Francis Scott Key bridge in Baltimore taken out by a cargo ship last night.

I know dredging and towing...ship assist is a whole nother animal and get to watch tractor tugs assist almost daily .
Unsure why or where any assist tugs were / were not in place ......some use and surprisingly many do not!
We are sending one of our 500 ton heavy lift cranes already underway to move the debris ...
 
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You’ll never believe it. There’s been more bad luck with the Dali and the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse. The Maritime Executive ran the story yesterday headlined “NTSB Releases "Black Box" Timeline of Baltimore Bridge Strike.”

The news is, after the Biden Administration and the FBI conclusively ruled out any terrorist involvement, the NTSB received the Dali’s black box, analyzed it, and found that the data from the one key minute never got recorded. It’s kind of like Nixon’s missing cassette tape section, or like how the Jeffrey Epstein suicide video cut off. Here’s the story, note the highlighted sentence:

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Oh well. Who needs that missing minute anyway? I suppose it doesn’t matter since they already know it wasn’t a cyberattack. And people, please, stop spreading misinformation that every time something bad happens it must be the result of a cyber attack. I don’t know how you guys could possibly get that idea.

Well, except for this (Wall Street Journal):

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Or this (Reuters):

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Or this (AP):

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Or this (CPO Magazine):

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Or this (Guardian):

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Or this (right down the road!) (WESH-Orlando):

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How could we possibly get the idea that the Dali’s tragic and mysterious loss of electrical power and its computer systems, which also shut down its electronic black box recorder, just at the right time to cause maximum damage, how could that possibly be a cyberattack?

Maybe, and I’m just spitballing here, maybe it’s because they’ve been crying about cyberattacks every ten seconds for the last year? Could that have anything to do with it? Hmm?

Yet somehow, in spite of a year’s worth of intel about myriads of potential cyberattacks, within just five or six hours after the collision, before looking at the black box or even knowing who the crew was, nevermind interviewing them, the entire federal government was 100% sure that it was a complete accident.

Here’s the best description I’ve seen describing what might have happened on board. I bet this is what we’ll probably hear whenever they finally release a meaningful report. Note that I can’t confirm that Mr. Buckely is what or who he says he is (nor do I have reason to question it):

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Buckley’s explanation, while illuminating, does not shed any light on the crucial question of what caused the ship to lose power at that precise moment? We will probably never know for sure. Cyberattacks don’t leave marks or fingerprints. If it was a cyberattack, it may not be detectable at all. Nor would they tell us anyway, since official lying seems justified because claiming these incidents were accidents allegedly defeats the terrorists’ goals of causing fear and panic.
 
Two points about this incident. I’ve read in various places that some of the USN ship collisions in recent years may have not been strictly incompetence but possibly computer hacking. Secondly shouldn’t the ship company and their insurance be on the hook for this and not the taxpayers? Just musing.
 
NCnative said:
Secondly shouldn’t the ship company and their insurance be on the hook for this and not the taxpayers?
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They are. Or likely will be. Doesn't mean the taxpayer won't get screwed because of it though.

Taxpayers will pay. Taxes will go up because of it. Gov will get reimbursed by the insurance companies but instead of giving it back to the taxpayers or lowering taxes, they'll see it as a windfall to further line their pockets. Wait and see how much the tolls go up once the new bridge is done.

Adding screenshot so we can compare old vs new toll structure

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NCnative said:
Secondly shouldn’t the ship company and their insurance be on the hook for this and not the taxpayers? Just musing.
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Taxpayers don't have lobbyists, insurance companies and ship owners do. It's not like your votes actually mean anything any more.
 
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Stout said:
www.businessinsider.com

The ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge carried 764 tons of hazardous material, and some containers have been breached, NTSB says

NTSB chief Jennifer Homendy said her team saw a "sheen on the waterway" but aren't sure how much of the material may have entered the Patapsco River.
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The ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge carried 764 tons of hazardous material, and some containers have been breached, NTSB says​

Matthew Loh
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This just keeps getting better.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Taxpayers don't have lobbyists, insurance companies and ship owners do. It's not like your votes actually mean anything any more.
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Insurance companies would probably also want a very thorough investigation to ensure they are truly liable for the claim payment.
 
DurhamDad said:
Insurance companies would probably also want a very thorough investigation to ensure they are truly liable for the claim payment.
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You mean a more in depth forensic type above and beyond what the current administration has already most likely signed off on 🤔😳
 
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You mean a more in depth forensic type above and beyond what the current administration has already most likely signed off on 🤔😳
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I have little doubt that several very brilliant parts of our government/military/intelligence services already have a very good idea of exactly what happened. The question is whether that will be made public in a credible way.

By coming out with ridiculously early, absolute pronouncements that it wasn't a cyber attack after years of building a message that cyberattacks like this are coming, especially in the past 6-12 months, it's almost like they want us to think they are making it up.
 
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Two heads of the same coin. We need to be prepared for the discomfort but we can’t be aware of the weakness.
 
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www.businessinsider.com

I steered ships like the Dali for 13 years. Entering and leaving a port is extremely challenging — here's what should have been done in Baltimore.

A former ship captain steering large vessels describes the complicated process of port entry and exit and what happens in an emergency.
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Interesting,

will have an emergency generator. This will start about 45 seconds after the ship's power has failed.
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There are reports out that state there are 2 ~ 3 back-up systems on this ship or ships like this.

Someone knows how this ship was setup, but,,,,,,,,,,,,


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I have a question about container ships, like the Dali.

Is there cargo in holds under the containers?
 
Gardner said:
I have a question about container ships, like the Dali.

Is there cargo in holds under the containers?
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Yep, they use a rack system in multiple cargo holds to stow many more containers under the “deck”. Usually the heavier containers are stowed in the sub-deck racks while the lighter ones above … the center of gravity maintenance thing.
 
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heard news blurb today of channels being opened for some ship traffic... and depth was "only" 14 feet.... Certainly would limit the size of the ship...
anyone know the draft of the Dalia or similar sized vessels? Interesting vid above... distinctive "accent"
 
llaht said:
heard news blurb today of channels being opened for some ship traffic... and depth was "only" 14 feet.... Certainly would limit the size of the ship...
anyone know the draft of the Dalia or similar sized vessels? Interesting vid above... distinctive "accent"
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Dali:
984 feet long
157 feet wide
18 foot draft
 
llaht said:
heard news blurb today of channels being opened for some ship traffic... and depth was "only" 14 feet.... Certainly would limit the size of the ship...
anyone know the draft of the Dalia or similar sized vessels? Interesting vid above... distinctive "accent"
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Not anything official, but I read something about 45 feet.
 
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