But I've heard shooting in competitions will get you "Killed on the streets"!
I have often thought they should run a "blind" stage or two. One shooter at a time, no walk through, no briefing other rounds per target, unlimited, put the stage behind a solid wall with a door. On the buzzer open the door and start banging, game it on the fly if you can.
Range safety would be the BIG issue, but it should be manageable.
Shooting powder puff loads on a square range teaches nothing about using full house defense loads in a REAL shoot out.
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Good article by Ron Avery:
https://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/5816232-Will-competition-get-you-killed/
Shooting powder puff loads on a square range teaches nothing about using full house defense loads in a REAL shoot out.
BUT...... If you'll sign up for one of my courses I'll teach you how to survive those cardboard targets, sign up at this link....
We accept MasterCard and Visa..... NO personal checks..(wonder why??).....
I can only ID two things from a competition environment that will translate to negatives IRL: The 180 rule and the end of a string. In a match we tend to look in just one direction for targets and stop everything when we shoot the last one, then unload and show clear.
What do you have against shooting instructors?God, it's easy to pull you guys out of the woodwork with one comment. So which "trainer" are you worshipping this week?? How much money have you donated to their cause??? Why can't you practice on your own?? You actually need someone to talk you through it??
It depends on the instructor and whether it's justified.What do you have against shooting instructors?
God, it's easy to pull you guys out of the woodwork with one comment. So which "trainer" are you worshipping this week?? How much money have you donated to their cause??? Why can't you practice on your own?? You actually need someone to talk you through it??
Great post, and you need to start shooting IDPA with us over our way. We have accountants, but they aren't fat, and they'll be asking you how best to shoot a stage. @dmarbellI think you may have me pegged wrong. I am the last guy in the world who is interested in buying James Yeager Tactical Deep Concealment Panties (TDCP)... or whatever the tactical mall ninjas are buying these days. I have only taken one shooting class in the last 10 years, although I have taught several (I would like to take some, but generally can't afford the ones that I feel would genuinely help me). I am passionate about doing things as well as I can, and am in awe of people who are the best at what they do. Guys like Bob Vogel and Daniel Horner are absolutely the best at what they do. I enjoy watching them practice their craft just as a mid-level college player enjoys watching Lebron James play basketball.
I don't get to shoot as much as before marriage and kid, but still manage to get to the range a couple times a week to practice "on my own". Just as with learning any other skill in the world, having someone to talk you through the learning process can often make huge differences in the learning curve. We all have to decide for ourselves whether we will gain more value from spending our dollars and time on ammo to practice or if attending a class will pay bigger dividends in skill gained. I generally lean toward the ammo side of that equation, but don't begrudge others who seek training (as long as they are not seeking training from some tactical douchebag who will do them more harm than good...Voda comes to mind).
I quit playing I Don't Practice Anymore matches several years ago because I didn't enjoy being told what would not work in the "real world" by a bunch of fat accountants who couldn't shoot themselves in the foot or walk up a flight of stairs in the "real world". While the value of competition shooting in defensive situations is debatable, I think there are tons of examples of guys employing the skills learned from competitive shooters in far-off lands and at home. Nearly without exception, these guys who I have spoken with were very glad to have gotten instruction from guys like Bob Vogel.
I'm sure you've heard stories of the old timer cops finding empty shell casings in their pockets after a shooting. Stowing their brass was the last thing on their mind but you default to your training.I have not been involved in a shooting so I wouldnt know exactly. But how many compettiton shooters have been in a shooting? I am will to bet the 180 rule and unload show clear will be the absolute last things on ones mind
You need to start shooting uspsa with us at Rowan or CGGR!Great post, and you need to start shooting IDPA with us over our way. We have accountants, but they aren't fat, and they'll be asking you how best to shoot a stage. @dmarbell
That's because they were drunk. Ah, the good old days.I'm sure you've heard stories of the old timer cops finding empty shell casings in their pockets after a shooting. Stowing their brass was the last thing on their mind but you default to your training.
...I didn't enjoy being told what would not work in the "real world" by a bunch of fat accountants who couldn't shoot themselves in the foot or walk up a flight of stairs in the "real world".
Touche' dmarbell. I certainly didn't mean to come across as an arrogant prick, but I guess it does sort of read that way. I also didn't mean to imply that I am an expert in "real world" tactics either, far from it.Dayum! Hubris much?
Fieldgrade: thanks for the invite. While I will respectfully decline, but based on other posts that I have seen on this forum from you, I think we would get along just fine. I would probably be the one asking you guys how to shoot stages. I just find that I am more at home at USPSA or 3-gun matches (although I only shoot about one match a month these days).and you need to start shooting IDPA with us over our way. We have accountants, but they aren't fat, and they'll be asking you how best to shoot a stage.
God, it's easy to pull you guys out of the woodwork with one comment. So which "trainer" are you worshipping this week?? How much money have you donated to their cause??? Why can't you practice on your own?? You actually need someone to talk you through it??
God, it's easy to pull you guys out of the woodwork with one comment. So which "trainer" are you worshipping this week?? How much money have you donated to their cause??? Why can't you practice on your own?? You actually need someone to talk you through it??
Touche' dmarbell. I certainly didn't mean to come across as an arrogant prick, but I guess it does sort of read that way. I also didn't mean to imply that I am an expert in "real world" tactics either, far from it.