Gun Laws Don't Stop Crime

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Even some Democrats are starting to figure this out.


Doesn't matter to them, obviously.

Why is this obvious?

Because they're STILL democrats, even with that knowledge.

Which means they either don't care, don't have strong feelings about this, or have other democrat platform issues which keep them voting democrat.
 
Seversl years ago there was a great American documentary on HBO called The Wire, that convinced me that big city politics is a never ending spiral of stupidity, corruption, and incompetence. I just extended that idea to all cities and stay out as much as I can.
 
No. No they do not. I don't know what I can add to this statement that hasn't been said already in a much more verbose manner in previous threads.
 
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Democrats want gun laws to disarm and take over America. Without that they donā€™t stand a chance .

There are 330,000,000 Americans. Those Americans own ~400,000,000 firearms, and that number is growing pretty fast. Are there really morons that believe that American can EVER be disarmed?



As far as gun laws stopping crime, I agree with this guy:

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There are 330,000,000 Americans. Those Americans own ~400,000,000 firearms, and that number is growing pretty fast. Are there really morons that believe that American can EVER be disarmed?



As far as gun laws stopping crime, I agree with this guy:

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Do you remember the movies of the Jews running down into trenches they were forced to dig. The millions dead in the killing fields. The tens of millions dead in Russia. The hundreds of millions dead in china . All where there were guns available. Donā€™t ever think it canā€™t happen or you are half way to failure. Itā€™s your gun he wants . He has no intentions of giving his up.
 
Do you remember the movies of the Jews running down into trenches they were forced to dig. The millions dead in the killing fields. The tens of millions dead in Russia. The hundreds of millions dead in china . All where there were guns available. Donā€™t ever think it canā€™t happen or you are half way to failure. Itā€™s your gun he wants . He has no intentions of giving his up.
I've seen those movies. If you think that Americans would put down 400 million guns, or 200 million, and run into ditches to die, OK. But I disagree. Whether or not I think it could happen won't effect if it will or not. Police departments, especially in the South wouldn't participate and the gov't couldn't do it without the military. Besides being unconstitutional, 1/2+ wouldn't follow those unlawful orders. Again, this is all in MY mind, and again, thinking this way doesn't mean I'm not mentally prepared for other possible outcomes.
 
I've seen those movies. If you think that Americans would put down 400 million guns, or 200 million, and run into ditches to die, OK. But I disagree. Whether or not I think it could happen won't effect if it will or not. Police departments, especially in the South wouldn't participate and the gov't couldn't do it without the military. Besides being unconstitutional, 1/2+ wouldn't follow those unlawful orders. Again, this is all in MY mind, and again, thinking this way doesn't mean I'm not mentally prepared for other possible outcomes.
Does it not look like they are trying to form a military that follows there orders ? Instead of swearing to defend the constitution and the people as they do now. You are right , war is coming . How many will die and who will win is yet to be determined.
 
Police departments, especially in the South wouldn't participate and the gov't couldn't do it without the military. Besides being unconstitutional, 1/2+ wouldn't follow those unlawful orders.
Man!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope and pray you are right........................................................and too...................We'll both be prepared if not.
 
Does it not look like they are trying to form a military that follows there orders ? Instead of swearing to defend the constitution and the people as they do now. You are right , war is coming . How many will die and who will win is yet to be determined.
The first battles....."Lexington and Concord".....will stir the armed masses. Whomever is pulling the gov't strings will be stopped quickly when they see where it's heading.
 
There are 330,000,000 Americans. Those Americans own ~400,000,000 firearms, and that number is growing pretty fast. Are there really morons that believe that American can EVER be disarmed?



As far as gun laws stopping crime, I agree with this guy:

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Being armed is one thing. Being willing to use those arms in a real SHTF situation is another. Not every gun owner has the backbone for it.

So I'll see your Jeff Cooper and raise you one John Wayne.




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Being armed is one thing. Being willing to use those arms in a real SHTF situation is another. Not every gun owner has the backbone for it.

So I'll see your Jeff Cooper and raise you one John Wayne.




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I too love Big John......But he was an actor....................The Colonel was the real deal.
 
There are 330,000,000 Americans. Those Americans own ~400,000,000 firearms, and that number is growing pretty fast. Are there really morons that believe that American can EVER be disarmed?
You ever stop and think about how many cities we here at CFF offset in terms of the "a gun for every man woman and child" idea?
I hear we're up to ~7000 members now... assuming all of us have just one rifle, pistol, and shotgun each... that's enough for 14,000 extra people, or 21,000...
meanwhile, I have a rifle, a shotgun, an ar pistol, a regular pistol, and a half-built rifle dedicated for laser training all sitting within a few feet of me in JUST THIS room. Oh, and a pistol in my pocket too...

so yeah, i'm trying to boost those numbers up...
 
You ever stop and think about how many cities we here at CFF offset in terms of the "a gun for every man woman and child" idea?
I hear we're up to ~7000 members now... assuming all of us have just one rifle, pistol, and shotgun each... that's enough for 14,000 extra people, or 21,000...
meanwhile, I have a rifle, a shotgun, an ar pistol, a regular pistol, and a half-built rifle dedicated for laser training all sitting within a few feet of me in JUST THIS room. Oh, and a pistol in my pocket too...

so yeah, i'm trying to boost those numbers up...
Back in Illinois we had a NRA rep (before they totally burned everyone and Wayne's suits and vacations were public knowledge) that was the kind of guy who ordered ammo by the pallet. This guy was in the capital lobbying against some measure and he told the representatives that when the local police need guns for something bigger than what they're equipped for they visit him. I'm not sure if that was hyperbole, but I did see photos of the pallets of ammo in his garage. I suspect we've got more than a few of these types on this board.
 
The problem with all this bravado is the stark reality that the government, and the political parties controlling it, is long-term. Politicians come and go. People come and go. But the government and political parties? They just go on and on and on.

Name an effective organization, hell even an ineffective organization, that has been around as long as the government and both major political parties and for which the just interests of the people are at it's heart.

The problem with such organizations is, ironically, people themselves. Put people into positions of power and authority and watch what happens over time as such groups grow in size and power. What you ALWAYS end up with are groups like governments and political parties. Always.

Four hundred million privately owned guns? Pfft. Peanuts. Inconsequential against the lumbering juggernaut that is the government and political parties. Organizations which don't measure time like you and I do. Like the average citizen. Like most other organizations the average citizen gets together. Governments and political parties measure time in decades, generations, and centuries. They have the long look.

Think they don't? How do you think they have managed turn the unwillingly enslaved into the willingly enslaved in the last 150+ years? Or, more recently, how do you think they managed to convince so many people that the path to political/social/economic/environmental nirvana lies in the direction of WILLINGLY taxing the lower and middle income class into oblivion, WILLINGLY spending trillions more we don't have, and WILLINGLY pricing goods/services/property out of the reach of the common man? All that while making these people believe they actually OWE it to such organizations?

They have done, and are continuing to do, this precisely because they take the long view.

Four hundred million guns. And now much of the population EACH GENERATION has their views/beliefs shifted away from those precious rights we hold so dearly into the realm of "privileges" which are only guiltily enjoyed under the guise of "white privilege" or "entitlement at the expense of the underprivileged"? That these rights somehow cannot be applied to ALL the people?

WHERE are the Liberal bastions in this country? They inherently reside in large population centers by their very nature.

News flash: 82% of the population resides in cities and their suburbs. Take a good, hard look at the red and blue map and see what that REALLY means. There's a reason why those smaller blue areas win so many elections. Why the rallying call for Liberals is much easier for them in these areas. Those in power know this and they not only work to those strengths, they work to establish the long-term conditions required to enhance this.

"But, but, but...people will NEVER ALLOW..."

Horse pucky. THEY ALREADY ARE ALLOWING IT.

And these guns? Oh, what a double-edged sword THEY are!

Use them and guess what? You'll find out how large and organized these entities are in both tactics, strategy, and time.

Fail to completely upset those in power and guess what? Now you're suddenly the "bad guys" and you'll be on the receiving end of new laws and actions designed to curb you even more.

Succeed in completely upsetting those in power and guess what? You'll just be replacing those organizations with new organizations which are EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD ONES...if not worse.

That's HISTORY.

You will NEVER see the birth of another nation like ours again. The world is too different, too populous, too connected for the required conditions to arise again.

SO QUIT DELUDING YOURSELF WITH SMALL-TOWN PROCLAIMATIONS OF BRAVADO.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. You want to fight this, you have to get into the works themselves and gum things up. You have to realize that the long term is where this is at and start acting that way. You've got to be involved. You've got to make sure the political pendulum ALWAYS sways back and forth, because as history has shown us time and again, if it stops in mid-swing too long, BAD THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE.
 
The problem with all this bravado is the stark reality that the government, and the political parties controlling it, is long-term. Politicians come and go. People come and go. But the government and political parties? They just go on and on and on.

Name an effective organization, hell even an ineffective organization, that has been around as long as the government and both major political parties and for which the just interests of the people are at it's heart.

The problem with such organizations is, ironically, people themselves. Put people into positions of power and authority and watch what happens over time as such groups grow in size and power. What you ALWAYS end up with are groups like governments and political parties. Always.

Four hundred million privately owned guns? Pfft. Peanuts. Inconsequential against the lumbering juggernaut that is the government and political parties. Organizations which don't measure time like you and I do. Like the average citizen. Like most other organizations the average citizen gets together. Governments and political parties measure time in decades, generations, and centuries. They have the long look.

Think they don't? How do you think they have managed turn the unwillingly enslaved into the willingly enslaved in the last 150+ years? Or, more recently, how do you think they managed to convince so many people that the path to political/social/economic/environmental nirvana lies in the direction of WILLINGLY taxing the lower and middle income class into oblivion, WILLINGLY spending trillions more we don't have, and WILLINGLY pricing goods/services/property out of the reach of the common man? All that while making these people believe they actually OWE it to such organizations?

They have done, and are continuing to do, this precisely because they take the long view.

Four hundred million guns. And now much of the population EACH GENERATION has their views/beliefs shifted away from those precious rights we hold so dearly into the realm of "privileges" which are only guiltily enjoyed under the guise of "white privilege" or "entitlement at the expense of the underprivileged"? That these rights somehow cannot be applied to ALL the people?

WHERE are the Liberal bastions in this country? They inherently reside in large population centers by their very nature.

News flash: 82% of the population resides in cities and their suburbs. Take a good, hard look at the red and blue map and see what that REALLY means. There's a reason why those smaller blue areas win so many elections. Why the rallying call for Liberals is much easier for them in these areas. Those in power know this and they not only work to those strengths, they work to establish the long-term conditions required to enhance this.

"But, but, but...people will NEVER ALLOW..."

Horse pucky. THEY ALREADY ARE ALLOWING IT.

And these guns? Oh, what a double-edged sword THEY are!

Use them and guess what? You'll find out how large and organized these entities are in both tactics, strategy, and time.

Fail to completely upset those in power and guess what? Now you're suddenly the "bad guys" and you'll be on the receiving end of new laws and actions designed to curb you even more.

Succeed in completely upsetting those in power and guess what? You'll just be replacing those organizations with new organizations which are EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD ONES...if not worse.

That's HISTORY.

You will NEVER see the birth of another nation like ours again. The world is too different, too populous, too connected for the required conditions to arise again.

SO QUIT DELUDING YOURSELF WITH SMALL-TOWN PROCLAIMATIONS OF BRAVADO.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. You want to fight this, you have to get into the works themselves and gum things up. You have to realize that the long term is where this is at and start acting that way. You've got to be involved. You've got to make sure the political pendulum ALWAYS sways back and forth, because as history has shown us time and again, if it stops in mid-swing too long, BAD THINGS ALWAYS HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE.
Once again Chief says it best. Love your posts, man.
 
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