Chauvin verdict at 4:30....

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Trying to decide what bottle I'll crack open for a celebratory pour tonight.

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I’ve never been a police apologist, often been accused of being too critical. But how anyone can say that was murder I’ll never understand. Strictly going by the evidence it looked overwhelming like a OD. The prosecution even admitted to his oxygen level in his blood being 98%. Sitting with a knee in his back for 8 minutes was unnecessary and should never happen. But if you ingest a deadly amount of fentanyl that’s on you.
 
She flat out called for violence and the dims refused to take action.

She should be hung.... assuming one could one could find a rope stout enough to swing her giant ass.
 
Homicide is not cause of death. Cardio-pulmonary arrest is. That medical examiner tainted the case. How many threats did the jury and families get? You can bet they were doxxed. Not sequestered? Talk about intimidation. Having your fellow officers condemn you is a guilty sentence in itself. My neighbor thinks those cops will retire soon, draw down their Cayman island bribe accounts slowly. Soros et al are certainly capable of it. Shitty deal.
 
President Biden called the guilty verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial an indictment on unjust policing.

“No one should be above the law and today’s verdict sends that message.”

That include politicians and .gov?:mad:

or your son, Hunter?

SOB :mad:
 
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The mob rules I guess, like I told my wife, the whole situation should have been handled differently because there was no reason 4 men couldn’t pick up a cuffed suspect and toss his ass into the back of the cop car, had they done that and Floyd cashed in his chips en route to the LEC, there still would have been an outcry but nothing like the shitshow we watched over the past year.

Cops will probably start retiring and as more of them get convicted on BS like this whole mess, more and more will find new careers, once the large cities hit crisis levels due to lack of law enforcement availability, sit back and watch the bon fire, on one hand I hate to know it’s probably going to come to that but at the same time, their making the bed, let’em lay in it.
 
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The mob rules I guess, like I told my wife, the whole situation should have been handled differently because there was no reason 4 men couldn’t pick up a cuffed suspect and toss his ass into the back of the cop car, had they done that and Floyd cashed in his chips en route to the LEC, there still would have been an outcry but nothing like the shitshow we watched over the past year.

Cops will probably start retiring and as more of them get convicted on BS like this whole mess, more and more will find new careers, once the large cities hit crisis levels due to lack of law enforcement availability, sit back and watch the bon fire, on one hand I hate to know it’s probably going to come to that but at the same time, their making the bed, let’em lay in it.
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Where's Robocop when we need him? Never thought those 80's sci fi/action movies would prove prophetic.
 
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Will there be deals in Charlotte, Durham, Fayetteville or Murder Beach?
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There was a protest...like a total of 5 people showed up.

My question is.....where did they find a "fair and impartial" jury......

I have tried to stay out of it, I got my own problems to deal with, but if anyone in 'merica has watched any television news in the past year, there is no way they could be unsteered in whatever direction they felt most accommodating to them.
 
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Retired NY Corrections Officer on FOX Tucker tonight, he would like to see LEO's get EMT training since they are on the scene before Fire and paramedics.
Floyd was cuffed and on the sidewalk up against the building, no reason to put him in the patrol SUV, if LEO had EMT training, let me take your pulse, how do you feel, etc, interview him to see if he needs medical attention.

My take on this, Chauvin neglected to get Floyd medical attention after other LEO says no pulse, we should sit him up, (NO Chest Compressions). Chauvin "NO, he stays were he is". That is where Chauvin crossed over the line. He continued to use his knee on the neck up to and after Floyd passed out.
Not sure if the prosecution made a point of both men worked at the restaurant for security detail. Chauvin made this personal, not LEO business.
The other LEO's did not take steps to stop Chauvin, 'LT let me take him ok?', Chauvin should have let others take control because he had a history with Floyd.

DOJ paper on Positional Asphyxia https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/posasph.pdf
 
CZfool68 said:
There is nothing to celebrate here. Chauvin may deserve punishment. I didn’t see all of the evidence the jury did, so I won’t question their judgement. But that city is going to keep suffering because a drug addict, thug d-bag and his actions. Nobody wins in this one. I’m sure all the good people there and the. business owners will not be celebrating the destruction of their city and lives by a bunch of useful idiots that are being used. It’s sad all the way around.
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Yes the guy was a POS but does that make him less worthy of due process or justice? Does that nullify his rights? How can you consider yourself a true patriot and believer in justice, fairness, and freedom if those principles are actually conditional in your opinion? That attitude is the exact reason why the American Injustice System has railroaded people for generations.

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Retired NY Corrections Officer on FOX Tucker tonight, he would like to see LEO's get EMT training since they are on the scene before Fire and paramedics.
Floyd was cuffed and on the sidewalk up against the building, no reason to put him in the patrol SUV, if LEO had EMT training, let me take your pulse, how do you feel, etc, interview him to see if he needs medical attention.

My take on this, Chauvin neglected to get Floyd medical attention after other LEO says no pulse, we should sit him up, (NO Chest Compressions). Chauvin "NO, he stays were he is". That is where Chauvin crossed over the line. He continued to use his knee on the neck up to and after Floyd passed out.
Not sure if the prosecution made a point of both men worked at the restaurant for security detail. Chauvin made this personal, not LEO business.
The other LEO's did not take steps to stop Chauvin, 'LT let me take him ok?', Chauvin should have let others take control because he had a history with Floyd.

DOJ paper on Positional Asphyxia https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/posasph.pdf
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Chauvin definitely screwed up the whole interaction in several ways, there isn’t any question about that, but I have yet to see intent or direct action that caused Floyd’s death, he could have prevented it, but I didn’t see the evidence that showed his actions caused it.
 
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Wahoo95 said:
Yes the guy was a POS but does that make him less worthy of due process or justice? Does that nullify his rights? How can you consider yourself a true patriot and believer in justice, fairness, and freedom if those principles are actually conditional in your opinion? That attitude is the exact reason why the American Injustice System has railroaded people for generations.
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You are absolutely 100% correct. No question.

That being said, given the circumstances surrounding this trial, I question whether or not the accused really got true due process, I wasn’t there. I wasn’t on the jury. I would like to think they weighed the evidence and ruled accordingly, but the massive attempt at intimidation calls that into question.
 
DCGallim said:
I’ve never been a police apologist, often been accused of being too critical. But how anyone can say that was murder I’ll never understand. Strictly going by the evidence it looked overwhelming like a OD. The prosecution even admitted to his oxygen level in his blood being 98%. Sitting with a knee in his back for 8 minutes was unnecessary and should never happen. But if you ingest a deadly amount of fentanyl that’s on you.
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Lemme guess, you also believed Eric Garner died of a heart attack right?

Can we really say it was an OD? Most junkies walk around with what would be medically considered a lethal dose of dope in their systems on daily basis and they don't die. Is it really fair to totally disregard the affects of had two grown men on his back, abdomen, and neck all while going through a drug induced medical crisis and honestly feel their actions played no part in the final outcome? The only real way to say it was purely OD is not have any help from anyone placing their weight on his back. Im sure anyone that disagrees should have no problem with allowing me and a couple of guys to sit on their backs, abdomen, and neck to see if he has any affect on their ability to breathe and thats without the added stress of drugs, stress, etc.

The people who consistently defend this type of stuff are the same people that stood around and watched lynchings years ago always coming up with reasons to justify what was taking place. It's the same pattern and always has been. Yup, the same people that saw nothing wrong with what happened to Emmett Till because I mean he did whistle at a white woman and surely that crime was punishable by death for a kid.

I'll go back to enjoying my drink while laughing at the idea of watching many of the folks in here struggle with witnessing the American Injustice System from what they feel is the "other side". It doesn't feel good does it...smh.

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Tarowah said:
I’ve been on 3 juries, never encountered a “biased” person on any of them.
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I've been on 3 juries too and was Foreman on 2 of them. We did have decent groups of people on those juries but that small sample shouldn't come close to making any reasonable person really believe juries are truly composed of an unbiased group of one's peers. Trust me there's WAY too much history to back this up so please don't go there.

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Tarowah said:
Chauvin definitely screwed up the whole interaction in several ways, there isn’t any question about that, but I have yet to see intent or direct action that caused Floyd’s death, he could have prevented it, but I didn’t see the evidence that showed his actions caused it.
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Outside of the part where he ignored others request to check on the guy

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Outside of the part where he ignored others request to check on the guy

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Yeah man, I mean cops should really be shocked and stop what they’re doing every single time a group of hysterical people yell at cops to do something, the 1 time out 50,000 times this happens where there was an actual medical situation should definitely be taken under consideration.
 
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Wahoo95 said:
Yes the guy was a POS but does that make him less worthy of due process or justice? Does that nullify his rights? How can you consider yourself a true patriot and believer in justice, fairness, and freedom if those principles are actually conditional in your opinion? That attitude is the exact reason why the American Injustice System has railroaded people for generations.

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Yes. Yes. Because I'm not a drug addled thug.
 
jury got this one right.

continued force instead of rendering aid for four plus minutes after the guy was limp and unconscious is the heart of the case.

nothing else in this case mattered IMHO

none of the charges required that the prosecution needed to prove intent to kill
 
Wahoo95 said:
I've been on 3 juries too and was Foreman on 2 of them. We did have decent groups of people on those juries but that small sample shouldn't come close to making any reasonable person really believe juries are truly composed of an unbiased group of one's peers. Trust me there's WAY too much history to back this up so please don't go there.

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I’ll be happy to go into the history of the injustices in the criminal justice system with you, we’ve already touched on this conversation once before and while it would be much easier to have speaking face to face because the context can be lost in the written word, but at the end of the day, the failures of the criminal justice system are in no way, shape or form a “Black” issue, especially when you look at all of the statistics and not the cherry picked data that attempts to skew an opinion.

But don’t think you’re getting out of going to Bang Steel with us this summer, I’m not going to have a conversation on here that I won’t have face to face, but this is probably a conversation more suited over a meal rather than at that range lol
 
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Dale Gribble said:
President Biden called the guilty verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial an indictment on unjust policing.

“No one should be above the law and today’s verdict sends that message.”

That include politicians and .gov?:mad:

or your son, Hunter?

SOB :mad:
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No, just you little people.
 
@Wahoo95 Yeah I broke one of my rules about political or sensitive topics with people I know on the internet, I’m going to bow out rather than continue to have this type of conversation on the open forum, I’d rather have you to think negatively of me based on my actual perspective rather than a poorly worded comment on the internet, I’m not shy about my opinion or perspective, but my ability to convey them in the written word aren’t exactly stellar.
 
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The Good Rev. Al Sharpton got a sweet ride on a private jet courtesy of Tyler Perry today. Can't let a good crisis go to waste.

 
And the good Rev was never far from center of the shot during the entire press conference.
 
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World Famous JV ex POTUS BHO and his wife commented today and conviently left out any references to riots, arson, looting and loss of lives.
The Obamas addressed the widespread protests in their Tuesday statement, crediting activists for inspiring change ranging from legislation to the verdict itself.

“For almost a year, George Floyd’s death under the knee of a police officer has reverberated around the world — inspiring murals and marches, sparking conversations in living rooms and new legislation. But a more basic question has always remained: would justice be done?” they said. “In this case, at least, we have our answer. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, we know that true justice is about much more than a single verdict in a single trial.”
 
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It "looked bad." That's what convicted him. They let him out of the car to help him be more comfortable, remember? People forget that big bastard was fighting them the entire time. He could breathe well enough to fight. They recognized his overdosing condition and called the ambulance. What else could they do except try to calm him down? 3 to 4 times the typical lethal overdose of fentanyl alone would have killed him momentarily anyway. The other drug cocktails and his serious health issues hurried it along. Death was inevitable. The worst aspect of this sorry episode is how the prosecution was intent to convict and win a victory for ideological purposes. They were not interested in justice at all - for anybody.
 
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Lemme guess, you also believed Eric Garner died of a heart attack right?

Can we really say it was an OD? Most junkies walk around with what would be medically considered a lethal dose of dope in their systems on daily basis and they don't die. Is it really fair to totally disregard the affects of had two grown men on his back, abdomen, and neck all while going through a drug induced medical crisis and honestly feel their actions played no part in the final outcome? The only real way to say it was purely OD is not have any help from anyone placing their weight on his back. Im sure anyone that disagrees should have no problem with allowing me and a couple of guys to sit on their backs, abdomen, and neck to see if he has any affect on their ability to breathe and thats without the added stress of drugs, stress, etc.

The people who consistently defend this type of stuff are the same people that stood around and watched lynchings years ago always coming up with reasons to justify what was taking place. It's the same pattern and always has been. Yup, the same people that saw nothing wrong with what happened to Emmett Till because I mean he did whistle at a white woman and surely that crime was punishable by death for a kid.

I'll go back to enjoying my drink while laughing at the idea of watching many of the folks in here struggle with witnessing the American Injustice System from what they feel is the "other side". It doesn't feel good does it...smh.

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I mean we all witnessed that system with Daniel Shaver and countless others like him, which you don't mention for some odd reason.
 
The murder of Ashli Babbitt was a non-story one week after it happened. The fake news of Brian Sicknick's murder lasted far longer.

How can this be a nail in the coffin of the justice system, when it was dead, buried and covered with dirt years ago?
 
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It "looked bad." That's what convicted him
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I think they were afraid of the mob coming for them more than they gave two bits about justice.

Goofyfoot2001 said:
There is no justice or law left in America.
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We haven’t reached the point where enough people have woke up and realized this or else the edifices of the legal system would be reduced to embers with all hands. They still believe the cops are virtuous and truth and justice will prevail in a court room. The reality is far from it.
 
Wahoo95 said:
You say that as if there's EVER been unbiased jurors in the American Injustice System...

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You have a point. What with internet and smartphones, I think the idea of an unbiased, sequestered jury is impossible nowadays.

About the case, I think, personally, they Chauvin did cause his death. The important point, in my mind, was the drug overdose. One expert argued it was enough to kill him three times over. Another argued that this was only for a non user, and that, as a habitual user, this was a non fatal dose.
I lean more towards that this was a non fatal dose. Problem is, it does raise enough doubts they I would have problems convicting, if it were me. That's my two cents.
 
Let me propose this:
What about professional jurors.
Seriously, think about it. Instead of randomly picking people, from all walks of life, and many of whom would rather be somewhere else, why not make this a profession.
Where people go to school, perhaps to get a degree in this, to understand case law and precedence, to be screened, repeatedly for bias, particularly under stress.
Also, it has been shown that when lawyers (both sides) want the jury to ignore something they will make that part of the jury instructions overly complicated, this could be nullified with this proposed solution.
I am just shooting in the dark, what say youse?
 
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