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I've been reading thru threads and pestering the guys at Poppies but we seem to be gettin further out in the weeds. So here we go with another tedious post..

..Since ~06 I've been luggin around an old SWR Omega-turned-Specwar.. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a coupla smaller and lighter cans for current usage and trying to avoid lurching into this haphazardly. It takes a long time and it's a PITA so we wanna put some effort into doing it right from the git-go. Price is not a deciding factor but we don't really care about bling for bling's sake. SilencerCo did us very right on the Omega/Specwar so I'd like to stick with them if I can. But not to the point of shootin myself in the foot over it. If it matters I do reload for these.

..We're fairly convinced we wanna set up a "traditional" trust as both of us are pushin 60 and have no relatives to speak of. The property, vehicles and such are all already set up to go into a trust. The NFA/firearms trust will be a separate entity as we'll eventually hafta name someone unrelated as a beneficiary.
Any thoughts on this beside the obvious "Yeah, name me the beneficiary"? šŸ˜‚

Cans-
Definitely a rimfire. My d'ruthers are size, weight and first round quiet as this will be used mostly for hunting. So toted more than shot. The only current host is a
22/45 Lite but I'd like the option to use it on a small-ish rifle or PCC type. No interest in rapid fire if it matters. Saw a "Scoundrel" yesterday and that was very acceptable size/weight wise. Dunno bout any other characteristics of it, tho'.

9mm/45ACP & 45C- Curious if there's an effective single unit for these with the same d'ruthers. I've read that some of you don't care for the can on handguns and I can see that would be cumbersome along with needing extra parts. While there's a coupla suppressor ready FN's around (FNXt & 509cT) I'd mainly like it for a PCC and/or a future SBR. The 45C is the lil Rossi lever that I run subs in anyways. It would be schweet if that could be made to work with a can.
Thanks much for any useful and/or entertaining input. I'm sure there's some "famous last words" in there somewhere. šŸ¤ šŸ‘
 
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To make sureā€¦youā€™re just looking for rimfire and 9/45, right? Not another centerfire rifle can?
 
Plenty of .45 cans that would work on a 9mm host. Iā€™d focus on the PCC instead of handguns. Suppressed 22 pistols are fineā€¦but suppressed 9/40/45 just isnā€™t as enjoyable.

Any of the top 45 cans would serve you well. Even something like the Rex MG7K 458 or Omega 45K.

For rimfire, thereā€™s probably at least a dozen that would serve you well, including:
YHM Phantom 22
Dead Air Mask
Rugged Mustang
Rugged Oculus
SiCo Switchback
TBAC TD22
AAC Halcyon
Hansohn Vidar
EA Nyx
 
Running thru the list now..
The versatility of the Switchback for rimfire gives me a lil pudgy. Seems like that's not exclusive to SiCo, tho.
If there's validity to the Dead Air first pop claim that could be key. Didn't see a reference to that on the others. Any experience?
I've noticed it a bit with my current rig but it's no biggie.

Izzit more like just pick one ya like the features of and goferit or does it require more scrutiny?
Tryin to avoid little aggravating nuances IRT to cleaning, compatibility or whatever.. And being a pest.. šŸ˜ šŸ’©
 
HawgBonz said:
Running thru the list now..
The versatility of the Switchback for rimfire gives me a lil pudgy. Seems like that's not exclusive to SiCo, tho.
If there's validity to the Dead Air first pop claim that could be key. Didn't see a reference to that on the others. Any experience?
I've noticed it a bit with my current rig but it's no biggie.

Izzit more like just pick one ya like the features of and goferit or does it require more scrutiny?
Tryin to avoid little aggravating nuances IRT to cleaning, compatibility or whatever.. And being a pest.. šŸ˜ šŸ’©
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You canā€™t go wrong with any of the ones I posted. And that list isnā€™t complete. So yes, just pick the one that tickles your fancy.
 
Iā€™m still not convinced a can thatā€™s modular in length is something Iā€™d want. How often would you actually change it? Just one more junction to make sure is tight.
 
That Scoundrel we saw yesterday was small and light enough as it sat.
That's a good point on the joints. Even more so IRT rimfire I'd imagine..
 
HawgBonz said:
That Scoundrel we saw yesterday was small and light enough as it sat.
That's a good point on the joints. Even more so IRT rimfire I'd imagine..
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Iā€™ve never even heard of the Scoundrel. Looked it up and have never heard of the company. Butā€¦every company has to start somewhere.

You can cut at least an ounce off that weight as wellā€¦as hard as that may be to believe. EA Nyx Ti is 3.6oz and rated for multiple calibers. Warlock is 3oz, and is just for 22LR.
 
The "we" is me and the lady..
And for that very reason. We don't have any immediate family.
Y'all don't git any ideas... šŸ¤  šŸ¤£
 
HawgBonz said:
The "we" is me and the lady..
And for that very reason. We don't have any immediate family.
Y'all don't git any ideas... šŸ¤  šŸ¤£
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If sheā€™s not going to use it without you, the trust wouldnā€™t do too much.

You can just as easily buy it as an individual, and name somebody to get it in your will. Itā€™ll transfer tax free to that person. Youā€™d have to name somebody as the beneficiary anyway.

Iā€™m not saying not to get a trust, but donā€™t get one based on bad info.
 
The modular cans are a bit of a gimmick IMO. One can for one purpose is just a little easier. Most people set them in one configuration and leave them alone after that.

They all have some degree of first round pop.

For a semi auto PCC , keep in mind that most of them are straight blowback actions, which can still be loud (or at least not hearing safe) at the shooters ear. Some type of delayed blowback action, lever action, bolt action, etc will be noticeably quieter.

There seems to be a dozen or more great choices for each category today!
 
You can also put a little wire pulling gel in the blast chamber to quiet down the first shot.
 
IF you ever get towards Raleigh, I have a TBAC 22TD and an Element 2 that you're welcome to try on your host. Both are extremely quiet. My favorite is the 22TD.
 
BigWaylon said:
You can just as easily buy it as an individual, and name somebody to get it in your will. Itā€™ll transfer tax free to that person. Youā€™d have to name somebody as the beneficiary anyway.
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Kris has looked into the legal end of it more than I have. IIRC the big difference is the process after we have passed.
With a trust, the beneficiary would avoid probate. With a will ya hafta go thru the courts and all the associated legal jazz as we're currently understanding. We may be wrong.

BowWow said:
For a semi auto PCC , keep in mind that most of them are straight blowback actions, which can still be loud (or at least not hearing safe) at the shooters ear. Some type of delayed blowback action, lever action, bolt action, etc will be noticeably quieter.
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Thanks for the heads up on the action type. I'm currently in the market for the host and that's good to know.
The Specwar pretty much lives on the lil Handy/BLK. If what I get from that is considered FRP then I won't get my undies inna wad over it.
It's wicked quiet.
Scsmith42 said:
IF you ever get towards Raleigh, I have a TBAC 22TD and an Element 2 that you're welcome to try on your host. Both are extremely quiet. My favorite is the 22TD.
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I don't get that way often but if I do I'll keep that in mind!!

Thanks much for the responses, fellas.. šŸ¤  šŸ‘
 
For the pistol application my vote would be a rugged obsidian 45. Can use it on 45 and 9 and both in a long or short (K) configuration.

As for trust vs individual, youā€™ll get justifications and rationale for both. Do the homework and decide what works best for you.
 
NCWalrus said:
For the pistol application my vote would be a rugged obsidian 45. Can use it on 45 and 9 and both in a long or short (K) configuration.
As for trust vs individual, youā€™ll get justifications and rationale for both. Do the homework and decide what works best for you.
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Went to Poppies today and looked at an Obsidian 45. Really liked the small OD of it.
I know it's been said that joints in the body are a possible cause of headache.
I hafta wonder how much that would come in to play for a fuddy old man mostly just huntin with it?
On the surface I like the modularity but I couldn't really tell ya why.
My goal is to keep what hearing I have left with true stealth comin in second.
I just like the quiet.. I hear there's nothin wrong with it. ;)
 
I have a Dead Air Mask (first and only can). I donā€™t really have anything to compare it to, but will say that Iā€™m very pleased. I actually want another 22 can for when I take the kids shooting and while there are many options, Iā€™m considering another Mask. I would recommend the Mask for the 22 suppressor.

HOPEFULLY SOMETIME SOON, Iā€™ll have my Obsidian 45 out of NFA jail. It came recommended enough and after some research seemed like a good choice. Looking forward to putting it on my G21 with RMR.
 
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Gray said:
I have a Dead Air Mask (first and only can).
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Do you notice much difference in your first shot (FRP) when compared to other shots in a string?

ETA- Just dayum. And here I thought I was gettin gigged for using the acronym.
Some days it's best if I avoid firearms and power tools.. šŸ¤” šŸ‘“
 
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like I said before, I have nothing to compare it to.

I donā€™t think you can ever get rid of some difference in first and following shots because of science. That being said any difference is barely noticed. I run a bunch of CCI sv for reference.
 
Gray said:
That being said any difference is barely noticed.
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I notice it with the Specwar, but that's about the height of it.
Def nothin to wad up muh undies over fersure.
Thanks.. šŸ¤  šŸ‘
 
HawgBonz said:
Do you notice much difference in your first shot (FSP) when compared to other shots in a string?
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FRP. Come on, man!! šŸ¤“
 
Got the 22 can started today..
I'll be the Guinea Pig on the TX Scoundrel. It was in stock and I like the size/weight of it. Sounded fine @ first shot.

Gonna take a coupla items up there tomorrow to see what's available in a 45/9mm can and how it fits with my toys.
Kinda leaning Obsidian right now. But wanna look at some others.. šŸ¤“
 
HawgBonz said:
Got the 22 can started today..
I'll be the Guinea Pig on the TX Scoundrel. It was in stock and I like the size/weight of it. Sounded fine @ first shot.
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Soā€¦

Whatā€™s your plan for cleaning it? Interested in your thoughts on method and interval.
 
BigWaylon said:
Whatā€™s your plan for cleaning it? Interested in your thoughts on method and interval.
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Dunno really. The core is SS and it comes apart easy enough. No aluminum to worry about reacting with solvent. Did I miss something?
My intended use is mostly for hunting with occasional light plinking. I thought you liked dirty silencers. šŸ¤Ŗ šŸ˜‰

patina said:
Gotta love it when someone asks for advice just to ignore it, lol.
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Not ignored. The gist I got from the helpful responses was that there's a lot of good 22 cans available and I saw no glaring warning to avoid any particular model/brand. I've done a good bit of business with the guys at Poppies and they've been patient helping me out with this. I wanted to give them this business. The Mask was out of stock with no estimate of return. The Scoundrel was sittin there @ $375 ready to go.
So now there'll eventually be another can that "we" know about and available for someone to try.
Think of it what ya will..
 
HawgBonz said:
Dunno really. The core is SS and it comes apart easy enough. No aluminum to worry about reacting with solvent. Did I miss something?
My intended use is mostly for hunting with occasional light plinking. I thought you liked dirty silencers. šŸ¤Ŗ šŸ˜‰
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I do like dirty one. šŸ˜

Iā€™m asking because monocore cans arenā€™t the easiest to deal with. If you drop it in a tumbler, or the dip, youā€™ll probably lose all the finish on the muzzle end (if that matters to you). Not impossible to clean by any stretch of the imaginationā€¦just not able to use some of the easiest methods.

Since you opted for an unshielded monocore, youā€™re gonna run the risk of ā€œweldingā€ the core to the tube if you donā€™t break it apart at regular intervals. Donā€™t necessarily have to clean it, but youā€™ll need to at least start the disassembly process to break anything loose.
 
Sounds like it wouldn't be a bad idea to break out a dab of anti-seize on the threads, then. Was thinkin I'd try carb cleaner or engine degreaser on the SS core if I felt like it needed it. There's all kinds of cleaning mess around here leftover from workin on boats at the coast.
I ain't skeert of the brush-n-bucket if needs be.
I reckon we'll see.
 
HawgBonz said:
Sounds like it wouldn't be a bad idea to break out a dab of anti-seize on the threads, then. Was thinkin I'd try carb cleaner or engine degreaser on the SS core if I felt like it needed it. There's all kinds of cleaning mess around here leftover from workin on boats at the coast.
I ain't skeert of the brush-n-bucket if needs be.
I reckon we'll see.
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The problem will be lead build up on the inner wall of the tubeā€¦both where it meets the core and then just the rest of the exposed tube. As long as you occasionally spin that outer tube at least 180Ā° and back, it should still come off when needed.
 
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