More walmart debauchery

Maybe dumb, but I don’t see where it’s illegal. Was he waving the gun around? Pointing it at people? Or was the rifle slung and the pistols holstered? Just because some Karen doesn’t like what you are allowed to do doesn’t make it illegal.
 
DRFury said:
Maybe dumb, but I don’t see where it’s illegal. Was he waving the gun around? Pointing it at people? Or was the rifle slung and the pistols holstered? Just because some Karen doesn’t like what you are allowed to do doesn’t make it illegal.
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Meh, call me a Karen but I would freakin run like hell if I saw that waltz into a store.
 
Moja Kemet Estep
 
Frack N Cylons said:
Meh, call me a Karen but I would freakin run like hell if I saw that waltz into a store.
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Rebel1776 said:
Im with you. I love the right to open carry and use it alot during the summer, but please use some common sense dont open carry rifles to big public spaces.
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Depends on if he was carrying it low ready or slung across his back.
 
Frack N Cylons said:
Meh, call me a Karen but I would freakin run like hell if I saw that waltz into a store.
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Rebel1776 said:
Im with you. I love the right to open carry and use it alot during the summer, but please use some common sense dont open carry rifles to big public spaces.
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Frack N Cylons said:
When ole Moja Kemet Estep walks in with a rifle and body armor, I’m outta there.
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Blue440 said:
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should !
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This is exactly how we get (and the dems justify) “common sense gun control”!
 
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I’m gonna borrow this from another site:

Going armed to the terror of the public, commonly called Gatttotp, is thrown around way too much.

There are some things people need to know about this common law (not statutory law):
-There are 4 clauses to this common law that must be met
-Very rarely (if ever) will a charge actually stick if you do get charged with Gatttotp
-Cops use this as a tool to attempt to make you comply, and become a sheep

Now, as previously stated, there are 4 clauses to Gatttotp that ALL must be met in order for you to be successfully charged:

-You MUST be on a public highway, such as a publicly maintained street, road, freeway, etc
-You MUST be carrying an unusual weapon. A gun is considered an unusual weapon
-You MUST be threatening to kill someone. Ie, shouting at the top of your lungs "I'm gonna kill person XYZ, because.... BECAUSE! That's why!" constitutes as threatening to kill someone.

And this is the final clause (and possibly most important) that must be met:

-You MUST have intent to kill someone. It's my humble opinion that sitting on a horse in the middle of a road, calling out a name, while waving a weapon around and threatening to kill said person would show intent to kill someone (from the case where Gatttotp originated)

Once again, all 4 of these conditions must be met in order for you to successfully be CHARGED with Gatttotp. However, that doesn't mean cops won't try and make the charge stick.
 
Blue440 said:
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should !
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No, and I wouldn't either, but it doesn't mean he did anything illegal. If he wasn't doing sitting y illegal the cops should have left him alone. At most, the store could ask him to leave and if he didn't then it's trespass.
 
Several extra mags for the Glock and only one mag for the AK? Obviously he wasn’t going armed to the terror of the public.
 
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Cowboy said:
I wonder what the mental gymnastics would look like if a person with their CCW took him out?
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It would be rather clear-cut if Mr. Estep started firing a weapon first. If a CCW holder took him out before he started shooting or aiming a firearm at someone, it should be considered to be murder since the CCW holder would have deliberately killed a person breaking no laws and not threatening anybody.
 
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Walmart doesn't want open carry in there stores. It been like that for a few years now. You still see alot of open carry specially in the stores out in the sticks like the ones closest to me. But wally world has made it clear they don't want open carry. I mentioned this in the other walmart thread about the wanta be cowboy had negligent discharge. It's one of few places I lock my handgun up in car before I go in the few times I have to use walmart. A pistol on your side is easy to overlook but carrying a rifle in a place that doesn't want open carry in there stores is probably definitely gonna get called out. And since they have stated no open carry then it does make it illegal action.
 
HandyDave said:
Walmart doesn't want open carry in there stores. It been like that for a few years now. You still see alot of open carry specially in the stores out in the sticks like the ones closest to me. But wally world has made it clear they don't want open carry. I mentioned this in the other walmart thread about the wanta be cowboy had negligent discharge. It's one of few places I lock my handgun up in car before I go in the few times I have to use walmart. A pistol on your side is easy to overlook but carrying a rifle in a place that doesn't want open carry in there stores is probably definitely gonna get called out. And since they have stated no open carry then it does make it illegal action.
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My Walmart removed the signs saying "please refrain from open carrying"
There used to be a sign on one entrance but not the other
I checked both entrances after reading the other thread you are referring to

I too wanna know . . . . they may have 'stated' this but does that make it illegal?
Especially if there is no sign/verbiage warning patrons
 
No win.

If the cops arrest him, the antis will shout, "See! We gotta ban assault rifles and high capacity handguns!"

If the cops give him a warning, and ask him to leave, the antis will shout, "We can't have this! Ban assault rifles and high capacity handguns!"

No news when the DA or the judge dismiss the charges.
 
Frack N Cylons said:
When ole Moja Kemet Estep walks in with a rifle and body armor, I’m outta there.
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But bro, it wasn't illegal. It's totally normal behavior you'd see in well-adjusted individuals that we want promoting the second amendment.
 
This is screenshot just taken from the walmart corporation website. From my knowledge if a particular business says hey we don't want you doing this and you do it anyway then your breaking the law. Screenshot_20240325_183948_Chrome.jpgI only open carry and as much as I don't like ever not carrying. I also don't want to be the one who ends up being made and example out of.
 
HandyDave said:
This is screenshot just taken from the walmart corporation website. From my knowledge if a particular business says hey we don't want you doing this and you do it anyway then your breaking the law. View attachment 760128I only open carry and as much as I don't like ever not carrying. I also don't want to be the one who ends up being made and example out of.
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The operative word "request" means it's all bullshit.
 
yard mongrel said:
Probably not even close to being the sketchiest looking dude at Monroe Walmart.
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Very true.
I would probably keep an eye on that dude and slowly move away from where he is.


HandyDave said:
This is screenshot just taken from the walmart corporation website. From my knowledge if a particular business says hey we don't want you doing this and you do it anyway then your breaking the law. I only open carry and as much as I don't like ever not carrying. I also don't want to be the one who ends up being made and example out of.
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That doesn't make it unlawful and if there is no signage on the entrances, how am I -the patron- to know?
I don't go read store policy on the web before I go to WalMart.

With CHP holders, the store has to have a sign - if you violate the sign, they can ask you to leave, if you refuse, then you can be charged with trespassing.
No way does Walmart's corporate policy supersede this kind of procedure and result in legal ramifications.

The sign at my store said 'please refrain from open carrying' - till they took it down.
That sounds like a suggestion at best.
 
bigfelipe said:
Looks like an AK to me... Stupid news animals...

Be interested in how this shakes out... He wasn't technically breaking any laws and "going armed" is such a vague law I don't know how it stands legally...
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From the article-

"Estep was detained without incident, and authorities said there is no danger to the public."

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Gator said:
From the article-

"Estep was detained without incident, and authorities said there is no danger to the public."

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I would want my lawyer to get video of an authority saying “there was no danger to the public” after arresting me for terrorizing the public.

Would be a pretty easy charge to get dropped, I’d think.


That said, regardless of motive, the guy with the guns in this case is a douchebag.
 
HandyDave said:
This is screenshot just taken from the walmart corporation website. From my knowledge if a particular business says hey we don't want you doing this and you do it anyway then your breaking the law. View attachment 760128I only open carry and as much as I don't like ever not carrying. I also don't want to be the one who ends up being made and example out of.
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At the very best you get a trespassing charge that has no chance in hell of standing up in court. A web site notice and a "please dont" sign on a door have no force of law.
 
Johnny said:
At the very best you get a trespassing charge that has no chance in hell of standing up in court. A web site notice and a "please dont" sign on a door have no force of law.
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All I know for sure is if you type in open carry at Walmart on the webs there is page after page from news stories to gun forums to walmart websites to reddit pages and more saying walmart doesn't want people other then leo to open carry in there stores as of 2019. So seems to be fairly common knowledge that walmart doesnt want open carry in there stores. And in the screenshot I posted it says requested yes and it also mentions policy. If a business has a sign saying no this or no that then your not supposed to do it. I could give a shit less what each person decides to do with thereselves. I just try to follow the rules as there put in front of me. As I said I don't want to be the one that is made an example of.
 
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but even “please don’t open carry” has no force of law as state law lists how something must be conspicuously displayed to have any effect. And isn’t it. Guns are either prohibited or not. Note that said, if you flaunt it too much, Walmart just gets pushed to prohibit all guns…
 
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