I never hope to be looking down the barrel, but if I was...

Amanda4461 said:
If you ever have the misfortune to have the static from your cellphone set off the vapor coming from your gas tank nozzle, as you blabber away to your best bud, you won’t be worrying about taking down the panhandler asking for a buck. Don’t think it can happen? Exxon shows gas station surveillance video of the impressive results. Happens when leaving an air gap while filling those Chinese plastic gas cans, too. Time to change your diapers time🤓
Sorry, former oil refinery guy couldn’t resist a Public Safety Address🤡
In other words, it pays to read and head the warning signs at the gas station. Tesla’s don’t give a damn.
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Can you post a link to the video? I was in the cell phone business for decades and we never could find an example of this happening. We concluded that it’d take a defective phone plus an exceptionally high concentration of fumes, like high enough that nobody would be standing there talking. Billion to one odds, like being struck by a meteor.
 
I saw this demonstrated when I was at the range to qualify for my CHP many years ago. The guy was a deputy at the time in the next county who was partnered with the police chief in my town to teach the classes. He had a guy take out his weapon (showed us it was unloaded) and instructed him to point it at him and told him to pull the trigger as soon as he saw him move. Every time without fail he took the weapon from the guy before he could pull the trigger. We were all amazed. And then he told us that he was not all that fast it was just that reaction time caused the guy to loose the weapon instead of pulling the trigger. His point was to show us not to get to close to someone even if we had the drop on them.

Then he showed us about bringing a knife to a gun fight.
 
It takes a very little amount of fumes, too rich and it cannot ignite. The videos were Exxon internal security camera clips, funny to see since everyone either ran, or in one case jumped off the top of his tanker truck’s trailer and had minor injuries, thanks to quick action by bystanders. Exxon doesn’t release them, as they have private info and license plates on them.
 
oetkb said:
My wife uses this psyops on me whenever I can go straight or turn to get to the desired destination. When I am 20 yards from the turn she yells, “ISN’T THIS WHERE YOU SHOULD TURN??"

We yell at each other for the next 30 minutes whichever choice I make on the road.
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Mine doesn’t say anything because she knows that I never go the same way anywhere twice.
 
CarolinaColtCollector said:
I asked a pump maintenance guy at sheetz one day about it, or if there was a mute button and he said nope.
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Low information employee. Doing what I posted turns off the audio on 95% of the pumps I have used. Sometimes the audio will come back on midway thru filling a 36 gallon tank but I just press that second button from the top on the right again and it turns it back off.
 
Me. said:
I’m glad you aren’t a police officer.


EDIT: Serious answer. The reasons people point guns without pulling trigger:
- Gain control / enforce compliance (“Stop or I’ll shoot!”)
- Intimidate someone who is witnessing (“Back off or ill shoot her!”)

I don’t remember the other reasons, but I swear it can be boiled down to four categories.
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Serious answer- if i pull a gun & point it at someone my decision was already made to kill that person.
 
oetkb said:
There’s two gas stations close to my house I no longer patronize because the beggars can get in my face faster than a car jacker, and it makes me second guess my ability to defend myself for being so stupid as to let them get in my face before I know it.

Think about it. We’re getting out of the vehicle, getting our wallet out, then our credit card, then manipulating it into the gas pump, hoping it doesn’t have a scanner, then putting it back in your wallet, removing pump, pumping gas, all with a truck on one side of you and a gas pump or two on the other side, all blocking your view.

And screw it all if you get a text or the phone rings in the middle of all this.
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This would be my wife. She has the uncanny knack for calling me at exactly the right / wrong time. For example, these have all happened-

You are merging onto interstate 77 at rush hour on an extremely short on ramp

You are standing at the urinal and have just unzipped

You have just inserted your credit card into the scanner to pay for something

You have just pulled cash out of your pocket at the fast food restaurant to pay

These are just a few examples but you get the idea.

Once, after talking about the timing of my wife's phone calls with a co-worker, he was standing in line with me at the fast food place when the phone rang. I looked at the phone, he looked at me and asked "Your wife?". It was her. We both laughed.

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Me. said:
This thread is about the OTHER GUY having the gun. 😁
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I mean it could be being read by people that are going to do the sticking of the gun. I run this drill with my daughter (13) sometimes (blue g17). Our plan is to knock the barrel off centerline of the body and try to get ahold of the slide as we are going towards the aggressor. Don't tell my kiddo but you are going to get shot, my idea is to remain calm if it ever happens and just DO SOMETHING!!!
 
Amanda4461 said:
It takes a very little amount of fumes, too rich and it cannot ignite. The videos were Exxon internal security camera clips, funny to see since everyone either ran, or in one case jumped off the top of his tanker truck’s trailer and had minor injuries, thanks to quick action by bystanders. Exxon doesn’t release them, as they have private info and license plates on them.
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So these are refueling events, not people filling their cars, and even so only minor injuries. I think our assessment of the risk is still good.
 
Me. said:
Also, there are only four reasons ( I think it’s four) someone would hold a gun to you. I forget what they are, but could look them up.

NONE of those four reasons include shooting OR killing you.


We can tell, because if their motivation was to shoot or kill you, they’d have already shot or killed you.

There is some other motivation at work.

Keep talking. Asking questions. When someone is asked questions, their mind ponders an answer. That is an interruption in attention cycles.



****Again.... internet-ninja. These are concepts I’ve been taught, and seen demonstrated. I can’t tell you I’d prevail in a situation like this. But I’d try.


Any one of us can act faster than the other person can react.
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STOP TRYING TO PUT RATIONAL THOUGHTS INTO THE MINDS OF IRRATIONAL PEOPLE.
They have made the decision to utilize deadly force, in a supreme example of a way that a rational person would not.
For all you know, the entirety of their gun experience comes from watching criminals in movies. If you've ever dealt with criminals, you will know that you CANNOT think the same way they do. You're gazing at your own navel here. They're doing what they feel is right or necessary, and your death is likely just a means to an end for them.

I forget what brought it up the other night, probably some crime documentary I was watching with my wife. she asked why the criminal would have done something or other. probably dismembering a victim or something. I opened up a knife, handed it to her, and put the palm of my hand on the tip and told her to push until the knife went through. She was shocked and thought I was crazy. Except we were watching a documentary about people who were literally doing that sort of thing... There are any number of people in the world who murder, torture, etc their spouses.
You can't think like "they" do because your mind is right. If you try to project your sane thoughts on them, in a situation where you're ALREADY behind the power curve, you're just making things worse for yourself.
 
noway2 said:
You forgot the part where the damnable gas pumps have to play TV too.
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If you hit the (I think) second button from top on the right it mutes it. You are welcome :)

***Edit, FG/OTKBRKTGJKJK after reading the rest of the thread ...already told you , never mind.
 
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oetkb said:
There’s two gas stations close to my house I no longer patronize because the beggars can get in my face faster than a car jacker, and it makes me second guess my ability to defend myself for being so stupid as to let them get in my face before I know it.

Think about it. We’re getting out of the vehicle, getting our wallet out, then our credit card, then manipulating it into the gas pump, hoping it doesn’t have a scanner, then putting it back in your wallet, removing pump, pumping gas, all with a truck on one side of you and a gas pump or two on the other side, all blocking your view.

And screw it all if you get a text or the phone rings in the middle of all this.
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When I pull up to a gas pump and get out I always keep my door open. The only reason is so I can either sit down while waiting on the pump to finish or talking to wife/kids. If you did this then technically you’d only have one side to watch.
 
JimB said:
So these are refueling events, not people filling their cars, and even so only minor injuries. I think our assessment of the risk is still good.
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One was a tanker driver (contractor) talking on his cell while opening a top hatch to verify empty. It was, of liquid. The vapor is what ignites. A second was of a woman talking to her husband while filling her car. She over filled it, and bent down to wipe her shoe off. Surprise💃. The gasoline puddle at her feet lit off. She was lucky that the tank was liquid full by that time.
The last one was a lawn service guy filling a plastic gas can. He let the nozzle stay an inch above the fill hole of the plastic can to see when it was full to the top. He never made it. The velocity of the gasoline stream into the can ignited the vapor via discharge of static electricity. His was the worst episode. The fire spread up his arm, and he had to be knocked down and the fire smothered. 3rd degree burns are 😖 painful.
 
Me. said:
If approached while pumping gas, keep the gas flowing and point the nozzle in the guy’s face.


Say loudly “Sorry about that fella. It’d be a darn shame if a muzzle flash happened right now.”
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I did this at a Sheetz at 2AM, young guy asked for some gas money, he left his card home, had a almost new huge Tundra truck,
his hand in right pocket of jacket. I kept the gas nozzle at low ready and would have soaked him if he pulled anything in his hand.
 
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Looks like he pushes back on the slide just enough as he takes the pistol. In this video the shooter has his arm and wrist out of alignment.
 
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SPST said:
It also helps if you are a 7th degree black belt like he is?
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The way I see it, you slap the perps wrist with your right hand while grapping the gun with your left.
 
Button Pusher said:
Looks like he pushes back on the slide just enough as he takes the pistol. In this video the shooter has his arm and wrist out of alignment.
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Pushing the slide out of battery, holding the cylinder on a DA revolver or any blocking of the hammer falling on hammer fired pistols or revolvers is major part of disarming a gunman along with muzzle direction control ... ideally both are desire.

If he snatched it in the opposite direction he’d break the guys finger in the trigger guard.
 
hp468 said:
You should be sizing up everyone when you pull into the pumps. Make a loop in the parking lot or around the building. Mirror check and head on swivel when getting out of the truck.
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Off hand I would say "that sounds paranoid", but in all honesty, I actually do this. I'm also now getting my credit card out while I'm still in the car and have it in my hand when I get out and my wallet is back in my pocket. Open gas hole (hehe, he said "hole"), remove cap, look around, then swipe, then put the card back in my pocket, start the fill then step back from the pump and walk around the vehicle checking the tires.

A guy I used to train with for knife stuff (and crazy gun disarms like this) used to stay in close to the vehicle because he did his best 'work' at 0-3' (carrying a blade and not a pistol). I stay more out in the open, I want to see people approach and have lots of space to move around without worrying about getting pinned, tripping over the hose/curb/trash can/etc. The vehicle isn't cover/concealment, I'm not worried about a sniper taking me out from across the gas station, but I am worried about @oetkb 's band of aggressive folk and stage designers.

Also, because I'm getting gas at HT and using those little gloves they provide, I've done some dry and live practice with the glove on my dominant hand just like I do at the station.

Also, I am now officially paranoid.

EDIT: I also don't have my phone out, there is nothing that can't wait until I'm back in the car. I'm not carrying nuclear launch codes, no one needs anything from me RIGHT NOW. When you watch the Karens standing there head down doing fartbook or whatever they're doing and 100% oblivious, it gives you a good indication of what a good victim looks like.
 
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Whether I'm in my car or truck, I get out, card in hand. I get the gas flowing, and I always get back in the vehicle after a quick scan of my surroundings. Since I carry appendix, my shirt stays tucked behind the gun while waiting. When done, quick scan of all mirrors, and then finish up. I can also do good work 0-5 feet or so, but I worry about multiples. If I'm tangling with one close in, they can come from other sides. I'd rather stay in vehicle and limit my exposure of being outside the vehicle.

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gunbelt said:
Serious answer- if i pull a gun & point it at someone my decision was already made to kill that person.
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Cooper said....People say you shoot to stop not to kill, However, if you introduce 2 or 3 rounds of 230 Ball to the center of a person's chest, odds are they won't take it well........Ole Jeff was a wise man.

Also, if any of you ever try this with @Stick Man , odds are you won't take it well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,;)
 
I’m from Oakland so I’ve always been paranoid at gas stations. Or anywhere else in public.
 
This is an interesting thread. I'm super appreciative of all of the info.


I think I've always done it "wrong" but it has always worked for me (so far).

Leave the ds door open, and stand toward the end of the bed of my truck next to the nozzle pumping gas.

This, imo limits how I can be approached. Even if someone decides to get frisky, they have to bypass the door and have a hose to step over. Gives me a chance to identify and assess anything from that direction. They can only "setup" a situation between the corner of the bed and the pump unobstructed.

If someone wants to shoot me from a distance, I'm screwed anyway. So while I watch everywhere, everything, everyone. I can focus on that narrow, unobstructed area.

I used to work out of a shop that was off of beatties ford in Charlotte. Night shift....

Never an issue. Best I had were panhandlers and whores approaching between the corner of the truck bed and the pump.

Sketchy? Yes. Scared to be there? Meh...


Oh, and as to the "take the gun away" op. While I am certain I will be ended with a quickness.. I presume I am dead anyway. So I may as well give it my fatass all to make them prove it. So I'd like to think I'd fight for my life/like my life depends on it since it could...
 
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oetkb said:
Low information employee. Doing what I posted turns off the audio on 95% of the pumps I have used. Sometimes the audio will come back on midway thru filling a 36 gallon tank but I just press that second button from the top on the right again and it turns it back off.
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I’ll try that. Frequently I’m on the phone & put packing tape over the speaker.
 
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