More walmart debauchery

amyracecar said:
I gotta go to Walmart tomorro - hopefully it is uneventful!!
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Just don't wear external body armor or carry a long gun.


Cowboy said:
I wonder what the mental gymnastics would look like if a person with their CCW took him out?
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Unless he actually threatens or shoots someone or screams something about a snack-bar then, no. Not justified.
 
Carrying a stock Glock in a light bearing holster is enough reason to arrest him. AT least it was leather. lol

Sketchy. Weird, Not a great idea. Also not GATTTOTP and won't stick. Might have been trespassing if they had asked him to leave first. But apparently that didn't apply either.
 
Mathieu18 said:
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but even “please don’t open carry” has no force of law as state law lists how something must be conspicuously displayed to have any effect. And isn’t it. Guns are either prohibited or not. Note that said, if you flaunt it too much, Walmart just gets pushed to prohibit all guns…
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It sure does not.
 
HandyDave said:
All I know for sure is if you type in open carry at Walmart on the webs there is page after page from news stories to gun forums to walmart websites to reddit pages and more saying walmart doesn't want people other then leo to open carry in there stores as of 2019. So seems to be fairly common knowledge that walmart doesnt want open carry in there stores. And in the screenshot I posted it says requested yes and it also mentions policy. If a business has a sign saying no this or no that then your not supposed to do it. I could give a shit less what each person decides to do with thereselves. I just try to follow the rules as there put in front of me. As I said I don't want to be the one that is made an example of.
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There is a statute -NCGS 14-415.11(c)(8)- that addresses specific requirements for prohibiting carrying a concealed handgun on private property. Openly carrying firearms on private property is generally (excepting things like consuming alcohol) not specifically addressed by state law. Without a specific firearm law, a property owner would have to resort to the state's general trespass law NCGS 14-159.13 which requires specific notice of what is prohibited rather than a request or corporate policy.
 
BigWaylon said:
I’m gonna borrow this from another site:

Going armed to the terror of the public, commonly called Gatttotp, is thrown around way too much.

There are some things people need to know about this common law (not statutory law):
-There are 4 clauses to this common law that must be met
-Very rarely (if ever) will a charge actually stick if you do get charged with Gatttotp
-Cops use this as a tool to attempt to make you comply, and become a sheep

Now, as previously stated, there are 4 clauses to Gatttotp that ALL must be met in order for you to be successfully charged:

-You MUST be on a public highway, such as a publicly maintained street, road, freeway, etc
-You MUST be carrying an unusual weapon. A gun is considered an unusual weapon
-You MUST be threatening to kill someone. Ie, shouting at the top of your lungs "I'm gonna kill person XYZ, because.... BECAUSE! That's why!" constitutes as threatening to kill someone.

And this is the final clause (and possibly most important) that must be met:

-You MUST have intent to kill someone. It's my humble opinion that sitting on a horse in the middle of a road, calling out a name, while waving a weapon around and threatening to kill said person would show intent to kill someone (from the case where Gatttotp originated)

Once again, all 4 of these conditions must be met in order for you to successfully be CHARGED with Gatttotp. However, that doesn't mean cops won't try and make the charge stick.
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Which would indicate (if the above is true) that this dude did noting illegal.
 
gc70 said:
There is a statute -NCGS 14-415.11(c)(8)- that addresses specific requirements for prohibiting carrying a concealed handgun on private property. Openly carrying firearms on private property is generally (excepting things like consuming alcohol) not specifically addressed by state law. Without a specific firearm law, a property owner would have to resort to the state's general trespass law NCGS 14-159.13 which requires specific notice of what is prohibited rather than a request or corporate policy.
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Thanks for clarifying!!
 
I don't care if people want to open carry, I don't, I prefer folks not knowing if, or what, I got. If I was open carrying though, I wouldn't be sporting 2 handguns, a long gun, mag pouches, and body armor. But to each their own. If I saw him walking into the WalMart I'm at, I'm not sticking around for long.
As many have said, not illegal to carry like he was, unless WalMart has video of him unslinging the rifle, pulling a handgun, or threatening folks. I'll put this right up there with the First amendment auditor idiots, looking to get a rise out of folks for 60 seconds of TikTok fame.
 
Ferrisfan said:
I'm 99% certain this was just a matter of using the police to request that he leave the premises since the Walmart manger did not feel safe approaching him to request that he leave.
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I guess security was scared of him.
 
Being a former LEO, Firearms instructor, Federal an State, CCW Instructor,Former Team Member S.W.A.T, NRA Rangemaster, former Private Overseas Security Contractor, Strong advocate of 2-A God Fearing Constitutionalist. This is just my humble opinions. This idiot is within his rights, but At first glance do we as citizens know his motives or intent?. Is he trying to make a statement or test local, state an federal law? Does he have a mental issue or is he trying project a superior image by open carry in a crowded area? Or does he plan on killing a multitude of innocent civilians… most people in society ARE NOT TRAINED to detect early warning signs to prevent a catastrophic event unless they have had proper training… I’m sure there are going to be a lot comments on this forum from self professed shithouse lawyers, left wing, right wing, Monday morning quarterbacks, little boys that built their first ar’s an sks in their mommies basement.. But when the rubber hits the road are you as a bystander are you going to know how to react when a mentally deficient human being like this invades a public place…. This may be the norm in a public place in a third world country in which I have witnessed personally, but it’s not the norm an should not be as of NOW in any place in the USA.. As I stated before I’m a very strong advocate of 2-A an CCW rights an have always live by the old LEO saying it’s better to be tried in a court of law by 12 than to be carried by 6 to the grave.. My first thought process on this was situational an two fold.. If I had members of my family present with me, hands down..(elude an evade) it’s only common sense period…. Situation #2… Follow an observed him at a safe an Tactical distance until backup arrives an hope he does not make any aggressive or calculated unsafe moves… I’m not a cowboy or a hero! But I have been involved in shooting situations, yes I have been hit an yes I have engaged an dispatched my perpetrators.. Years ago I was trained by a NOW Retired Special Forces Ground Commander Pappy Adkins that ask me a question I will NEVER forget. When a situation or mission goes south will you run to or from it? That’s what defines you inner warrior.. If I could offer any advice forget about Political Correctness an learn to be street smart an in today’s society have common sense an earn to profile criminals… If you get on an airplane an there’s a middle eastern male with a turban on cleaning his fingernails with a box cutter acting irrational,, (oh I know that ship has done sailed) what are you going to do… An with this current situation A middle aged darker skin (middle eastern type) carrying a AK-47 multiple magazines 2 handguns an a bullet proof vest… my reaction certainly not going to be go up an Pat him on the back an say, “ Buddy I’m proud of you for expressing your Second Amendment Rights… WAKE UP…..
 
Spitball said:
This idiot is within his rights, but At first glance do we as citizens know his motives or intent?
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Fair point and I can understand why the store staff did not want to approach or address the guy, so calling the cops and asking them to tell him to leave would be appropriate. What we don't know is if he made or communicated any threats, how he reacted to being approached by the cops, etc. Operating on the assumption that he made no such threat, and that he was asked to leave and didn't refuse to do so, arresting and charging him for open carry, even foolishly, is wrong. The US is getting awfully close to becoming, if it hasn't already, a police state and arresting people who have not committed a crime, other than making someone uncomfortable is a police state act.
 
Spitball said:
Being a former LEO, Firearms instructor, Federal an State, CCW Instructor,Former Team Member S.W.A.T, NRA Rangemaster, former Private Overseas Security Contractor, Strong advocate of 2-A God Fearing Constitutionalist. This is just my humble opinions. This idiot is within his rights, but At first glance do we as citizens know his motives or intent?. Is he trying to make a statement or test local, state an federal law? Does he have a mental issue or is he trying project a superior image by open carry in a crowded area? Or does he plan on killing a multitude of innocent civilians… most people in society ARE NOT TRAINED to detect early warning signs to prevent a catastrophic event unless they have had proper training… I’m sure there are going to be a lot comments on this forum from self professed shithouse lawyers, left wing, right wing, Monday morning quarterbacks, little boys that built their first ar’s an sks in their mommies basement.. But when the rubber hits the road are you as a bystander are you going to know how to react when a mentally deficient human being like this invades a public place…. This may be the norm in a public place in a third world country in which I have witnessed personally, but it’s not the norm an should not be as of NOW in any place in the USA.. As I stated before I’m a very strong advocate of 2-A an CCW rights an have always live by the old LEO saying it’s better to be tried in a court of law by 12 than to be carried by 6 to the grave.. My first thought process on this was situational an two fold.. If I had members of my family present with me, hands down..(elude an evade) it’s only common sense period…. Situation #2… Follow an observed him at a safe an Tactical distance until backup arrives an hope he does not make any aggressive or calculated unsafe moves… I’m not a cowboy or a hero! But I have been involved in shooting situations, yes I have been hit an yes I have engaged an dispatched my perpetrators.. Years ago I was trained by a NOW Retired Special Forces Ground Commander Pappy Adkins that ask me a question I will NEVER forget. When a situation or mission goes south will you run to or from it? That’s what defines you inner warrior.. If I could offer any advice forget about Political Correctness an learn to be street smart an in today’s society have common sense an earn to profile criminals… If you get on an airplane an there’s a middle eastern male with a turban on cleaning his fingernails with a box cutter acting irrational,, (oh I know that ship has done sailed) what are you going to do… An with this current situation A middle aged darker skin (middle eastern type) carrying a AK-47 multiple magazines 2 handguns an a bullet proof vest… my reaction certainly not going to be go up an Pat him on the back an say, “ Buddy I’m proud of you for expressing your Second Amendment Rights… WAKE UP…..
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I will admit, there have been a few times that I too have typed my entire resume into a comment in the hopes that a few more internet strangers might agree with my personal opinion... 😀
 
noway2 said:
Fair point and I can understand why the store staff did not want to approach or address the guy, so calling the cops and asking them to tell him to leave would be appropriate. What we don't know is if he made or communicated any threats, how he reacted to being approached by the cops, etc. Operating on the assumption that he made no such threat, and that he was asked to leave and didn't refuse to do so, arresting and charging him for open carry, even foolishly, is wrong. The US is getting awfully close to becoming, if it hasn't already, a police state and arresting people who have not committed a crime, other than making someone uncomfortable is a police state act.
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But nearly every LEO will tell you, it's not their job to interpret the law. They just arrest people and let the judge sort it out.

I can't speak for local leo and traffic stops, but don't cops usually have to report in to some higher authority and get some type of permission before actually placing someone under arrest. The suspect is detained until the cop is told to go ahead and invoke arrest, in most cases, right?
 
Fred said:
I'm sure the good cops will be along any time now to arrest the bad ones who made this obviously false/political arrest.
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In this case, I think you're kind of referring to Crump. which is wrong and right but ultimately sad.
 
Made it back from Walmart unscathed!!

I did have some younger black man follow me and ask for my number - I declined
That was a new one

Yea, I met some rando at WalMart 😳
That sounds like a great idea OR how you find my body in a ditch 🤷‍♀️
 
Alabamacoastie said:
But nearly every LEO will tell you, it's not their job to interpret the law. They just arrest people and let the judge sort it out.

I can't speak for local leo and traffic stops, but don't cops usually have to report in to some higher authority and get some type of permission before actually placing someone under arrest. The suspect is detained until the cop is told to go ahead and invoke arrest, in most cases, right?
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I've been watching On Patrol LIVE, they don't need approval to make arrests, they sometimes discuss what charges, if any, will be applied.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
can't speak for local leo and traffic stops, but don't cops usually have to report in to some higher authority and get some type of permission before actually placing someone under arrest. The suspect is detained until the cop is told to go ahead and invoke arrest, in most cases, right?
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No. They do not have to get permission to arrest.
 
noway2 said:
Give him 867-5309 and tell him your name is Jenny.
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That would have been funny but had he tried to call/text me right there/then and realized it was a fake #, he could have gotten pissed off and things could have escalated. Safer to decline or take his number and walk away - first time at Walmart but not my first rodeo.
 
Jeppo said:
Chiappa Rhino revolver? Such an odd and expensive choice. 🤔
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And it appears, I could be wrong, the most expensive piece he had jammed in the waistband of his sweatpants...

Yeah if I was going to try to make a "political statement", one of really the only two possible reasons he was doing that, I would have opted to a cheaper loadout to sacrifice.

He's gonna have a helluva time getting all that stuff back regardless of the final outcome of his legal predicament. $3500 retail?
 
Spitball said:
Being a former LEO, Firearms instructor, Federal an State, CCW Instructor,Former Team Member S.W.A.T, NRA Rangemaster, former Private Overseas Security Contractor, Strong advocate of 2-A God Fearing Constitutionalist. This is just my humble opinions. This idiot is within his rights, but At first glance do we as citizens know his motives or intent?. Is he trying to make a statement or test local, state an federal law? Does he have a mental issue or is he trying project a superior image by open carry in a crowded area? Or does he plan on killing a multitude of innocent civilians… most people in society ARE NOT TRAINED to detect early warning signs to prevent a catastrophic event unless they have had proper training… I’m sure there are going to be a lot comments on this forum from self professed shithouse lawyers, left wing, right wing, Monday morning quarterbacks, little boys that built their first ar’s an sks in their mommies basement.. But when the rubber hits the road are you as a bystander are you going to know how to react when a mentally deficient human being like this invades a public place…. This may be the norm in a public place in a third world country in which I have witnessed personally, but it’s not the norm an should not be as of NOW in any place in the USA.. As I stated before I’m a very strong advocate of 2-A an CCW rights an have always live by the old LEO saying it’s better to be tried in a court of law by 12 than to be carried by 6 to the grave.. My first thought process on this was situational an two fold.. If I had members of my family present with me, hands down..(elude an evade) it’s only common sense period…. Situation #2… Follow an observed him at a safe an Tactical distance until backup arrives an hope he does not make any aggressive or calculated unsafe moves… I’m not a cowboy or a hero! But I have been involved in shooting situations, yes I have been hit an yes I have engaged an dispatched my perpetrators.. Years ago I was trained by a NOW Retired Special Forces Ground Commander Pappy Adkins that ask me a question I will NEVER forget. When a situation or mission goes south will you run to or from it? That’s what defines you inner warrior.. If I could offer any advice forget about Political Correctness an learn to be street smart an in today’s society have common sense an earn to profile criminals… If you get on an airplane an there’s a middle eastern male with a turban on cleaning his fingernails with a box cutter acting irrational,, (oh I know that ship has done sailed) what are you going to do… An with this current situation A middle aged darker skin (middle eastern type) carrying a AK-47 multiple magazines 2 handguns an a bullet proof vest… my reaction certainly not going to be go up an Pat him on the back an say, “ Buddy I’m proud of you for expressing your Second Amendment Rights… WAKE UP…..
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I understand that Walmart's have some peculiar individuals walking around. But I don't think I have ever heard as many weird incidents that I have listening to you all about Walmart's in North Carolina.:oops:
Now my wife is armed and been permitted for decades and will shoot you ass, but I* swear I don't think I would allow her to go to a Walmart in North Carolina...ever..;)
 
amyracecar said:
That would have been funny but had he tried to call/text me right there/then and realized it was a fake #, he could have gotten pissed off and things could have escalated. Safer to decline or take his number and walk away - first time at Walmart but not my first rodeo.
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I don't talk to strangers at Walmart. I was in men's room at Newark Airport, guy next to me starts talking to me, I ignored him, I know he was a police officer or detective, they frequent the rest rooms to arrest men on soliciting crimes. They get you to take a plea deal and pay a huge fine.
 
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amyracecar said:
Made it back from Walmart unscathed!!

I did have some younger black man follow me and ask for my number - I declined
That was a new one

Yea, I met some rando at WalMart 😳
That sounds like a great idea OR how you find my body in a ditch 🤷‍♀️
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Maybe he heard you had a race car and wondered if it was a little red corvette...
 
Alabamacoastie said:
I didn't mean any offense. Sounds like you have had some fantastic life experiences.
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Certainly no offense taken… If you noticed no military experience was noted ..I will make 1 statement though being a 3/75 Ranger in 9 different conflicts worldwide I’ve seen an experienced situations that would make a buzzard puke..
 
LarrySr. said:
BigWaylon

Could you please explain what this means for a new guy , me?
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He posted a huge wall of text, which is often difficult to read.

I was just saying use the Enter key to create paragraphs/readable chunks of info.
 
LarrySr. said:
I understand that Walmart's have some peculiar individuals walking around. But I don't think I have ever heard as many weird incidents that I have listening to you all about Walmart's in North Carolina.:oops:
Now my wife is armed and been permitted for decades and will shoot you ass, but I* swear I don't think I would allow her to go to a Walmart in North Carolina...ever..;)
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But as long as you’re asking questions…

Walmart’s what? 🤓
 
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