Driver Chased Down and Beaten in Portland

OldNascar said:
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Dads. If a head count was given none of these thugs have a live-in dad or one that has a pair. No raising is obvious to these kids and sadly the matter is only getting worse, we are becoming a nation of bastards.
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They end up living with grandma because mom's new BFF wants the kid out of the home. Just like the 'gentle giant' Big Mike.
 
For iPhones and such I’d almost like to build a kinda sorta EMP/degaussing unit that would fit in a backpack and just walk around to the crowd and push an activation button every 5 minutes or so and fry whatever is within 10-15 foot radius.
 
NCFubar said:
For iPhones and such I’d almost like to build a kinda sorta EMP/degaussing unit that would fit in a backpack and just walk around to the crowd and push an activation button every 5 minutes or so and fry whatever is within 10-15 foot radius.
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Are pacemakers EMP proof?
 
B00ger said:
Citation please.
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I will find it, basically 19th century american life expectancy was capped at 50years old, that gave the average person 30 years of family time if they had kids at age 20. BUT disease, duals, Indian attacks, work place mishaps and crap like that would create single parent home. Rolling in the early 20th century the great depression, parents abandoning families and stuff like that. here is one link, not the direct one, but one of them.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/
 
rdinatal said:
Are pacemakers EMP proof?
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It depends on who you talk to ... they are not EMP PROOF but today’s are very resistant to high frequency electrical interference over the past 20 or so years like the old microwave thing ... but I would not bet either way unless I had a pacemaker and then ... well what do you do wear a Faraday jacket?
 
JBoyette said:
I will find it, basically 19th century american life expectancy was capped at 50years old, that gave the average person 30 years of family time if they had kids at age 20. BUT disease, duals, Indian attacks, work place mishaps and crap like that would create single parent home. Rolling in the early 20th century the great depression, parents abandoning families and stuff like that. here is one link, not the direct one, but one of them.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/
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Life expectancy being short was predominantly because infant mortality was high. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040079/life-expectancy-united-states-all-time/

The differentiation being made is a "bastard" is a fatherless child, not a child who's mother and father are still in a partnership relationship despite the father being away at work/war yet still actively contributing to the family unit.
 
And to be clear, there is no argument that arsehole dads, or aresholes in general are a 20th century invention. The difference is the degree to which society at large embraces their arseishness.
 
as others have posted, SF "used to be" a nice place.
my HQ was in Novato, so we usually had meetings in SF.
it started going noticeably downhill about 8 years ago.

my sister, her husband, children and mother-in-law
took a trip to SF 6 years ago, and there was a murder
in front of their super-expensive downtown hotel
at 7 AM while they were checking out.

Seattle (Tacoma) was great when we were there.
Portland had the hippie influence evident, but
mostly they were so drugged out, nothing
dangerous happened that we saw.

the people i know that still live in or about SF
say the city now stinks, literally. smells bad.
 
B00ger said:
To add, through the vast majority of US history the family structure was the economic basis of the country. Country started off largely agrarian and large families were required to tend farms. Children were considered an economic asset as they provided labor and assurance that care could be kept for parents in their old age. No Social Security and old folks homes like we have now. If you look at some of the family sizes in the 1700-1800s it is not uncommon to find familes with 10-20 kids, and they werent all "bastards". The only historical basis for a "one parent parenting" could only loosely be rooted in the mother being the central home figure while the father was the breadwinner which would be more akin to "absentee father due to seeking work". But as soon as kids were old enough to swing a hoe or toss feed to chickens it was off to work they go.

The peak family size hit around 1860-1920 as infant mortality rates dropped yet large families were still valued. This didn't start to decline until industrialization which began creating work for women outside the home and moved children from an asset to a liability.

What has happened since the 60's, however, has been a growing push to destroy the family structure by offering incentives for single parent households. Some public assistance isnt available for homes with two parents, so there is an incentive to not get married or "I'll lose my monthly check"...and then add on "if I have another baby I'll get more money each month." Couple this with a growing acceptance of "baby daddy" and "babby momma" not being a negative. And a point that was made to me once was seeing how many are effectively raised by grandparents as primary care givers led to the question "If you did such a crap job as a parent that your own children are not (or will not) take care of their own responsibilities, how qualified are you to continue that with yet another generation.

What we are ulitmately seeing is the horrid effects of a few generations of people who have traded the economic possibilities of a strong central family coupled with a dedicated work ethic for a life of mediocrity based on maximizing government hand outs.
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Social services makes it a point to tell mother’s if they get married there benefits could end. So marriage becomes a negative but yet boyfriends move in and the money continues to roll. I have friends that had nice jobs and the female got government assistance for the three kids- daycare, housing at one point, WIC. They had a nice 18 foot boat, a new Lexus, $10,000.00 motorcycle, solid 401k investments. Still not married and raising two grandkids with taxpayer money. Living the dream.
 
BlackGun said:
Social services makes it a point to tell mother’s if they get married there benefits could end. So marriage becomes a negative but yet boyfriends move in and the money continues to roll. I have friends that had nice jobs and the female got government assistance for the three kids- daycare, housing at one point, WIC. They had a nice 18 foot boat, a new Lexus, $10,000.00 motorcycle, solid 401k investments. Still not married and raising two grandkids with taxpayer money. Living the dream.
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People suck.
 
I was talking to the wife last night and we discussed the fact that in general people have built a comfortable veneer of kindness around themselves. One where people deal with each other with respect and integrity. Due to distance/neighborhoods/friendship circles we fail to realize that there is a not small percentage of the population to which violence is a valid means of advancement. Not only valid, often celebrated. Their ability to cause others pain for personal benefit is not a moral issue, but a sign of strength and competence in their circle.

What we are seeing, more and more, is a clash between those who actually feel their neighbors are all as nice as they are coming into direct contact with those who have zero ramifications for causing pain to get their way. We have even seen it >inside< these events where "woke" participants have jumped in to help, only to find themselves on the wrong end of a curb stomping, theft, or destruction of their own property.

Sadly, there is no negotiating with this level of what we would consider depravity, only meeting violence with decisive action.

Do not get out of your car.
Do not stop your car.
Do not open the door.
Do not attend a rally thinking "They will embrace me because I want to help them!"
Do not attempt to roadside reason with them.

Avoid, evade, escape. And do absolutely whatever you have to do to make it happen. If it can be done with no one getting hurt, but if someone is to get hurt take the needed steps to ensure that its the other guy and his tribe.
 
It might be time to put dash cams in your personal car and wear a body can too. I know a lot of folks already have them in their personal cars.
 
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This happend a block away from the building I used to work at a decade ago.. very troubling to see.

I would very much like to see these people get what they got coming, but it wont ever happen in Pdx. Way too lefty.
 
B00ger said:
I was talking to the wife last night and we discussed the fact that in general people have built a comfortable veneer of kindness around themselves. One where people deal with each other with respect and integrity. Due to distance/neighborhoods/friendship circles we fail to realize that there is a not small percentage of the population to which violence is a valid means of advancement. Not only valid, often celebrated. Their ability to cause others pain for personal benefit is not a moral issue, but a sign of strength and competence in their circle.

What we are seeing, more and more, is a clash between those who actually feel their neighbors are all as nice as they are coming into direct contact with those who have zero ramifications for causing pain to get their way. We have even seen it >inside< these events where "woke" participants have jumped in to help, only to find themselves on the wrong end of a curb stomping, theft, or destruction of their own property.

Sadly, there is no negotiating with this level of what we would consider depravity, only meeting violence with decisive action.

Do not get out of your car.
Do not stop your car.
Do not open the door.
Do not attend a rally thinking "They will embrace me because I want to help them!"
Do not attempt to roadside reason with them.

Avoid, evade, escape. And do absolutely whatever you have to do to make it happen. If it can be done with no one getting hurt, but if someone is to get hurt take the needed steps to ensure that its the other guy and his tribe.
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Best post of the year. People need to read this.
 
At at this moment there are thousands of citizens in Portland living quiet lives and minding their own business. But I would not be surprised if many are prepared to defend their homes and families against these miscreants. As long as this turmoil stays in the urban downtown areas these punks are safe. Once they leave the security of concrete buildings and bright lit streets and start marching into the 'burbs they will catch hell from landscaped yards, rooftops, darkened windows, and dead end cul de sacs. Their idea of safely being able to burn, loot, and intimidate innocents with impunity will come to a quick and violent end.
 
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MacEntyre said:
FIFY!


How would that have helped the feller who was beaten? He needed a pistol in his lap and some extra mags.QUOTE]
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It could help the next guy in that situation to prove that he didn't intentionally drive through the protesters. It could show that your use of your vehicle or firearm was indeed self defense. It could have also helped the guy in the video had he used his vehicle as a self defense weapon to extricate himself from that situation. But, we don't know exactly what happened in his situation because he didn't have one
 
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Combat Diver said:
Guy beaten seems to be recovering. PPD has released a statement that they will NOT arrest the kicker based on a internet video! Guess CCTV footage, dash cams and body cams are not evidence either now.


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CD
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Yes they are ... when the protesters, criminals or such are the “victims”.
 
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Combat Diver said:
Guy beaten seems to be recovering. PPD has released a statement that they will NOT arrest the kicker based on a internet video! Guess CCTV footage, dash cams and body cams are not evidence either now.


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CD
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You can bet that internet video would be used if it was a PPD officer doing the kicking.
 
Combat Diver said:
Guy beaten seems to be recovering. PPD has released a statement that they will NOT arrest the kicker based on a internet video! Guess CCTV footage, dash cams and body cams are not evidence either now.


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CD
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can you link the PPD statement. your google-fu skills are stronger than mine.

I'm assuming they mean they won't arrest until after they have a more thorough investigation, not that they definitely won't arrest and definitely will not use video as evidence.

thanks!
 
Combat Diver said:
Guy beaten seems to be recovering. PPD has released a statement that they will NOT arrest the kicker based on a internet video! Guess CCTV footage, dash cams and body cams are not evidence either now.


(pissed off)
CD
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As I said above...the violence some people are capable of is at times restrained slightly by the possibility of reprisal. But when people see that they can get away with it, it removes that hurdle. This is specifically why things are getting worse and not better. People will continue to see citizens kicked square in the face, live, on TV, with the kicker identified and well known...with no repurcussions and will further become emboldened. This fire is being fed largely by a mass of "supporters" from the left who feel that "you cant judge the whole of the protesters by a few, just like you cant judge all cops by the actions of one" while totally missing that the BLM movement and all of this have killed, maimed, and destroyed more lives in the past 3 months than their local PD has since they first issued badges.
 
B00ger said:
As I said above...the violence some people are capable of is at times restrained slightly by the possibility of reprisal. But when people see that they can get away with it, it removes that hurdle. This is specifically why things are getting worse and not better. People will continue to see citizens kicked square in the face, live, on TV, with the kicker identified and well known...with no repurcussions and will further become emboldened. This fire is being fed largely by a mass of "supporters" from the left who feel that "you cant judge the whole of the protesters by a few, just like you cant judge all cops by the actions of one" while totally missing that the BLM movement and all of this have killed, maimed, and destroyed more lives in the past 3 months than their local PD has since they first issued badges.
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I knew a man who got the heck beat out of him and the criminal got a week in jail before bail then didn’t even have to pay for hospital bills. Just a restraining order to stay away. Next time they came face to face the criminal got a hole in his face and was deceased. Ruled justified due to the restraining order. He did retain an attorney which cost him $5000 but no charges after two weeks.

The interesting part of the story is the victim intentionally put himself in front of the dead man. Everyone in the hood then never messed with the shooter. Except me unfortunately. I never knew the story and we had an argument and I body slammed him onto concrete when he swung. He ran to his car to get his gun and the other bros said run. Luckily it was a large manufacturing plant and I hid as he walked around with a 357 revolver. We became friends and played tennis together. I was 17 at the time. He was 30. There are ways to get true justice.
 
Crazy Carl said:
LBJ called it.
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I referenced that one time to a hardcore democrat, he didn't believe me so I googled it to prove it to him. He then wanted to fight me for even bringing it up. This all came up because he said how disappointed he was in his son we he said he was a Libertarian and supporting Ron Paul.
 
DCGallim said:
I referenced that one time to a hardcore democrat, he didn't believe me so I googled it to prove it to him. He then wanted to fight me for even bringing it up. This all came up because he said how disappointed he was in his son we he said he was a Libertarian and supporting Ron Paul.
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i need enlightenment about the comment please
 
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