Francis Scott Key bridge in Baltimore taken out by a cargo ship last night.

Biden said he traveled that bridge many times by car and train. Yes he did say that.
Joe said that his Secy. of Transportation is on the scene.
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Button Pusher said:
Biden said he traveled that bridge many times by car and train. Yes he did say that.
Joe said that his Secy. of Transportation is on the scene.
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What's Buttchug going to do?

Carry the cars across using a written list of his anonymous bathroom stall body count?
 
As a nearly 25 year heavy equipment mechanic watching the videos makes me very suspicious of this being an accident.
I first thought there's no way the steering and the drive propulsion would fail at the same time because they operate on separate systems. That made me start digging to learn about how these systems work.
After the first power outage the smoke stack starts bellowing black smoke which means its getting a lot of fuel & doesn't stop during the second power outage & continues until it hits the bridge. That tells me the engine did not lose power during the second power outage & was under a high fuel command while the primary lighting lost power again. It looked to me like the thruster was making the ship turn.

These systems are controlled by "process controllers" basically just industrial computers, they have multiple access points they can be controlled by like on the helm, out on the bridge, at the main controller in the control room, & some can be wireless. So the idea of somebody briefly taking control of the ship is not far fetched in any way.

I also ONCE worked on equipment that activated 100% on its own when the master power was disconnected. I swore it was possessed. But more likely a failed capacitor was supplying power to a circuit through a failed diode. Mechanical failure does happen. But which is more likely in this day & age?

I know where I'm placing my bet.
 
Has anyone said the C-word yet? @pinkbunny are there any whispers in that arena that you can talk about?
 
I’m gonna go with the multiple factors creating more than the sum of the parts here …

The lack of or substandard maintenance (time down for maintenance means the ship isn’t moving cargo and making money).

The rush to get underway … again if she ain’t moving cargo she ain’t making money. The captain or ship’s master are pushed to make way before all the i’s are dotted and t’s crossed … pencil whip the checklists.

Untrained or improperly train people in positions (on the ship’s bridge and in other control rooms) they should not be. Again money talks … fill positions with cheap labor and train them enough to get stuff moving.

Personally I think all or some of the above came together at 1:25am and cause a catastrophic event where those on the ship’s bridge panicked and while they tried to react properly (at least they did send out the warning that closed the bridge) they did not react properly and possibly lost control even further. The ship appeared to almost veer with the stern coming around due to whatever maneuver they preformed (especially when they gunned the engines) and head in an even more direct path toward the bridge pier structure. Ships even smaller than those cargo monsters do not turn on a dime so there was a major shift in steering … was it from panicking or was it from human error (be it rushing or maybe lack of training)? Anyway when they all came together the result was exponentially worse.
 
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We landed KLM & Delta airlines sucks donkey kong.
“You can make your next flight”. 3 extremely athletic men at a full run through the airport. Delta was aware there was a group of us from a late plane & they wouldn’t hold the doors two minutes. We were able to see them close the doors.
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I’ve gotten that second place medal a few times.
 
 
Frack N Cylons said:
Oh jeez here we go
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Container ships easy to hack, track, send off course and even sink, security experts say

New research from Pen Test Partners shows just how vulnerable container ships are to hacking--including being steered off course and sunk. Always-on satellite communications and general lax security practices are to blame.
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Container ships easy to hack, track, send off course and even sink, security experts say​

June 5, 2018 18:14 by Elizabeth Montalbano

Modern container ships already face a number of serious perils at sea. Now new research from Pen Test Partners shows just how vulnerable these ships are to new dangers from hacking–including being steered off course and sunk–thanks to their use of always-on satellite communications and general lax security practices on board.

Pen Test Partners (PTP), a penetration testing and security services firm, demonstrated a number of methods for hacking into the satcom systems of ships, which can allow bad actors access to shipboard systems and wreak potential havoc for the vessels and the shipping industry.
 
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Someone hacked it...

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It should be easy to find out things like throttle position and which direction you have the propellors engaged. If they can track it in my tractor trailer I'm sure they can in a ship. If it's full reverse, they are trying to stop it. If not, well..... Twice in the video I saw it looked like they pushed the engine hard and put off a lot of extra smoke.

But like a tractor trailer, once you initiate a move and it's the wrong one it's even harder to correct. Do that in water and I bet it's even more difficult. Power coming and going to necessary equipment, I can't even imagine.

I would not put money on, or be surprised, by either outcome.
 
np307 said:
I dont think some of yall conspiracy pushers understand how difficult it is to steer a ship like that with no power.
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I dont think some of yall conspiracy pushers understand how difficult it is to steer a ship like that with no power.
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Look at the smoke. It accelerates just before it hits.

 
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ColKurtz said:
Low information reporter: 11 million annually maybe. It’s still going to be a pain getting around it. Wonder when we will start seeing ‘supply chain’ issues related to this.
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There are two bridges that cover the same area in Baltimore, they both go to the same places basically, there is also the Bay Bridge.
You can also just drive around 695 (Baltimore beltway) to get to the same location.
Traffic will be a little worse, but it already sucked.
 
MacEntyre said:
...if the power went out, it would have been difficult to keep the ship headed to a target, if it was a terrorist act. Where it went was determined by wind, tide and bad luck.
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Changed my mind. The collision clearly was not the result of wind, tide and bad luck. They made a sudden, sharp turn with the rudders, not bow thrusters, as indicated by the fact that the stern swung instead of the bow. At the same time, they poured the coals to her, and kept her stack smokin' until she hit. Looks to me like the "power" outages turned off the lights, but did not keep those in control from hitting the target. The outages and the mayday call make for plausible deniability. It's very hard to see that sequence as an accident.

If it were an accident, they would have poured the coals to her, but they would have reversed and kept the rudder straight, so as to stop. Instead, the ship accelerated full speed ahead while turning sharply to starboard.
 
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Look at the smoke. It accelerates just before it hits.

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If the smoke is the main engines coming back on, they would be turning the screws in opposite directions to turn the ship. But almost certainly the smoke is from the emergency generators kicking on. But whatever, you keep reading your sources, I'm sure you have super secret inside info I wouldn't understand.
 
As mentioned above, I am from Baltimore. I don’t like the Maryland politics any more than you all do. I moved to NC to get away from all that nonsense.

The Key Bridge was a part of us. It was vital to the city and surrounding counties. It was a fixture in our city.

Today hurts.
 
NCMedic said:
Oh, say can you see they didn't see it in the dawn's early light?

Too soon?
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Too soon is 15 minutes before it happened.

I was a boyscout in the late 1980’s. We went on a tour there, the guard had a major hairlip and was hilarious to listen as he tried to sing the song. Me and my buddy Tim were laughing so hard…
 
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