Censorship

Isn’t it our own fault for becoming so dependent on these tools? What is your (or my) plan if foreign powers take down the internet or the power grid? Did life exist and flourish before we felt we had to express to the world our own narcissism on social media? Did we always trust wholly what others told us without investigating for ourselves? I think we put too much stock in the ultimate power of media (social or otherwise). I have a power button on all my devices that lets me choose when I want to be influenced by someone else’s narrative.
Think about things like medical documentation, pharmaceutical production, etc... where you are required to keep records of everything that happened, who handled it, what time, full description, lot numbers, total traceability, and all done concurrently.
Now you know what I deal with when we have a network/power glitch.
I literally have to keep a binder of paper logs in reserve and re-train staff on what to do, on the fly, EVERY TIME IT HAPPENS.
 
I just wish I could get apple news alerts off my phone. Everyone is always anti Trump
How to Disable Apple News Alerts Completely
  1. Launch the Settings app on your iOS device.
  2. Scroll down the main list and tap News.
  3. Tap Notifications. (Tip: From this screen, you can prevent stories by channels you don't follow from appearing in the News app's "For You" section. ...
  4. Toggle off Allow Notifications.
 
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This is absolutely no different than Verizon or AT&T telling you who you can and can't call on their network, *and* what you can and can't talk about.
There is absolutely no way hell they should be provided the protections afforded them as a free speech platform when in fact they are acting as a publisher censoring anything they don't like. They should lose their protections from the government and be able to be sued for libel. Right now they’re protected because they are trying to say they are not a publisher, but they sure as hell are a publisher when they decide what is published, and what's not. This is what Trump was fighting about for the last year or so and their implied immunity under Section 230.
 
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Cumulus Media is threatening censorship now.
"A media company that employs right wing talk-radio hosts, including Mark Levin, Dan Bongino, and Ben Shapiro, circulated a memo after the pro-Trump riots on Capitol Hill telling hosts to dial down allegations of election fraud, or else face termination.

Cumulus Media sent the internal memo to employees on Wednesday, according to Inside Music Media. The Atlanta-based company owns 416 radio stations throughout the country, many using a talk-radio format with local and national right-wing personalities.

“We need to help induce national calm NOW,” Cumulus’s executive vice president of content Brian Philips wrote in the memo. The company “will not tolerate any suggestion that the election has not ended. The election has been resolved and there are no alternate acceptable ‘paths.’”

Philips added, “If you transgress this policy, you can expect to separate from the company immediately.”


The move by Cumulus came shortly before Google, Apple, and Amazon ceased hosting social media app Parler. Similar in form to Twitter, Parler became popular with users who chafed over perceived censorship of right-wing views.

However, the site’s hosts claimed Parler was not doing enough to moderate its content for posts that included incitement to violence. Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood has called for the execution of Vice President Mike Pence on the site, for example, although Parler CEO John Matze said that post was removed eventually.

The pro-Trump riot on Wednesday, led by supporters who believe the election was rigged against the president, left dozens of police officers injured. One officer was killed while confronting rioters, and one rioter was shot and killed by police."
 
Cumulus Media is threatening censorship now.
"A media company that employs right wing talk-radio hosts, including Mark Levin, Dan Bongino, and Ben Shapiro, circulated a memo after the pro-Trump riots on Capitol Hill telling hosts to dial down allegations of election fraud, or else face termination.

Cumulus Media sent the internal memo to employees on Wednesday, according to Inside Music Media. The Atlanta-based company owns 416 radio stations throughout the country, many using a talk-radio format with local and national right-wing personalities.

“We need to help induce national calm NOW,” Cumulus’s executive vice president of content Brian Philips wrote in the memo. The company “will not tolerate any suggestion that the election has not ended. The election has been resolved and there are no alternate acceptable ‘paths.’”

Philips added, “If you transgress this policy, you can expect to separate from the company immediately.”


The move by Cumulus came shortly before Google, Apple, and Amazon ceased hosting social media app Parler. Similar in form to Twitter, Parler became popular with users who chafed over perceived censorship of right-wing views.

However, the site’s hosts claimed Parler was not doing enough to moderate its content for posts that included incitement to violence. Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood has called for the execution of Vice President Mike Pence on the site, for example, although Parler CEO John Matze said that post was removed eventually.

The pro-Trump riot on Wednesday, led by supporters who believe the election was rigged against the president, left dozens of police officers injured. One officer was killed while confronting rioters, and one rioter was shot and killed by police."

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Censorship is a real thing. Anything and anyone remotely right-of-center is going to be shut down. But I do not blame Cumulus Media. If they are 'forced' to fire their stars, they will implode. I read Charge of the Light Brigade, and I have read Sun Tzu. They (media and personalities under Cumulus media) can still promulgate the case of election fraud, but just dial it back on radio. There are other avenues and mechanisms.
 
They (media and personalities under Cumulus media) can still promulgate the case of election fraud, but just dial it back on radio. There are other avenues and mechanisms.
So, "work within the system to change the system."

The Left did that, starting some 50 years ago. Do you think we have 50 years from today to make that happen in the other direction?

This is not sarcasm nor an attack on your statement; it is a legitimate question centering around America's long-standing cultural/political/legal tradition of peaceful transitions (not just of elected officials, but also of acceptable laws and activities).

It seems that the current pivotal issue is whether or not it is reasonable -i.e. based on reason - to think that approach is possible given recent actions by one side.
 

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So, "work within the system to change the system."

The Left did that, starting some 50 years ago. Do you think we have 50 years from today to make that happen in the other direction?

This is not sarcasm nor an attack on your statement; it is a legitimate question centering around America's long-standing cultural/political/legal tradition of peaceful transitions (not just of elected officials, but also of acceptable laws and activities).

It seems that the current pivotal issue is whether or not it is reasonable -i.e. based on reason - to think that approach is possible given recent actions by one side.

That is part of it. Also, a speaking circuit. Crowd sourcing/funding. Get more 'our' people in local politics.

As you so perfectly stated, the left started this slowly 50 years ago. We ain't going to swing the pendulum overnight.

We are pearl-clutching because of electronic media. We have to start thinking outside the box, thinking small, and thinking local. As we have seen we will be slaughtered in a frontal attack. So, we don't do frontal attacks.
 
AR-15 just got shut down. Censored.
 
I don't remember where the quote is from, but a few years ago I remember reading that one of the tactics the left uses to control speech and debate is to permit only a very narrow range of acceptable opinion, but allow spirited debate within that narrow range. It gives the illusion of free speech to those who already agree with their talking points, and allows them to paint any views outside the acceptable range as being those of the ignorant, uneducated, and uninformed on a good day, and the words of racists, bigots, and rebels on a bad one.

In the days of our founding fathers, free speech either happened among people in a group, or was written or printed on paper. These days, most of our communication happens through electronic means, through texts, social media, hosted websites, etc. We live in an era where private companies have grown so powerful, and so far-reaching that they can essentially cut off someone's speech entirely, virtually "un-personing" them.

I feel that free speech protections should be expanded into the digital world. If a company wants to regulate what can be posted on their service, they can be a publisher, with the rights and responsibilities that come with that.
 
I feel that free speech protections should be expanded into the digital world. If a company wants to regulate what can be posted on their service, they can be a publisher, with the rights and responsibilities that come with that.

Free speech is protected, it's the particulars that are still being worked out. Like where the line is drawn for "public domain". Also the expectation of privacy over digital media.

A company is not a government institution, and the First Amendment is a proscription against the government, not its citizens or private institutions.

Where this more properly lies is in the domain of anti-monopoly laws, in my opinion. When companies become so large that they overwhelmingly overshadow other options to the citizens, then danger exists in more than one fashion. What we're seeing now is another facet...information, communication, and defacto Freedom of Speech issues.

For those that want to tie these big corporations into the government in order to make it a First Amendment issue, then the avenue for this is probably through the Congressional Inquisitions, where Congress clearly said "fix this or we'll fix it for you" to Zuckerberg for instance. (That kind of behavior could constitute a First Amendment concern.)

I ain't no lawyer, though...with all that means.
 
Happy 70 anniversary McCarthyism! Way to make a strong come back! Republicans tried it then, guess the Democrats want a turn...

Yates v. United States is so out of date...


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More tin hat... Just got a message that iPhones got and update last night and Presidential Alerts were turned off. We have Android here and that's not an option.
 
More tin hat... Just got a message that iPhones got and update last night and Presidential Alerts were turned off. We have Android here and that's not an option.
I am not much of an expert on iPhone but notifications are still active. I didn’t know that presidential alerts was an individual setting
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On my Android the Presidential Alerts can't be turned off. Now, that's not saying anything about the carriers not sending the alert out.
 

A post a ar15 saying they were dropped do to a tos violation.
 
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FB canned The Walk Away Movements page- 500K+ followers
And Law Enforcement Today- 900K followers

Never heard of it till today but Marsh v Alabama forced first amendment protection onto a privately owned mill town.


When we balance the Constitutional rights of owners of property against those of the people to enjoy freedom of press and religion, as we must here, we remain mindful of the fact that the latter occupy a preferred position.7 As we have stated before, the right to exercise the liberties safeguarded by the First Amendment 'lies at the foundation of free government by free men' and we must in all cases 'weigh the circumstances and appraise * * * the reasons * * * in support of the regulation of (those) rights.' Schneider v. State, 308 U.S. 147, 161, 60 S.Ct. 146, 151, 84 L.Ed. 155. In our view the circumstance that the property rights to the premises where the deprivation of liberty, here involved, took place, were held by others than the public, is not sufficient to justify the State's permitting a corporation to govern a community of citizens so as to restrict their fundamental liberties and the enforcement of such restraint by the application of a State statute. Insofar as the State has attempted to impose criminal punishment on appellant for undertaking to distribute religious literature in a company town, its action cannot stand. The case is reversed and the cause remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.


And Bongino's letter from Apple is going to come back to haunt them. They stated in writing that Parler was responsible for the content on their site. But they still let Twitter and FB stay up? Also, AWS broke their service contract with Parler by not giving them 30 days as the contract requires. They have already filed a lawsuit against Amazon.

What a lot of you are forgetting with the rights vs private business argument is that everyone signed and agreed to a contract. Both parties have requirement. And there are legal consequences for not honoring them. I think it's a 1A issue, but it's also a business contract/law issue. And in the case of parler, if there was a conspiracy between these companies they might be able to get to some criminal issues.
 
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