The AUG as a serious use rifle.

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For the past 6 months or so I have been using my Steyr A3 M1 AUG as my primary rifle. I've become quite fond of it and reached conclusions about it that I hope are valuable to some of you here.

I'll try to be brief as I could probably write a novel about my opinion of the AUG but the tl;dr is that I think it's a fantastically underappreciated rifle in the US and it's a good fit for far more people than you might think.

So the #1 upside to the AUG is that it's compact and just damn shootable, especially off hand, crouching or in awkward positions. Barricade work is much easier than traditional rifles plus using it in and around a vehicle is a dream compared to anything else I've tried. Plus my 133lb wife can shoot it offhand easier than any other gun I own because all the weight is next to the body rather than out front like a traditional rifle. The compact nature means it flops around a lot less when slung tightly, this is valuable to me as hiking with a rifle that flops around is a pain in the neck.

Something not often talked about with the AUG is the long term durability of the system. I've seen examples with 10k rounds on them with very minimal signs of wear, much less than an AR or even an AK (which is my first love). These rifles just run and don't break. The barrels are cold hammer forged, made by FN and even a 20" barreled AUG is just shorter than a MK18 which is incredible in my opinion. There are no gas rings to worry about and since it's a short stroke gas piston, the receiver stays much cleaner than an AR. The only real wear item, the bolt cage, is usually less than 50 bucks to replace and the bolt itself usually lasts 2-3 times longer than an AR's bolt.

With the pistol brace ban making AR pistols alot less appealing lately, I think a lot of people are taking a second look at the AUG and rightfully so, it's compact, ergonomic, and handy all while maintaining a 16" barrel or 14.5" if you prefer. There's no need to register anything or pay 200 bucks for a stamp and you still get a rifle that is short, compact, handy, easily accepts all optics and can be made lefty friendly for under 20 bucks.

Something alot of people seem to not know is that Magpul makes dedicated AUG mags that are just as high quality as any AR mag and they're available year round directly from Magpul. You could always buy a "NATO AUG" to use AR-15 mags but I don't recommend them as they're more expensive and have less aftermarket support and you'll lose the bolt release. Plus the Magpul AUG mags are about the same MSRP as a Gen 3 windowed PMAG.

Historically AUG's have been a 1700-2000 rifle depending on model, color, and configuration but lately they've been going on sell for 1500 brand new which is the cost of many mid to upper tier AR-15's and much easier to stomach than 2k. Bereli and PSA run a sale about 2-3 times per year on the AUG so there's no need to pay the 1900 that some people ask for used ones.

There is also the myth that they don't run steel cased ammo very well but in my experience with a brand new, out of the box AUG, it ran steel cased ammo just fine on the regular gas setting with no break in needed. It's quite obvious it recoils a little softer but it runs fine and locks back on the last shot. I've owned 2 different AUGs and both have ran steel cased ammo on the normal setting with all available mags in temps from 12° to 95° so I think it's safe to say it's a myth.

The downsides are that the aftermarket support is about 1/100th what it is for the AR although, in my opinion they're best enjoyed with an optic, sling, and a case of ammo. Though aftermarket triggers, brass deflectors, mag releases, and parts to make it a suppressor host are all available on the US market.

The stock trigger isn't the best, it's about the same weight as a milspec AR trigger but it's a little more squishy. I think many people exaggerate how bad it is because it's historically been popular to crap on bullpup triggers.
Personally as someone who grew up shooting Mosins, it's not a problem for me and I'm still able to shoot under 2 MOA with my stock trigger. Again, aftermarket triggers are available and make the trigger quite good for about the same or less than a LaRue MBT.

A stock AUG isn't the most lefty friendly gun but can be made shootable for wrong handed people and the lack of a rail section on the very end (like an AR-15) leave something to be desired for mounting IR lasers and so on but again, solutions for this exist, it's just not as readily available as for an AR-15. I have a 3d printed bras deflector that I paid 11 bucks for that makes my rifle lefty friendly.

What draws me to the gun is that it just works out of the box and doesn't need this or that to run right, it just works and works and works with very little maintenance, also what I love about AK's. It's a really underrated design though it does seem to be gaining popularity since the brace ban.

I think if you're looking for a rifle that is good to go out of the box, maybe something that needs a sling, optic and a paint job then you should seriously consider the AUG.

There's a whole lot of opinion you didn't ask for, thanks for reading 😂PXL_20230825_233032293.jpg
 
I'm an AUG lover too!

I'll add that you can adjust the trigger bar to take up slack which improves the feel also it requires, in most cases, a special gas plug to run them suppressed.
The gas adjustment isn't very intuitive and keep you hand away from the vent holes on the gas block!

The QD barrel feature is the bomb when it is time to clean.

IIRC to run the NATO stock it takes a different trigger pack, I've got a NATO stock & pack but have never bothered to try it.
 
Began service life in 1977 and still in the hands of quite a few militaries and police units today. There must be something good about it.

I've always wanted to try one but I was unimpressed with the Tavor and I don't know that bullpups are really my thing. The AUG looks so svelte though, I'm always close to pushing the "checkout now" button on one.
 
What draws me to the gun is that it just works out of the box and doesn't need this or that to run right, it just works and works and works with very little maintenance, also what I love about AK's. It's a really underrated design though it does seem to be gaining popularity since the brace ban.

I do have a question about this statement, though.

I've been around for a number of decades now, and I've never seen any systemic issue with a "gun that just works out of the box and doesn't need this or that to run right". Is this really such an issue as to be noteworthy?

ALL my several guns have worked right straight out of the box, with the exception of one that had an obvious manufacturing defect in the chamber (which was replaced by the manufacturer).

And keep up with the opinions like this! I enjoy persona gun reviews.
 
IIRC to run the NATO stock it takes a different trigger pack, I've got a NATO stock & pack but have never bothered to try it.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the trigger pack is the same. They do cut the left side transfer bar before the mag well though. It makes the NATO trigger worse than the non NATO one since you've got all of the force pushing/flexing a single bar and adding rotational force to the pack linkages.

I think the trigger linkage and sear design are the AUGs biggest weak points. I don't know how they neglected to make it not drop safe from the rear. Can't even beat someone to death in the trenches with it!
 
I don't know how they neglected to make it not drop safe from the rear. Can't even beat someone to death in the trenches with it!
beat one, shoot another. just gotta swing it at the right angle
 
I'm a huge fan of the bullpups, especially the military-adopted types. Most that have the M16/AR15 manual-of-arms ingrained in them, probably won't like bullpups - but that's a training issue that can be overcome. Bullpups are above all - HANDY.

But truth be told, I think the real reason for my love of bullpups is that I bought my first of dozens AR's 37 years ago, so I truly appreciate something different and good, especially as a collector.
 
Those space guns are on sale right now at AF

 
Those space guns are on sale right now at AF


Berelli has them for 1424$ after coupon code 5FORTHANKS. Free s/h but they do charge tax.

 
Always liked the way the AUG looked, and also the F2000. Have you had experience shooting that model?
I'm still kicking myself for passing on a NIB F2000 for under $600 at a gun show. Guy had a bunch of them right after they went away and was shoving them out the door at a bargain price.
 
Those space guns are on sale right now at AF

at least they are honest about the trigger pull65A939DF-1F14-4B00-9F8E-03C90428AA7A.jpeg
 
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the trigger pack is the same. They do cut the left side transfer bar before the mag well though. It makes the NATO trigger worse than the non NATO one since you've got all of the force pushing/flexing a single bar and adding rotational force to the pack linkages.

I think the trigger linkage and sear design are the AUGs biggest weak points. I don't know how they neglected to make it not drop safe from the rear. Can't even beat someone to death in the trenches with it!
TBH I'm not sure of the difference between the packs but Steyr lists both a standard & NATO pack in their parts listings.
 
When we were shooting the SOF 3 gun matches only current issued military rifles and sights were allowed, the Donut of Death reticle was a big advantage. Close just paint it, distance was easier. I'm a huge fan and they are very durable as OP pointed out and very handy. There are various after market triggers but Steyr has springs to help also.
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Great post!
Curious on the adaptability for left hand use. I heard the ones that use AR mags are more difficult to do than the ones that use AUG mags? Do you know why this is (if true)?
The triggers on NATO AUG's do lose a trigger transfer bar so they are worse than a standard one and I'm pretty sure than brass deflectors that fit standard AUG stocks won't fit the NATO one.

Also, I may be wrong about this, but I think the left handed bolt doesn't work with a NATO AUG stock but I'm not 100% of that. I could be wrong about this.
 
Always liked the way the AUG looked, and also the F2000. Have you had experience shooting that model?
I have no experience with an FS200, I have shot a Hellion and I really liked it as well, it's a bit more modern and would be a better suppressors host and is easier to set up for night vision usage.
 
Began service life in 1977 and still in the hands of quite a few militaries and police units today. There must be something good about it.

I've always wanted to try one but I was unimpressed with the Tavor and I don't know that bullpups are really my thing. The AUG looks so svelte though, I'm always close to pushing the "checkout now" button on one.
Yeah, it's a lot of coin to drop on something you're not sure you'll like.

I have a private 150 yard range in the Lenoir area, I'd be happy to let you shoot mine if we could coordinate something on a Thursday or Friday, that's when I'm free. Might save you alot of money or cost you a lot of money if you like shooting it😂
 
I do have a question about this statement, though.

I've been around for a number of decades now, and I've never seen any systemic issue with a "gun that just works out of the box and doesn't need this or that to run right". Is this really such an issue as to be noteworthy?

ALL my several guns have worked right straight out of the box, with the exception of one that had an obvious manufacturing defect in the chamber (which was replaced by the manufacturer).

And keep up with the opinions like this! I enjoy persona gun reviews.
I guess what I mean is that it doesn't have a break in period like some other guns I've used. My PTR-91 had a roughly 150 round break in period, which isn't a big deal if you're shooting 9mm but it hurt to buy a gun then have to set aside another 200 for 308 to break it in. Same with some high end 2011's I've shot.

Also, for certain American made AK's it's recommended to replace the firing pin with a surplus one or like replacing factory sights on a Glock, those small things annoy me personally.
 
weren't we supposed to have a weird gun and bullpup party one of these days?
I believe I was once in early stages of discussion to buy that fs2000 from @Dan0311 , but the going rate on those things shut down the talks real quick.

Also, if anybody is looking for a walther g22, I know of a pawn shop that has 2 for pretty good prices. I'm thinking of picking one up, but i already have 2.

And if anybody needs an original "red jacket firearms" zk22 shell for a 10/22 (now the aklys defense zk22) let me know... i got a ps90 to scratch that itch so I can do without the 22 clone.
 
weren't we supposed to have a weird gun and bullpup party one of these days?
I believe I was once in early stages of discussion to buy that fs2000 from @Dan0311 , but the going rate on those things shut down the talks real quick.

Also, if anybody is looking for a walther g22, I know of a pawn shop that has 2 for pretty good prices. I'm thinking of picking one up, but i already have 2.

And if anybody needs an original "red jacket firearms" zk22 shell for a 10/22 (now the aklys defense zk22) let me know... i got a ps90 to scratch that itch so I can do without the 22 clone.
Lol, no Sir, that wasn't me. I never had an inclination to sell it. Pre-1900 rifles, bullpups and lever-action pistol caliber guns are the only things that really interest me these days. I'm finally loosening up about selling my doubles and triples, so perhaps it was a Belgian FAL we discussed? They're pretty pricey.
 
Good review.
I’ve shot several AUGs over the years, and I like the idea of a bull pup. The reality for me was magazine changes were awkward at best, and the trigger characteristics are poor even by service Rifle standards.
But I want to like it, maybe I’ll have to give another one a try.
 
Good review.
I’ve shot several AUGs over the years, and I like the idea of a bull pup. The reality for me was magazine changes were awkward at best, and the trigger characteristics are poor even by service Rifle standards.
But I want to like it, maybe I’ll have to give another one a try.
Expensive but the best bullpup made. MDRX . Very complicated weapon but you will not be disappointed.
 
Lol, no Sir, that wasn't me. I never had an inclination to sell it.
well somebody was saying they'd let it go for like 2200 - which is cheaper than anything else i've seen for it in years
 
How would this thing do as a squirrel rifle?
It’s only a .22 caliber, so you should be good to go. Plus, who wouldn’t like killing, skinning, and gutting all in one shot 🤣🤣🤣
 
How would this thing do as a squirrel rifle?
I googled it looking for a squirrel holding an Aug but found some dude that actually shot squirrels with it and posted pics lol

 
I just remembered this rifle was featured pretty prominently in the movie “The Package” starring Gene Hackman and Tommy Lee Jones back in 1989. Tommy Lee Jones performs a pretty impressive drill with his AUG.
 
In the run and gun practical rifle matches I competed in back in the mid 80s in Illinois, the AUG was rare and considered unbeatable. Whenever the chap with his showed up we knew he had 1st place. He had the only optic sight equipped rifle in competition and that along with its overall handiness gave him an edge over the rest of us, even with mandatory magazine swaps.
 
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