I know, its an msn story, but figured some here might find it interesting.
The Army needs to recruit a bunch of Goose and Duck hunters.
One advantage is they aren't waterfowl, so no lead-free requirement.So ... tactical birdshot = "drone shot."
You won't be able to hit these drones with a shotgun. Amature drones can do 100mph plus, the gov probably breaks the 200mph mark. You won't see them coming unfortunately.
Fastballs don't do loop de loops.And fastballs run in the 95 mph range and get hit with a bat. Sometimes.
Fastballs don't do loop de loops.
Are they autonomous? GPS more likely, that signal can be jammed alsoDoes jamming do any good against autonomous drones? I don’t think so. Remote controlled certainly, but autonomous drones done need radio. Sophisticated ones would even be able to overcome GOS jamming.
I believe they are capable of both. I know it can and has been done, and I would be very surprised if our tax money wasn’t buying that capability. The swarming behavior requires close range communication between the drones of course. But find any person at map location X and blow up right next to them? Or check face recognition first for this person and then blow up? Easily autonomous. Even google maps has enough landmarks to navigate visually, especially from the air. And the maps for the route can be downloaded out of the jamming area.Are they autonomous? GPS more likely, that signal can be jammed also
Suicide drones!Or check face recognition first for this person and then blow up?
either way, autonomous or not, encrypted or not, they can be jammed.
Well, yes, of course. It certainly isn’t a joke. A few ounces of C4 in a $1000 drone is a CHEAP guided missile.Suicide drones!
Dronikazes!
If they aren’t using radio of any kind how can they be jammed? Inertial and/or visual landmark recognition for navigation. Face recognition for target id. Sure they’ll have GPS but they can function just fine without, say in large buildings for example (or when GPS is jammed).
All well within readily available consumer technology.
I suppose a strong enough EMP like signal could disrupt or damage one but who has that? And if I did am I willing to fry everything else around also?
And let’s say they can be jammed. Other than .mil, who has that capability? If you did, you can’t leave it on all the time (it’s a giant radio beacon demanding attention). So you have to have it and have enough warning to know you need to turn it on. And if you do, they send backup when the drones back off (you probably didn’t disable the whole swarm because if you waited that long you’re dead) or they lose contact with them. And if there is a swarm attacking odds are there is a stand-off recon drone higher up that you can’t see. Maybe it has an air to ground missile even.
Realize that these are military weapons not DJI drones. With effectively unlimited budgets behind them. They will be designed for RF silence so that other militaries can’t sense them that way, to operate in jammed environments (because our mil can and will be jamming, and will expect opfors to do so), and therefore will be/are (literally) overkill for any use against non-mil opposition.
I am positive that at least the US (and probably NATO by extension) and China are at or beyond what I just outlined, because it isn’t hard technically and it would be suicidal not to develop such an obvious and game-changing capability, along with countermeasures (I am guessing this will be one of the first practical applications of lasers, and least for defending vehicles or fixed locations - drones just aren’t that tough).
Yes, jammers are pretty simple if you know what you need to jam. But they still paint a big target on your location.curious if you read the last part of my post?
but i will add, i don’t see why it wouldn’t work, the camera and mapping flight.
and you’d be surprise how little knowledge and equipment it takes to create and run a jammer.
If they aren’t using radio of any kind how can they be jammed? Inertial and/or visual landmark recognition for navigation. Face recognition for target id. Sure they’ll have GPS but they can function just fine without, say in large buildings for example (or when GPS is jammed).
I would bet DARPA is already working it out.
Now you are just changing the argument. Jamming is radio frequency stuff. Jamming a camera? Seriously? Other than a radar controlling a laser painting the drone to overload the camera (only if the camera is pointed at the laser), I have no idea how to do that. Do you?To be effective, drones must have some sort of sensory input. Even drones with onboard control systems need to be responsive to their environment.
If they need external signals of some kind, either remote controlling signals or active guidance signals, then those can be jammed.
If they have facial recognition capability, then the visual sensors can be jammed or spoofed.
If they have infrared tracking capabilities, then those can be jammed or spoofed.
If they use sonic sensors to map their surroundings, then they can be jammed.
A ballistic drone isn't much of a threat. We have better systems to deliver credible force on target than blind drones that cannot respond to their environment.
Out of curiosity, where are you getting the 3YO date? If one links to the "NTC Lead 6 Twitter" it appears to have been posted on 11SEP 2022.am i reading the article right?
they posted a piece yesterday about a training exercise 3 years ago?
And fastballs run in the 95 mph range and get hit with a bat. Sometimes.
Out of curiosity, where are you getting the 3YO date? If one links to the "NTC Lead 6 Twitter" it appears to have been posted on 11SEP 2022.
NTC Lead 6
@NTCLead6
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Sep 11
At sunrise this morning a swarm of 40 quadcopters all equipped with cameras, MILES, and lethal munition capable launched in advance of 11th ACR’s attack on a prepared defense by 1AD. Drones will be as important in the first battle of the next war as artillery is today.
Now you are just changing the argument. Jamming is radio frequency stuff. Jamming a camera? Seriously? Other than a radar controlling a laser painting the drone to overload the camera (only if the camera is pointed at the laser), I have no idea how to do that. Do you?
A directional camera is not at all like, or jammable like, a radio with an omnidirectional (mostly) antenna.
like i said, i may have mis read something but this was later in the article
Ummm...yes, jamming a camera.
Light is just another part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Optical sensors are easily foiled and damaged with lasers. And yes, I do know how such is done, because lasers are most excellent for directed scanning. You don't have to maintain a tiny laser beam stead on a tiny optical sensor over a distance. You can pump out whatever power and frequences you need and scan the target with the laser.
In fact, we have laser tracking systems which do just that....scan and track.
And a "directional camera" isn't much use if it isn't pointable in use. That, in itself, makes it vulnerable to defensive laser technologies.
And the ball is required to fly in a very small window, from which it gets hit...And fastballs run in the 95 mph range and get hit with a bat. Sometimes.
Anti-drone drones. Coordinated to swarm and attack other drone and explode in contact or close proximity.If I was fielding this, my first wave would use launched/air deployed unpowered drone shells/gliders on ballistic courses, armoured and hardened to jamming and EMP as much as is practical, using optical and non GPS navigation and would be programmed for terminal guidance to detonate as close to the emitters that are producing the jamming signal as possible.
Then you send in a larger wave of cheaper, unhardened powered agile drones to explode on the now less protected targets.
Sure, but again changing the premises of the discussion. At least I thought this was about how the average Joe could try to defend against something like this - hence shotguns and relatively simple/cheap RF jammers. Nothing like what you are talking about is affordable by, available to, or buildable by average Joe, even though I understand they exist in US .mil context. Which kind of proves my point once again. They have drones we can’t stop and countermeasures than can stop any drones that aren’t .mil.