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Diablos

Diablos

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For a pre-built 12x24 "garage" that will have no power or water. Govco just want their blood money.

Oh, and I'll probably need one to finish the basement, even though I'm doing all the work. Wtf
 
This is so they can be sure they are taxing you enough... Finished > unfinished, and all that.
 
Diablos said:
However much this theft is, it's too much
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True that.

I wonder if it's based on size or if it's a flat rate kinda thing. More or less morbid curiosity because thieves are gonna thieve.
 
We don't need no stinking permit. We built a new screened in back porch and we didn't pull one, if we would have gotten busted we were going to just play stupid.
 
Diverdad said:
We don't need no stinking permit. We built a new screened in back porch and we didn't pull one, if we would have gotten busted we were going to just play stupid.
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The thought crossed my mind, but they fined the neighbors but good for not getting a permit for their shed. Guess it's based on size
 
Diablos said:
The thought crossed my mind, but they fined the neighbors but good for not getting a permit for their shed. Guess it's based on size
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Where you run into this issue is anything that can be seen or seen by busybody neighbors and reported.

I added a turn in on the acre next door with a pipe in the ditch, redid my retaining wall for the driveway and expanded the back to build a shed. Built the shed, put up a fence, cleaned the creek up, built a bridge across it, built a 16x16 post and beam to BBQ under, added a covered porch on the back of the house and renovated the entire house without a single permit.

All my neighbors who didn't actively help me said it looks great and it was like that when I moved in if anyone asks them lol.
 
I think for buildings some counties do it by size, seem to recall from my youth in Cumberland, dad got pissed when his shed was like two feet too long.

Forsyth if I read it right and remember right goes by cost, seem to recall it was $1500. Can build a pretty good pole barn for less than whatever it was.

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So...the problem with this is they will use satellite imagery to see anything done to your property. This is how you might solve/mitigate that issue.

Get some cheap harbor freight pop-up shelters, and put them in the place you want your building. Pop them up, take them down, pop them up, take them down. Do this and leave them up a few days at a time. Eventually that will be capture by the satellite. And since there's no evidence of a foundation being laid, contruction being done, etc. it just appeared


However it may take a while. Get the GIS info for your house the following year and see if they have it down on the tax card. If so, then build your building and make sure to use a roof the same color ;)

For a basement, it would be don't ask don't tell.

My 12x24 Leonard shed eventually made it's way on the tax card, and no I didn't get a permit to make it a permanent building.
 
The rle of thumb is any dimension greater than 12' and has a roof, or has some human safety/support element (i.e. a supported floor), will need a permit. Not at all to justify the merits of such a policy or permit: just jeopardy knowledge.
 
Ikarus1 said:
For a basement, it would be don't ask don't tell.
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A good home inspector will spot things during a home sale that should have been permitted--and whether or not they were done remotely close to code. Ask me how I know this...
 
9outof10mms said:
A good home inspector will spot things during a home sale that should have been permitted--and whether or not they were done remotely close to code. Ask me how I know this...
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Why would I have a home inspection? for a sale. is the OP selling?
 
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Chdamn said:
Where you run into this issue is anything that can be seen or seen by busybody neighbors and reported.

I added a turn in on the acre next door.......
All my neighbors who didn't actively help me said it looks great and it was like that when I moved in if anyone asks them lol.
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The survey map will not support your claim.
 
Diablos said:
No, but the concern is to prevent issues if we sell a few years down the road
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but you said no power or water, so other than if it's built like a shanty.....I don't know what there is to inspect or code for a non-heated non living space. What'd be the difference between that and buying a building at Home Depot?
 
You exercised your freedom and choose to live in an area with a permitting requirement, now you are whine about your lack of foresight?

Or that’s what I’d say if it was Friday.
 
Ikarus1 said:
but you said no power or water, so other than if it's built like a shanty.....I don't know what there is to inspect or code for a non-heated non living space. What'd be the difference between that and buying a building at Home Depot?
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I was referring to the basement on that part, need a dang permit for that too.:mad:
 
JimB said:
You exercised your freedom and choose to live in an area with a permitting requirement, now you are whine about your lack of foresight?

Or that’s what I’d say if it was Friday.
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This is outside city limits, seems this is how they get ya when there is no state income tax
 
Used to be here if it was over 400sf it needed a building permit. Dad didn’t get a permit for the couple they have on their property. And last time a building inspector was there he didn’t say shit
 
I have a neighbor that went to get a permit to put up one of these metal garages and he was told by the county that he HAD to pour a concrete pad for it, couldn't be gravel.
 
My understanding is that many counties only keep permit records for a few years.
 
Diablos said:
For a pre-built 12x24 "garage" that will have no power or water. Govco just want their blood money.

Oh, and I'll probably need one to finish the basement, even though I'm doing all the work. Wtf
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The government wants a cut of anything that makes your property more valuable.
 
Move here:
http://bsd.dli.mt.gov/building-codes-permits/building-permits/state-building-permit

Briefly, in areas outside cities certified to issue their own permits, state law exempts: (a) farm and ranch buildings; (b) mining buildings on mining property; (c) petroleum refineries and pulp and paper mills (except office and shop buildings); (d) residential buildings containing less than five dwelling units (except when serving transient guests); and (e) private garages and private storage buildings used for the owner's own use (not part of a commercial enterprise or business) from the need to obtain a state building permit.
 
Diverdad said:
We don't need no stinking permit. We built a new screened in back porch and we didn't pull one, if we would have gotten busted we were going to just play stupid.
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While I understand the gov't tax mumbo-jumbo, just be careful here. If you have a home insurance claim, and it does not necessarily have to involve the deck, and your carrier was not made aware of the addition, they will likely see if a permit was ever issued as part of the coverage investigation. If one was not issued, there is enough cause for your carrier to deny your claim and then likely drop your coverage entirely. Then you will have to deal with the local gov't in terms of fines and penalties if not other things like legal costs. If I was a potential home buyer and a selling point was a "newly" added screened deck, I would certainly ask to see if a permit was issued along with the final C.O. (certificate of occupancy) before even considering on making an offer. If someone or a builder tells you it was "built to code," I would run and run away fast!!! The building code is the bare minimum to which structures are built. That does not in any way say that the construction is of quality.
 
Diablos said:
I was referring to the basement on that part, need a dang permit for that too.:mad:
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For your basement improvement, you'll need a permit if you are running any electrical, plumbing or making any structural load-bearing changes to the area.
 
Mad Dawg said:
For your basement improvement, you'll need a permit if you are running any electrical, plumbing or making any structural load-bearing changes to the area.
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I could see that for major electrical, but to install some outlets and a breaker...

Thieves
 
Diablos said:
I could see that for major electrical, but to install some outlets and a breaker...

Thieves
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Sorry to say, but yep, permit needed. One of the biggest safety issues with construction and home improvements is with electrical work. Think of the safety of yourself and your family. How would you feel if there was a fire and it was traced to the electrical work that you did and someone in your family was hurt or worse? Getting and paying for the proper permits is pennies in comparison to any other loss.
 
Mad Dawg said:
Sorry to say, but yep, permit needed. One of the biggest safety issues with construction and home improvements is with electrical work. Think of the safety of yourself and your family. How would you feel if there was a fire and it was traced to the electrical work that you did and someone in your family was hurt or worse? Getting and paying for the proper permits is pennies in comparison to any other loss.
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A personal decision that requires no involvement of thieves.
 
I just wrote a check to the city for a "fire inspection". Asst Fire Chief came over, walked in and asked to see our extinguisher, turned around and left. 2 days later I have an invoice for $100.
 
Mad Dawg said:
Sorry to say, but yep, permit needed. One of the biggest safety issues with construction and home improvements is with electrical work. Think of the safety of yourself and your family. How would you feel if there was a fire and it was traced to the electrical work that you did and someone in your family was hurt or worse? Getting and paying for the proper permits is pennies in comparison to any other loss.
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well...if it's for the children then I guess I'm okay with just a little subjugation. Just the tip though please...
 
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