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Anyone see the news coverage on this? Watching the late news, apparently guy dropped his gun and it went off, walked out, then some other guy tackled him and wrestled in the parking lot. Witness felt it on his neck, has a “scar” and someone else got shot in the leg. WTF?
 
Ferrisfan said:
Another horribly written article.
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I find it fascinating that NC news outlets mess up firearms stories. Surely there’s a “gun person” on staff. Why don’t they run the stories past that person to avoid looking foolish?
 
This actually happened a few weeks ago. A friend somewhat close to the case was telling me about it last weekend and explaining the back and fourth on charges.

The way NC law is written, since the guy didn’t pull the trigger, he can’t be charged with firing within city limits. The guy is from Ohio where they have constitutional carry. Of course NC requires a permit for reciprocity but it can speak to intent. The “injuries” were band-aid worthy, so you can’t claim serious bodily injury.

The old man that tackled him is lucky things didn’t go south for him!
 
Colt 1911 MK4
Shady Grady said:
Wasn't the grip safety invented to make the 1911 drop safe?
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I think the grip safety primarily stops trigger movement. The thumb safety blocks the sear, IIRC. Series 80 guns added a firing pin block, but this was a Series 70 gun. Series 70 guns are still subject to muzzle down drops on hard surfaces due to firing pin inertia. Can be resolved by lightweight firing pins or heavier firing pin springs.
Had a friend prove the firing pin inertia issue by deliberately dropping a new Colt Commander muzzle down on to concrete, from 3ft, with a primed case. He had more money than sense, but he proved a point. I think he went with a Wilson titanium firing pin after that.

ETA - I forgot about the half-cock notch, which will capture the hammer if it becomes disengaged from the sear, but the trigger was not pulled.

The 1911 is actual a very safe gun with multiple safety features.
 
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Jeppo said:
I find it fascinating that NC news outlets mess up firearms stories. Surely there’s a “gun person” on staff. Why don’t they run the stories past that person to avoid looking foolish?
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They clearly don't use editors anymore either.
 
Full size 1911...."fell" out of his pocket 🤔
How big were his pants ....

So...he was carrying cocked - locked then?

Armchair thinking lawyer here but he is guilty of being an idiot and can see negligent discharge regardless if he physically pulled trigger or not....he still put himself and others in danger.

As far as how media sensationalized the story....these type of incidents are just what they pray for with no concerns of how it is presented.....GUN + public carry + discharge= feeding frenzy🤮🤬
 
Yea that poorly written article is basically a transcription of the video segment, so guess they are using AI now unless the witness words were scripted (which I’ll agree is 50/50 at worse).

A couple weeks ago explains the scar part. Was wondering how he has a scar in a day or whatever. I still would like to know how a bullet fired from the drop, grazed a man’s neck, then hit another man’s leg, that’s not a normal trajectory. Otherwise I expected poor reporting but this still was an odd one.
 
Jerzsubbie said:
This actually happened a few weeks ago. A friend somewhat close to the case was telling me about it last weekend and explaining the back and fourth on charges.

The way NC law is written, since the guy didn’t pull the trigger, he can’t be charged with firing within city limits. The guy is from Ohio where they have constitutional carry. Of course NC requires a permit for reciprocity but it can speak to intent. The “injuries” were band-aid worthy, so you can’t claim serious bodily injury.

The old man that tackled him is lucky things didn’t go south for him!
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Thanks for the inside info.

I'm going to take a big hit here, but I do worry about the truly gun ignorant doing stupid stuff like this if we get Constitutional Carry without any kind of basic orientation. And before you start typing "I support 2A but", I'm not advocating a training requirement. I just know there will be more people out there with guns in their pockets, some that have never pulled a trigger, and we should be prepared for that.
 
avenomusduck said:
It's as close as can be now.....all televised media share same script verbatim --- there are many videos out there proving it....
Different talking heads but exactly same delivery and word structure....
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They figured out that most stories are originating from only a couple of sources. We don't have active teams of real investigate reporters anymore.
And almost all "news" organizations across the nation are owned by about six major groups. And they all answer to the CFR (Counsel on Foreign Relations).
AI will make it easier to look diverse.
 
Jeppo said:
I find it fascinating that NC news outlets mess up firearms stories. Surely there’s a “gun person” on staff. Why don’t they run the stories past that person to avoid looking foolish?
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Sadly...

You can pretty much be assured that no employee of ANY news outlet is a "gun person".


There is no "news/journalism" any more Mr.Jeppo... Only " influencers" who "lead" the thoughts of the masses.
Free Thinkers are apparently the minority these days.
 
georgel said:
They figured out that most stories are originating from only a couple of sources. We don't have active teams of real investigate reporters anymore.
And almost all "news" organizations across the nation are owned by about six major groups. And they all answer to the CFR (Counsel on Foreign Relations).
AI will make it easier to look diverse.
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One only has to hang around after the broadcast of "selected information is spoon fed" and watch the end credits of media conglomerates indentifcations to see the small print....."for entertainment purposes"
This will tell you💩💩🤮🤮🤮🤮
 
avenomusduck said:
One only has to hang around after the broadcast of "selected information is spoon fed" and watch the end credits of media conglomerates indentifcations to see the small print....."for entertainment purposes"
This will tell you💩💩🤮🤮🤮🤮
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I wonder how well that would hold up to a legal challenge. The news shows run spots to promote themselves that only suggest a person would be better informed after watching their broadcasts. Maybe they need to update that say "you'll be entertained and gas lighted, turn on the news at 6"
 
Mathieu18 said:
Yea that poorly written article is basically a transcription of the video segment, so guess they are using AI now unless the witness words were scripted (which I’ll agree is 50/50 at worse).

A couple weeks ago explains the scar part. Was wondering how he has a scar in a day or whatever. I still would like to know how a bullet fired from the drop, grazed a man’s neck, then hit another man’s leg, that’s not a normal trajectory. Otherwise I expected poor reporting but this still was an odd one.
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Piss poor journalists 💩💩💩
I saw the "news" segment this morning...older POC was talking about his "scar"....neck tissue wounds are on soft exposed skin...no toughness ...would take a while to go from open wound to scar tissue.
Doubt the scab would be gone in that short amount of time.
And yea, a neck wound followed by a more severe knee wound?????
Spider sense is tingling.....
 
avenomusduck said:
for entertainment purposes
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Interesting, the broadcast companies get free use of public airways (spectrum) because they provide an important public service (news). If they’ve stopped providing that service, they should pay for the spectrum.
 
Mathieu18 said:
I still would like to know how a bullet fired from the drop, grazed a man’s neck, then hit another man’s leg, that’s not a normal trajectory.
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OK. Think slowly. Neck and knee at the same level. Was the guy with the neck injury actually sitting at the table? Or under it?
 
georgel said:
Colt 1911 MK4

I think the grip safety primarily stops trigger movement. The thumb safety blocks the sear, IIRC. Series 80 guns added a firing pin block, but this was a Series 70 gun. Series 70 guns are still subject to muzzle down drops on hard surfaces due to firing pin inertia. Can be resolved by lightweight firing pins or heavier firing pin springs.
Had a friend prove the firing pin inertia issue by deliberately dropping a new Colt Commander muzzle down on to concrete, from 3ft, with a primed case. He had more money than sense, but he proved a point. I think he went with a Wilson titanium firing pin after that.

ETA - I forgot about the half-cock notch, which will capture the hammer if it becomes disengaged from the sear, but the trigger was not pulled.

The 1911 is actual a very safe gun with multiple safety features.
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This is a post from 1911Tuner on Glocktalk concerning model 1905s and the grip safety. Maybe 1911s are different?

I can't seem to find his username on here to tag him so he can clear it up. I'm not doubting what you state about the series 70 guns.

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Have a hard time believing 1911 pocket carry.

Probably this was in an " Uncle Mike's holster " ,worn out ,plastic clip ,no belt....
I've seen people carry like that lots of times 😔. People make some beautiful leather holsters for 1911's that work 100% of the time.

Probably not a bad guy or person.
 
GymB said:
Interesting, the broadcast companies get free use of public airways (spectrum) because they provide an important public service (news). If they’ve stopped providing that service, they should pay for the spectrum.
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Interesting take and I must agree😁🍻
But how can a manipulated, scripted and one sided broadcast announcement be a "public service"?
 
Shady Grady said:
This is a post from 1911Tuner on Glocktalk concerning model 1905s and the grip safety. Maybe 1911s are different?

I can't seem to find his username on here to tag him so he can clear it up. I'm not doubting what you state about the series 70 guns.
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Well, it's a drop safety in the sense it prevents trigger movement, which would disenge the sear and those used to be steel triggers. It does not block the sear as I recall and definitely does not block the firing pin. So, it's all realtive on what you call a drop safety. It fills the intended purpose of preventing the gun from discharging if it leaves the hand, in most cases, as does the half-cock notch.
It really is a masterful design with redundant safety mechanisms and the Series 80's added the firing pin block. But, people didn't like the "feel" of the extra parts, Personally, it never bothered me, but I didn't run and ultra light high, speed low drag trigger.
 
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