Cops being ambushed

SPM said:
it's been shone there is no law so trivial that the police won't kill you for not meekly obeying.
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False equivalence. No cop has ever executed anyone for failure to obey a trivial law. Now some people have been killed for their actions after they were stopped for those trivial laws.

As the Duke said, "You call the tune, you pay the piper."
 
SPM said:
Domestic Abuse:

https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-domestic-violence/

https://www.theatlantic.com/nationa...rs-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/

http://www.purpleberets.org/violence_police_families.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=hofstra_law_student_works&ved=2ahUKEwjBsu-atYjsAhUKy1kKHaHbAlgQFjAFegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0J55FkWrX-rhyJDLs1weSi (PDF WARNING)

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Thank you for the references. When I requested them, I should have been more specific and just asked for references on domestic violence. I was not disputing facts regarding alcohol abuse. I recognize alcohol abuse is a severe issue and teach classes regarding mental health and alcohol abuse. Your first three sources on domestic violence cite data from 20 to 30 years ago as their references, and they did not collect the data scientifically. Your last connection is more recent and published in a journal. I will reserve comment on that article until I have had a chance to check the references thoroughly. With what I have seen thus far, the only reference to the percentage of law enforcement involved domestic violence comes from the same 20-30 year flawed data as your other references. You have the right to your opinion; this is America, after all. You claim to be looking at law enforcement objectively and without emotion. You act as if the rest of us aren't capable of doing the same. Many of us use critical thinking skills daily. As I have to others, I will also offer you several ride alongs with my deputies then pass your judgment. And if you want to change law enforcement, the easiest and best way to initiate that change is from within. Join us, become a trainer, and influencer and change what you believe to be wrong.
 
A true classical liberal and supporter of the Constitution sees the necessity of law enforcement while activity fights against clear violations of the BoR by those handing down orders to the rank and file. - Rand Paul comes to mind.

These violations are a lot more complex than "cop bad."
 
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Does it really matter what the stats are? @SPM wouldn't believe them anyway. Hell, he doesn't even believe his own stats because he states all the time that ALL COPS ARE BAD.
Join the force and help make the changes he wants? Ha, that's a good one. He would piss his pants and shoot every perp in sight if they said boo to him. And, he's too busy fighting our tyrannical government to be bothered with actually doing anything. Don't you see him on the news all the time standing up to them? No, I don't either. He's too busy with work, family, submitting to the man by paying his illegal taxes and being a keyboard commando.
 
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Average Joe said:
Thank you for the references. When I requested them, I should have been more specific and just asked for references on domestic violence. I was not disputing facts regarding alcohol abuse. I recognize alcohol abuse is a severe issue and teach classes regarding mental health and alcohol abuse. Your first three sources on domestic violence cite data from 20 to 30 years ago as their references, and they did not collect the data scientifically. Your last connection is more recent and published in a journal. I will reserve comment on that article until I have had a chance to check the references thoroughly. With what I have seen thus far, the only reference to the percentage of law enforcement involved domestic violence comes from the same 20-30 year flawed data as your other references. You have the right to your opinion; this is America, after all. You claim to be looking at law enforcement objectively and without emotion. You act as if the rest of us aren't capable of doing the same. Many of us use critical thinking skills daily. As I have to others, I will also offer you several ride alongs with my deputies then pass your judgment. And if you want to change law enforcement, the easiest and best way to initiate that change is from within. Join us, become a trainer, and influencer and change what you believe to be wrong.
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How does a ride along work? Can I just call up and ask? Gotta fill out paperwork to prove I'm not an escapee from the booby hatch?
 
premise said:
How does a ride along work? Can I just call up and ask? Gotta fill out paperwork to prove I'm not an escapee from the booby hatch?
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I'm sure you can just call and ask then probably sign a waiver. Also ask if you can get a tour of your local jail unless you don't like smells.
 
When I did a ride along, they gave me a bulletproof vest to wear. When we got to the car my son then gave me a handheld radio and a knife and showed me how to get the shotgun out of the holder.
 
premise said:
How does a ride along work? Can I just call up and ask? Gotta fill out paperwork to prove I'm not an escapee from the booby hatch?
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Each Sheriff's Office and police department are different. At my office, you fill out a request form with a liability waiver. We check to make sure you are who you say you are, an adult, and not wanted. Then you are given dates and times for your ride along. I will be happy to get you the request form and any other information from my office. Shoot me a PM with your address, and I will get it in the mail ASAP. Your profile shows Lincoln County, which is about 2 1/2 hours away from my office. If you do not want to travel this far, check with your Sheriff or local police department to see if they offer a ride-along program. Also of interest, some Sheriff and police departments offer a citizens academy (they have many names ours is the STAR Program). Typically the program is 4 to 8 weeks in length and one night a week presentations covering various topics. Such an explanation of how the local government system works, the different functions of the agency, laws, agency policies regarding the use force (my office lets students participate in the use of force scenarios using a simulator), and a ride-along. Due to COVID, the STAR program is on hold.
 
Cowboy said:
I'm sure you can just call and ask then probably sign a waiver. Also ask if you can get a tour of your local jail unless you don't like smells.
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If you come to our Detention Center (jail), I promise you will not believe how clean it is kept. No smells except around mealtimes, and then it depends on what is being prepared as to how far you can smell it throughout the detention center.
 
Average Joe said:
If you come to our Detention Center (jail), I promise you will not believe how clean it is kept. No smells except around mealtimes, and then it depends on what is being prepared as to how far you can smell it throughout the detention center.
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Ours is brand new and if you go anywhere near the holding areas they still smell. It might simply be in my mind because of being around it the last 20 years. The smell of 2-300 men is just gaggingly bad.
 
Cowboy said:
Ours is brand new and if you go anywhere near the holding areas they still smell. It might simply be in my mind because of being around it the last 20 years. The smell of 2-300 men is just gaggingly bad.
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Our old jail under older administrations was horrible. The new one is approximately five years old. We are always getting compliments from state and local inspectors about the condition and cleanliness of the facility. And when we give tours to citizens, they are amazed by what they see, and tell us it is nothing like they pictured. Please do not take these statements to mean it's a pleasant place to be. I a sure it is not. We just run a tight facility and conduct daily inspections.
 
Average Joe said:
Our old jail under older administrations was horrible. The new one is approximately five years old. We are always getting compliments from state and local inspectors about the condition and cleanliness of the facility. And when we give tours to citizens, they are amazed by what they see, and tell us it is nothing like they pictured. Please do not take these statements to mean it's a pleasant place to be. I a sure it is not. We just run a tight facility and conduct daily inspections.
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Same with our jail. The feds had threatened to build one for us if they didn't update the facility. We had a female annex jail that was costing a ridiculous amount to run as well. So they built a new facility and integrated it with the older jail bringing all the inmates under one facility. I'm not entirely sure of capacity but it's around 350+ and room to grow. I stead of sending people out they now take people.
 
J R Green said:
False equivalence. No cop has ever executed anyone for failure to obey a trivial law. Now some people have been killed for their actions after they were stopped for those trivial laws.

As the Duke said, "You call the tune, you pay the piper."
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This is some hardcore hair splitting.

Daniel Shaver was executed by the cops for supposedly not properly playing simon says when already crawling on his hands and knees trying to comply with their confusing/idiotic commands. Just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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SPM said:
Civil nuclear power.

Before that, Naval Nuclear power.

In both, people are cut loose for integrity violations all the time.

A reported domestic abuse rate 4 times the average of non-LEO careers is beyond a small blemish, a little dust, or not being "squeaky clean."

Alcohol and substance abuse by law enforcement officers is also between 20% and 30%, which is 2 or 3 times the average non-LEO. This is beyond a small blemish, a little dust, or not being "squeaky clean."

Each of these things - domestic abuse (lead engineer most recently), alcohol abuse (nuclear work manager most recently), substance abuse (Cycle Planning Supervisor most recently) - gets folks fired from my industry regularly.

Lack or technical acumen gets folks reassigned or let go regularly.

Men and women with 1 year at the company. Men and women with 40 years at the company.

Nuclear power demands integrity as an expectation of being employed - and tolerates nothing less.

Basically, the nature of your reply suggests you're acknowledging that nearly half of cops beat their wives, girlfriends, or children....but insisting that we look the other way because other jobs have sinners too.
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SRS, where I'm at now might be tighter than that.
 
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Average Joe said:
Each Sheriff's Office and police department are different. At my office, you fill out a request form with a liability waiver. We check to make sure you are who you say you are, an adult, and not wanted. Then you are given dates and times for your ride along. I will be happy to get you the request form and any other information from my office. Shoot me a PM with your address, and I will get it in the mail ASAP. Your profile shows Lincoln County, which is about 2 1/2 hours away from my office. If you do not want to travel this far, check with your Sheriff or local police department to see if they offer a ride-along program. Also of interest, some Sheriff and police departments offer a citizens academy (they have many names ours is the STAR Program). Typically the program is 4 to 8 weeks in length and one night a week presentations covering various topics. Such an explanation of how the local government system works, the different functions of the agency, laws, agency policies regarding the use force (my office lets students participate in the use of force scenarios using a simulator), and a ride-along. Due to COVID, the STAR program is on hold.
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Thanks for the offer. Seems a bit far for a ride along, but I'm kind of interested. Definitely don't want to do it in my home county; did a few "ride alongs" in my teen years.

Cowboy said:
Also ask if you can get a tour of your local jail unless you don't like smells.
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Visited folks in jail. It's a soul-crushing place.
 
Bailey Boat said:
Trust me, their aware of the "movement". I received an addendum last week to be added to the Academy Curriculum, all of 2.5 hours devoted to the subject. Avoidance and awareness mainly. Sign of the times.....
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are you seeing more people not driving their service cars home?
 
SPST said:
When I did a ride along, they gave me a bulletproof vest to wear. When we got to the car my son then gave me a handheld radio and a knife and showed me how to get the shotgun out of the holder.
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Wow. Did you like the ride along? Was it scary or interesting or what? How long were you out there for? I've never even been near a cop car.....
 
Millie said:
Wow. Did you like the ride along? Was it scary or interesting or what? How long were you out there for? I've never even been near a cop car.....
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I rode with my son 3 or 4 times when he was a patrol officer. I went for the entire 10 hour shift each time. I only saw a couple of things that I thought may go sideways but thankfully they did not. It definitely gets your adrenaline flowing. The worst part was seeing the children of the morons that he dealt with on a daily basis. He worked the worst part of town and you knew that those poor kids didn't stand much of a chance.
He's on a Human Trafficking and Gang Unit now, so I can't do ride alongs with him anymore.
 
SPST said:
I rode with my son 3 or 4 times when he was a patrol officer. I went for the entire 10 hour shift each time. I only saw a couple of things that I thought may go sideways but thankfully they did not. It definitely gets your adrenaline flowing. The worst part was seeing the children of the morons that he dealt with on a daily basis. He worked the worst part of town and you knew that those poor kids didn't stand much of a chance.
He's on a Human Trafficking and Gang Unit now, so I can't do ride alongs with him anymore.
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I doubt I could do anything for 10 hours. But I might go by the sheriff's office next time I'm in Laurinburg, and see what they say.

I'm glad we have people like your son that can deal with things, and I'm sorry he must have to see such misery daily.
 
All of these gangs must be legally declared domestic terrorist groups.
Membership being punishing with LWOP.


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Millie said:
Wow, I bet that would be awesome! I want to go........
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PM me your information and I will get the information out to you.
 
HMP said:
are you seeing more people not driving their service cars home?
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I only see them during the Academy so I don't have the answer to that question.

IMHO... I wouldn't unless I had a secure place to park it unseen or if it was truly an unmarked unit.

A portion of the 2.5 hours is devoted to how to determine if your being followed and what to do if you think you are..... critical....

This is also being taught during in service training on a local level to present officers as a reminder......
 
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