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Hi.

I’ve only shot local range matches and saw that there is a USPSA match at SIr Walter this weekend.

I have a M&P CORE 5L w/ported barrel and trijicon RMR. I gained some weight since I bought my blade tech belt and can’t get the damn thing on with the holster. So I need to find a kydex holster.

I have store bought 180 grain target ammo.

Having never done before besides getting a uspsa member number what else do I need and what boxes would I check on the practiscore registration?

Open or Carry optics? Major PF? I could also use a m&p 40c if my toy gun causes issues. What class would I check?

Think I can get everything done in time to show up Friday? ☺️
 
Trekkie said:
Hi.

I’ve only shot local range matches and saw that there is a USPSA match at SIr Walter this weekend.

I have a M&P CORE 5L w/ported barrel and trijicon RMR. I gained some weight since I bought my blade tech belt and can’t get the damn thing on with the holster. So I need to find a kydex holster.

I have store bought 180 grain target ammo.

Having never done before besides getting a uspsa member number what else do I need and what boxes would I check on the practiscore registration?

Open or Carry optics? Major PF? I could also use a m&p 40c if my toy gun causes issues. What class would I check?

Think I can get everything done in time to show up Friday? ☺️
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Ported barrel puts you in Open.

You don't need to be a USPSA member to shoot a club match, so don't worry about it if you don't get your number in time.

In Practiscore, you'd check unclassified, Open division, Major power factor.
 
Daleo8803 said:
Cool. Going to sign up tonight. And order a new optic mount for my glock :)
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If you email them and ask for it after you pay the nice lady will email it to you and probably wish you well in your match, but yeah the packet shows up sometime within the next month.

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Got my new mount ordered. I have to say if you ever need anything for a Glock I HIGHLY recommend Carver Custom!! They are awesome! I ordered my new mount last night and also ordered the gas pedal too. They emailed me first thing this morning to make sure of what side to install the padel on. They also sent me the load data on the 9mm major they use in their guns. Simply awesome customer service!
 
I've heard you talk about match bucks on several podcasts. I've won class/division before several times... never heard of this. I know we shoot a lot of the same matches. Do you mind posting who (which matches) does this and how it works. Do you have to stay later, is it picked up at subsequent matches? Thanks.
 
9Baller said:
I've heard you talk about match bucks on several podcasts. I've won class/division before several times... never heard of this. I know we shoot a lot of the same matches. Do you mind posting who (which matches) does this and how it works. Do you have to stay later, is it picked up at subsequent matches? Thanks.
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Sir Walter
 
Does IDPA still allow the Glock 19 in the CCP division? And if so, would it be accepted in BUG matches? Seeing conflicting info on that.

Also, would 17 round Glock mags and 15 rounders fit in the same kydex holsters?
 
nchiker1 said:
Does IDPA still allow the Glock 19 in the CCP division? And if so, would it be accepted in BUG matches? Seeing conflicting info on that.

Also, would 17 round Glock mags and 15 rounders fit in the same kydex holsters?
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Yes, CCP was basically made for the G19.

BUG matches are for BUG division guns, not CCP guns (however, most BUG matches are basically fun matches, and I seriously doubt anyone would care if you didn't shoot a gun that expressly fits the BUG division rules)

And yeah, G19 mags (and G26 for that matter) will all fit in the same pouches as each other.
 
FlatFender said:
Yes, CCP was basically made for the G19.

BUG matches are for BUG division guns, not CCP guns (however, most BUG matches are basically fun matches, and I seriously doubt anyone would care if you didn't shoot a gun that expressly fits the BUG division rules)

And yeah, G19 mags (and G26 for that matter) will all fit in the same pouches as each other.
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Thanks Fender. Also, would I be allowed to use a downloaded 17 round magazine in my 19 in this division?
 
FlatFender said:
New to competitive shooting? Interested, but don't know where to start? This thread is your safe space to ask any question you like, no matter how trivial it may seem. If I don't know the answer, I'll find someone who does.

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I got a some questions that need answering/clarified.

For pistol-

The production class is just that correct, a factory produced pistol?

I’m still not sure about that would be done to keep it in that class but I am thinking something like a M&P9 or SR9, maybe a VP9(depending on price of one), but nothing that is a glock, don’t ask, I just prefer not to have a glock.

Hell is there a 22lr class/group?

Rifle-

How many competitions actually do a class/group in 22lr? If so, is there a platform restriction? Mag fed only I take it?

I am more interested in the PCC group than anything, but once again not sure about the rules in regards to the PCC class. Is there any caliber restrictions? Platform restrictions?

From a budget standpoint the above has my most interest as between practice and eventually a competition 22lr and a PCC in 9mm would allow me to participate.


I think that’ll be it for now
 
backwoodsshooter said:
I got a some questions that need answering/clarified.

For pistol-

The production class is just that correct, a factory produced pistol?

I’m still not sure about that would be done to keep it in that class but I am thinking something like a M&P9 or SR9, maybe a VP9(depending on price of one), but nothing that is a glock, don’t ask, I just prefer not to have a glock.

Kind of, sort of. The most popular guns in Production would probably be the Glock 34/Glock 17, CZ Shadow and Shadow 2, Tanfoglio Stock 2, etc. There is a list of modifications that you can make to the guns, but in general, yes, think factory off the shelf gun.

You can find all the deets in the USPSA Rulebook, Appendix D4.

Production division is scored all minor, so you'll want a 9mm, no advantage to shooting a bigger caliber in that division.

Hell is there a 22lr class/group?

Not is USPSA, no. The three tenents of the game are Speed, Power, and Accuracy, so shooting at least a duty gun caliber is required.

Rifle-

How many competitions actually do a class/group in 22lr? If so, is there a platform restriction? Mag fed only I take it?

Depends on the rules of that particular match. Last I checked the Sir Walter USPSA rifle match allowed .22lr guns, along with PCC and real rifles. Most any sort of outlaw match will generally have a .22lr category as well.

I am more interested in the PCC group than anything, but once again not sure about the rules in regards to the PCC class. Is there any caliber restrictions? Platform restrictions?

PCC is still a provisional division, so it's rules aren't in the latest rulebook yet, but you can find them here: https://uspsa.org/viewer/Appendix_D8.pdf

From a budget standpoint the above has my most interest as between practice and eventually a competition 22lr and a PCC in 9mm would allow me to participate.


I think that’ll be it for now
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Let me know if you've got any more questions.
 
FlatFender said:
Let me know if you've got any more questions.
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THank you for the info. I found a list of allowed pistols for the production class. Found plenty that would fit a budget of mine and not be a glock lol.

As for rifle, thank you for the info. Gives me something to think about.

Looks like I will have to dig around some more to find some matches that are closer so I can get to go watch lol.

I know the goal for this year is to get out and compete in 2 matches, and the wife has already gave her approval on it. So be either USPSA, or something dealing with precision rifle
 
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backwoodsshooter said:
THank you for the info. I found a list of allowed pistols for the production class. Found plenty that would fit a budget of mine and not be a glock lol.

As for rifle, thank you for the info. Gives me something to think about.

Looks like I will have to dig around some more to find some matches that are closer so I can get to go watch lol.

I know the goal for this year is to get out and compete in 2 matches, and the wife has already gave her approval on it. So be either USPSA, or something dealing with precision rifle
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If you give a county or nearby city or whatever someone could possibly point you toward some matches. Sadly most aren't very easy to find searching the net.

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Beef15 said:
If you give a county or nearby city or whatever someone could possibly point you toward some matches. Sadly most aren't very easy to find searching the net.

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That makes sense on why I am finding very little lol.

I’m in Wilkes County which is about 45 minutes west of Winston Salem
 
backwoodsshooter said:
That makes sense on why I am finding very little lol.

I’m in Wilkes County which is about 45 minutes west of Winston Salem
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Might be a rough spot depending on your willingness to drive.

There's an IDPA match right in Wilkesboro from March into fall. Foothills I think is the name of the club.

Rowan Practical Shooters in Salisbury is a great USPSA match second Sat.

Carolina Guns and Gear Range in Asheboro also is, third Sat.

PHA in Linwood has a unsanctioned pistol match fourth Saturday.

That's what I know of with about 1.5hrs for pistol.

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Beef15 said:
Might be a rough spot depending on your willingness to drive.

There's an IDPA match right in Wilkesboro from March into fall. Foothills I think is the name of the club.

Rowan Practical Shooters in Salisbury is a great USPSA match second Sat.

Carolina Guns and Gear Range in Asheboro also is, third Sat.

PHA in Linwood has a unsanctioned pistol match fourth Saturday.

That's what I know of with about 1.5hrs for pistol.

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Yea asheboro is pushing it a bit far lol. If that IDPA is where I think it is that is right near my house. I think here is one in Morrseville that was going to take a rack at. I’ll keep looking around and thanks for the info
 
backwoodsshooter said:
I’m in Wilkes County which is about 45 minutes west of Winston Salem
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You may also want to take a look at Kettlefoot Rod & Gun Club in Bristol VA. It is a haul for me in Greensboro, but should only be about 2 hours for you and they run great matches on a monthly basis. Also as noted above, Foothills.

@Beef15 is correct, the western half of NC is not "where the action is" in this state.
 
Charlie R said:
You may also want to take a look at Kettlefoot Rod & Gun Club in Bristol VA. It is a haul for me in Greensboro, but should only be about 2 hours for you and they run great matches on a monthly basis. Also as noted above, Foothills.

@Beef15 is correct, the western half of NC is not "where the action is" in this state.
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Bristol is a haul for me lol.

But I have noticed a lot of matches happen out east.

I’ll get it figured out. Gotta get th stuff first lol.

Thanks for th info
 
Having never shot USPSA, only IDPA, I am confused about the scoring. What does Stg Points mean, and how is it calculated?

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dmarbell said:
Having never shot USPSA, only IDPA, I am confused about the scoring. What does Stg Points mean, and how is it calculated?

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Let's use Stage 1 as an example:
There were 120 points in that stage. Whoever won that stage received all of those stage points. Your hit factor percentage was 10.41% of the winner for that stage so you received 10.41% of the available 120 points.
 
I see. So the stage winner gets 100% of the total available stage points, and everyone else gets stage points based on their HF as a % of the winner's HF times the total available stage points. Is that it?

I looked over the stage results from the Feb 3 SWGC shoot. Points among the top 7-8 shooters per stage didn't vary very much. So time became the biggest determining factor for stage wins. Does that also sound right?
 
dmarbell said:
I see. So the stage winner gets 100% of the total available stage points, and everyone else gets stage points based on their HF as a % of the winner's HF times the total available stage points. Is that it?

I looked over the stage results from the Feb 3 SWGC shoot. Points among the top 7-8 shooters per stage didn't vary very much. So time became the biggest determining factor for stage wins. Does that also sound right?
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Correct. HF = points/time (seconds). A better way to view hit factor is points per second.
 
Slappy McTrigger said:
Correct. HF = points/time (seconds). A better way to view hit factor is points per second.
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dmarbell pointed this out to me as a new USPSA shooter and I don't understand why it's shown this way but points shown are not the real points if there were any deductions like a Mike or NS.

The shooter at the top of the example shooting minor got 77 gross points. (14x5)+(2x3)+(1x1)=77 but the hit factor is 27 (-50 for 5 Mikes)/49.56 (time)=.5448HF. You would think they would show the 27 net points. Has nothing to do with stage points but I thought it was interesting. Is there a reason they show gross points and not net points?
 
Cochise said:
dmarbell pointed this out to me as a new USPSA shooter and I don't understand why it's shown this way but points shown are not the real points if there were any deductions like a Mike or NS.

The shooter at the top of the example shooting minor got 77 gross points. (14x5)+(2x3)+(1x1)=77 but the hit factor is 27 (-50 for 5 Mikes)/49.56 (time)=.5448HF. You would think they would show the 27 net points. Has nothing to do with stage points but I thought it was interesting. Is there a reason they show gross points and not net points?
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Dunno why practiscore does that. If you look at the HTML results it totals penalties for easy math. When the results post to the USPSA page they have total points and with penalties both shown, maybe just percent of points, suddenly I have doubts, it shows with and without penalties though for sure.

Speed is always matters, but not always so much you can afford to drop many points at all, there are sometimes low hit factor stages with lots of very difficult shots. Generally top shooters don't struggle much with accuracy so time tends to be larger variable. Stoeger's Practical Pistol book gives a pretty good run down on most things USPSA.
 
Cochise said:
dmarbell pointed this out to me as a new USPSA shooter and I don't understand why it's shown this way but points shown are not the real points if there were any deductions like a Mike or NS.
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Like @Beef15 said I’m not sure why PractiScore shows total before penalties.

I think the important thing to take away here is a better understanding of how the stages are scored. For instance, knowing that a 1 second Charlie scores almost as high as a 1.5 second Alpha (3/1=3) versus (5/1.5=3.33). I used minor pf since that’s what @dmarbell was shooting but it’s even more lopsided in favor of speed with major. If you look at stage 3 his hits were far better than mine but I completed the stage in less than half the time earning me a much higher HF even with 1 mike. Doing the math and then applying it to your practice/game plan will serve to better your results. I’m new to USPSA as well so do your own homework but I have found playing with the numbers and doing “what if” scenarios helpful. Just my two cents.
 
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Slappy McTrigger said:
Like @Beef15 said I’m not sure why PractiScore shows total before penalties.

I think the important thing to take away here is a better understanding of how the stages are scored. For instance, knowing that a 1 second Charlie scores almost as high as a 1.5 second Alpha (3/1=3) versus (5/1.5=3.33). I used minor pf since that’s what @dmarbell was shooting but it’s even more lopsided in favor of speed with major. If you look at stage 3 his hits were far better than mine but I completed the stage in less than half the time earning me a much higher HF even with 1 mike. Doing the math and then applying it to your practice/game plan will serve to better your results. I’m new to USPSA as well so do your own homework but I have found playing with the numbers and doing “what if” scenarios helpful. Just my two cents.
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Running these number is a huge eye opener and I continue to be surprised by how much getting off the pot really matters.

I’ve come to view major a lot like 3gun: go really dang fast and put two bullets on paper. Aim for the center but don’t worry about anything but but speed and try to avoid mikes. But even mikes don’t kill you as much as you’d think.
 
NKD said:
Running these number is a huge eye opener and I continue to be surprised by how much getting off the pot really matters.

I’ve come to view major a lot like 3gun: go really dang fast and put two bullets on paper. Aim for the center but don’t worry about anything but but speed and try to avoid mikes. But even mikes don’t kill you as much as you’d think.
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Thanks Slappy and NKD. Ok, go fast, hit the paper twice and don't worry about Alpha vs Charlie etc. Seems I'm working hard on Alphas but should be working more on just hits and avoiding Mikes. I will do that. Good stuff.

Here is my issue. There are 2 parts to speed, shooting fast and running. I'm a Super Senior, so running isn't my strong point, but I have no disability and am not out of shape.....much. I'm beginning to think I just don't know how to run a stage properly. I know that sounds dumb but it isn't so much running as quick short sprints. I think it's a skill. I'd love to get behind some young dude and see if I could keep up or at least come close and see how it feels. Does that make any sense?

The other possibility is I'm just shooting too slow. You can't tell from the data whether you are loosing time shooting or running. Any thoughts?
 
Cochise said:
Thanks Slappy and NKD. Ok, go fast, hit the paper twice and don't worry about Alpha vs Charlie etc. Seems I'm working hard on Alphas but should be working more on just hits and avoiding Mikes. I will do that. Good stuff.

Here is my issue. There are 2 parts to speed, shooting fast and running. I'm a Super Senior, so running isn't my strong point, but I have no disability and am not out of shape.....much. I'm beginning to think I just don't know how to run a stage properly. I know that sounds dumb but it isn't so much running as quick short sprints. I think it's a skill. I'd love to get behind some young dude and see if I could keep up or at least come close and see how it feels. Does that make any sense?

The other possibility is I'm just shooting too slow. You can't tell from the data whether you are loosing time shooting or running. Any thoughts?
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Post up a video or 3 of your match.

Stage plan is a huge part of the game. And yes long runs are not the usual, although you do see them. There are several techniques in movement that will save a bunch of time.
 
@Cochise speed could be swapped for the word efficient. Efficiency of movement equates to speed unless the stage is one where you have to baul halls [sic] from one side of the bay to the other which happens but is rare. If you watch the good shooters next match pay particular attention to their walk through. What you’ll notice is they are actually counting steps. The game is surprisingly more mental than you would think. Again, I’m relatively new to USPSA as well but this has been my experience.
 
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