. He said something about passing other vehicles as to the reason for the stop. Seemed pretty odd to me as the CC was set for not that much over.
 
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noway2 said:
Years ago, back when we routinely traveled to and from Ohio to visit family,we got pulled. Oh is one of the 10 notify states as I did. I forget the exact encounter, but the 2A portion is he asked where it was located and I said, “in this door pocket” he replied, if you don’t go for yours, I won’t go for mine and we’ll be just fine, and I got a warning. Haven’t been to OH since.

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in that particular case, I suspect he was impressed that an out of state CHP holder took the time to know the laws of the other states they were visiting to know that Oh Was one of the few notify states. Talk about sign that you’re normally “law abiding”. I also noticed a young female in the passenger seat whip out a camera with a big lense, which made me wonder about some sort of ride along.

In case anyone is interested, I had the set just above the legal speed and kept mostly to the right, except when passing. He said something about passing other vehicles as to the reason for the stop. Seemed pretty odd to me as the CC was set for not that much over.
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Sounds like he was just doing a routine, non-confrontational stop for a good photo op. Like those old reels out of the '60's. "Here we have Officer Do-Right reminding a friendly citizen not to speed."
 
GymB said:
The NC statute says ”A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.” But I’m sure that somewhere I saw folks saying that it was interpreted as ‘A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state [to a resident of that state] is valid in North Carolina.’

But, I can’t find support for that belief; I may just be wrong.
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We’ve had some folks on here chase this in the NC DOJ etc and they have confirmed that NC honors all permits and an NC resident can carry w any valid permit. Even if they don’t have an NC CHP. This has primarily come up when an NC resident that is under 21 is looking to get a permit to carry concealed.

Their were still folks on here that didn’t like the answer. It seems like a rare thing that might never happen, but it seems well within the letter of the law and at least some folks have gotten confirmation on it.

Just pointing out a potential loophole if someone really wants to deny LEO the ability to see that have a CHP from their car…even though they stick have duty to inform in an interaction. Seems like it would be a stupid waste of time to do it for that reason IMHO
 
Toprudder said:
I can see your point. I believe there are some law enforcement that KNOW the CCW holders are not the problem. It might actually put them at ease knowing the person they just pulled over has a CCW.

@1075tech has a valid point. It doesn't mean the driver has a CCW - or a gun.
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I have had that experience personally. In my encounters they really did relax once they knew.
 
GymB said:
The NC statute says ”A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.” But I’m sure that somewhere I saw folks saying that it was interpreted as ‘A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state [to a resident of that state] is valid in North Carolina.’

But, I can’t find support for that belief; I may just be wrong.
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We have debated this before, NC honors all other permits. Also if the statute does not explicitly list what's not valid then it's valid, not the other way round. I carried for 5 years with a UT non res permit.
 
noway2 said:
I wouldn’t want to be the test case, but I suspect that may be a case of the letter of the law versus the intent.
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P01135809 said:
We’ve had some folks on here chase this in the NC DOJ etc and they have confirmed that NC honors all permits and an NC resident can carry w any valid permit. Even if they don’t have an NC CHP. This has primarily come up when an NC resident that is under 21 is looking to get a permit to carry concealed.

Their were still folks on here that didn’t like the answer. It seems like a rare thing that might never happen, but it seems well within the letter of the law and at least some folks have gotten confirmation on it.

Just pointing out a potential loophole if someone really wants to deny LEO the ability to see that have a CHP from their car…even though they stick have duty to inform in an interaction. Seems like it would be a stupid waste of time to do it for that reason IMHO
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Stogies said:
We have debated this before, NC honors all other permits. Also if the statute does not explicitly list what's not valid then it's valid, not the other way round. I carried for 5 years with a UT non res permit.
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So did a little digging, and wasn’t surprised to find that the confusion originates with the AG’s office.
At

Concealed Handguns Reciprocity

master page
ncdoj.gov ncdoj.gov
the AG says “Effective December 1, 2011, North Carolina automatically recognizes concealed carry permits issued in any other state. Out-of-state permit holders should familiarize themselves with North Carolina’s laws.” While the first sentence correctly states the law, the construction of the second is such that he’s addressing out-of-state permit holders, ie out-of-state people, rather than holders of out-of-state permits. It seems a small thing, but I think it’s intentional.

Earlier at the same page he states “Please see North Carolina Firearms Laws for a list of “Do’s and Don’ts” for carrying a concealed handgun in North Carolina. This information is designed as a reference guide only and should not be relied upon as legal advice.” That link takes you to which is a document produced by the attorney for the NC Sheriff’s Association. In this 2018 document he states:
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And again we see a strong implication that the out-of-state permit is associated with a permittee from out-of-state.

Nevertheless, neither of these are the law, which simply states that all permits are honored, so I see no reason not to get an AZ permit instead of a NC permit if someone is so inclined.
 
noway2 said:
I wouldn’t want to be the test case, but I suspect that may be a case of the letter of the law versus the intent.
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Agreed, and if one took it to court, the "letter" should win. Shouldn't have to go to court for it to end up that way but it's the world we live in.
 
In the states that are known for being anti-gun, I wonder just how many of the LEO in those states are also anti-gun. Politicians and LEO are two different things, and it seems to me that the LEO in general don't have much love for the leftist politicians.
 
86 year old daily driver. YOM plates...not required by NC to link to the Issue plate . Issue plate in glove box.

Automatic tollways are free.
Camera actions are dead at the office.
Remember to announce NC carry if stopped.
Life is good in an old car.

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Sharps40 said:
86 year old daily driver. YOM plates...not required by NC to link to the Issue plate . Issue plate in glove box.

Automatic tollways are free.
Camera actions are dead at the office.
Remember to announce NC carry if stopped.
Life is good in an old car.

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Good to know, what make and year is that ?
 
I have had good outcomes each time I had to show my ID typically random check points. I had hit a deer in the company car and had two State Troupers dispatched. Acted like they were pissed they were called out but company car had to get a report. When I informed them both the Wife and I had CCW but only I was carrying. The one officer riding went and looked at the deer as if to examine if I had shot it. I think of it this way. If you tell them you have a permit and they know you have a pistol they are less likely to get anxious when they happen to see a firearm on your or in the car.
 
What happens if I get pulled over and don’t declare that I have a weapon in the car. The officer runs my DL and notice that I have a CCW, does that give him probable cause to search my car?
 
I'll qualify this with "pending any court cases/case law" but I wouldn't think so in NC. Up north, it might be different where the gun itself might be illegal to begin with(?) Even still, I'd think that was pushing it. Here, and I'd hope in other states in my scenario I'd think ("hope") they would just ask you about it, and ask for consent to search if they intended to push the issue, which you can refuse.
 
fieldgrade said:
There were discussions here a few years ago about LEO in Maryland pulling out-of-state plates linked to CHPs, but I cannot confirm the veracity of those claims.
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No, they just consider everyone from the south as carrying and will find a reason to stop. Once stopped, MDSP will find something if they want. The Police Departments and State agencies are filled with liberals.
 
Precision Seeker said:
My wife was running an errand one night. The light turned yellow. She sped up to make it. A cop saw her and pulled her over. Pleasant exchange, no ticket. But the officer asked her if she had any weapons in the car. Wife didn't and answered accordingly. Officer told her she knew she was a CCW holder and wanted to make sure.

Based on that, I'm 100% they know when we are pulled over. But I have no back end knowledge of what information cops see when they run a plate.
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I got pulled over by a Blue Ridge park ranger once the first words out of his mouth was to ask where my gun was. I asked what gave him the idea I had a gun and his reply was when he ran my tag he could see that I had a CHP.
 
I will double check this but I STILL don't think it's attached to the registration per se. I know it sounds like a mere technicality, but I am fairly certain it is attached to the drivers license (or "customer" number) which -GRANTED- is just one more click IF the car is in your name, and IF the officer or dispatcher wants to see it. I might be splitting hairs but it is a difference.
 
When I switched over from my IL drivers license to NC back in 2020 the girl at the DMV cautioned me that as soon as I signed for the NC license my Illinois DL and CCL would be voided. I don't know if she could see it, or just says that to everyone as a just in case.
 
DFalcon said:
What happens if I get pulled over and don’t declare that I have a weapon in the car. The officer runs my DL and notice that I have a CCW, does that give him probable cause to search my car?
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I’m giving this a big hell no. You have duty to inform, but you didn’t give up your 4th amendment rights.
 
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