What's you preferred ammo for self defense

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Inside the home. Is it slugs, buckshot, some fancy thing that shoots flames? Just curious what you guys like.
 
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Gnash.Hyena said:
Try a bunch of brands and see which one patterns best in your gun, and send it.
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Yep.

It's going to be bad enough that you have to murderize someone, but having to repair drywall and reframe diplomas is going to add insult to injury.
 
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kcult said:
Yep.

It's going to be bad enough that you have to murderized someone, but having to repair drywall and reframe diplomas is going to add insult to injury.
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Pretty much. My preference is keeping all pellets in an IPSC target at 25 yards. That should hopefully minimize chances of hitting something I don't want to hit. But YMMV.
 
I'm digging the low-recoil Fiocchi 00 buck (9 pellet 1250fps). Super easy to shoot even for my wife, relatively tight shooting inside of 15-20 yards, and readily available.

Federal flite control is undoubtedly a better load, but a bit more difficult to find, and quite a bit more expensive. Longest shot inside of my house would be 15 yards, and if I had to step outside for some goofy reason, I'd take that extra moment to grab a carbine.
 
I still haven't shot my shotgun. I bought some 9 pellet Federal flight control and some Federal slugs just to keep the options open. Never know if the intruder is going to be on 4 legs and would make a nice rug in front of the fireplace.
 
The brand/type for shotgun has been the least thought I have given to any defense ammunition. Anything 00 that cycles. Flight controlled and all that is cool, but any shot Ill likely be making in my home is going to be less than 10-15 yards. So pretty much all of them will be a pattern smaller than a pie plate.
 
Looks like I may be the odd man out here, in a way, when it comes to shotgun HD rounds. When it comes to potential in home social work needs, I load my 8 shot shorty in a manner that the first 4 rounds out are birdshot, then the remaining 4 are 00. My barn and truck shotty are loaded first 4 out are 00 and the remaining 4 are slugs.
 
B00ger said:
The brand/type for shotgun has been the least thought I have given to any defense ammunition. Anything 00 that cycles. Flight controlled and all that is cool, but any shot Ill likely be making in my home is going to be less than 10-15 yards. So pretty much all of them will be a pattern smaller than a pie plate.
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I’ve thought about switching to Estate 00…not that I dislike Federal or it doesn’t pattern tight, but it may pattern “too” tight. The Estate does well at my in-home distances, but does spread a bit more than the FC.

Either way, the EMS crew that responds is getting a bad hand dealt to them.
 
Dale Gribble said:
I’ve thought about switching to Estate 00…not that I dislike Federal or it doesn’t pattern tight, but it may pattern “too” tight. The Estate does well at my in-home distances, but does spread a bit more than the FC.

Either way, the EMS crew that responds is getting a bad hand dealt to them.
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“Sir, not only did they blast half of your body away, he used the cheapest shells possible…you should feel even worse…”
 
First round is 3” #4 buckshot. Then a round of 7 1/2. I’m gonna add insult to injury, and shred my wall pictures making a new form of art
 
The first gun to be reached for is a PCC 9 setup with tactical light, can and 32 round mag, secondary is a Glock 19 that uses the same mags as the PCC9. If I have to retreat to a safer room or my wife does, then there is a Mossberg shockwave setup with a green laser and light. The first 2 or 3 rounds in low recoil #5 mag shot followed up with 00 buck shot
 
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What's the thinking behind the staggered loads? We're talking about shooting bad guys coming in the house presumably to do harm to the people that live there. Peppering his face with birdshot to be followed up with a load or two of 00 buck just seems like you're wasting time torturing the fella(s) before letting him/them know you're actually serious about defending and they're leaving in bags. And given the litigious society we live in, hitting the intruder with just birdshot seems like a recipe for civil court troubles akin to the people who get sued because the burgular had a slip and fall while stealing grandma's pearls. I remember reading about a housekeeper that stole fireworks from her employer's house, then sued him when her child blew his finger off. Anyway, seems like if we're shooting to stop then we should be loading in a way to make the stop likely on the first discharge. Play this out a little further...that first discharge may have the effect of stunning the shooter with flash and bang. Do you really want to risk it not being the shot that stops an attack if it's the only one you have with all your senses working?
 
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Timfoilhat said:
What's the thinking behind the staggered loads? We're talking about shooting bad guys coming in the house presumably to do harm to the people that live there. Peppering his face with birdshot to be followed up with a load or two of 00 buck just seems like you're wasting time torturing the fella(s) before letting him/them know you're actually serious about defending and they're leaving in bags. And given the litigious society we live in, hitting the intruder with birdshot and not killing him seems like a recipe for civil court troubles akin to the people who get sued because the burgular had a slip and fall while stealing grandma's pearls. I remember reading about a housekeeper that stole fireworks from her employer's house, then sued him when her child blew his finger off. Anyway, seems like if we're shooting to stop then we should be loading in a way to make the stop likely on the first discharge.
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It is Fudd vestigiality.
 
Timfoilhat said:
What's the thinking behind the staggered loads? We're talking about shooting bad guys coming in the house presumably to do harm to the people that live there. Peppering his face with birdshot to be followed up with a load or two of 00 buck just seems like you're wasting time torturing the fella(s) before letting him/them know you're actually serious about defending and they're leaving in bags. And given the litigious society we live in, hitting the intruder with just birdshot seems like a recipe for civil court troubles akin to the people who get sued because the burgular had a slip and fall while stealing grandma's pearls. I remember reading about a housekeeper that stole fireworks from her employer's house, then sued him when her child blew his finger off. Anyway, seems like if we're shooting to stop then we should be loading in a way to make the stop likely on the first discharge. Play this out a little further...that first discharge may have the effect of stunning the shooter with flash and bang. Do you really want to risk it not being the shot that stops an attack if it's the only one you have with all your senses working?
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I actually load my old Mossberg 500 1st 2 shells are bird shot, 2nd 2 are 00 buck, and the last 2 are slugs. The bird shot at point blank range would be pretty bad and shouldn't penetrate more than a layer of drywall, 00 buck is for if they don't get the point and the slugs are for through the wall for good measure.
 
Timfoilhat said:
What's the thinking behind the staggered loads? We're talking about shooting bad guys coming in the house presumably to do harm to the people that live there. Peppering his face with birdshot to be followed up with a load or two of 00 buck just seems like you're wasting time torturing the fella(s) before letting him/them know you're actually serious about defending and they're leaving in bags. And given the litigious society we live in, hitting the intruder with just birdshot seems like a recipe for civil court troubles akin to the people who get sued because the burgular had a slip and fall while stealing grandma's pearls. I remember reading about a housekeeper that stole fireworks from her employer's house, then sued him when her child blew his finger off. Anyway, seems like if we're shooting to stop then we should be loading in a way to make the stop likely on the first discharge. Play this out a little further...that first discharge may have the effect of stunning the shooter with flash and bang. Do you really want to risk it not being the shot that stops an attack if it's the only one you have with all your senses working?
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Ok… I’m that guy.. so why do I mix loads 4 bird / 4 00?? I do this as it works for the layout of my home and the fact that I want to lessen to potential of shooting through a wall and harming killing a family member or visitors. I’m sure we are all quite good at shooting shots on target at the range or long shots in the field / woods…. But I feel lot of folks have set a perfect scenario in their mind that includes perfect shots down a long hallway or catching the miscreant at the door. The reality is you need to prepare for potential ill-timed and odd shots that may occur form a struggle and that is why “I” choose to load my defense weapon the way I do, based on
My home layout. I know there are some that may have, but how many have actually run scenarios in their home to simulate a real home invasion scenario and do this with your family and telling them where to hide or where to get down to lessen the threat of injury.. also, when it comes to the perpetrator, I could care less if they are injured or dead, as long as the threat has been mitigated and my family is safe.
 
Chuckman said:
Flechettes:

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Followed by white phos.
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I like this, a tube full of mall Nina shells.

Flechette, then white phos, then dragon breath, then bolo, then rock salt, then bean bag, then rubber buck, then some taofledermaus nonsense, then…you get the idea.

The bad guy might not be dead but he would certainly be on the ground wondering what the hell just happened.
 
Herk said:
I actually load my old Mossberg 500 1st 2 shells are bird shot, 2nd 2 are 00 buck, and the last 2 are slugs. The bird shot at point blank range would be pretty bad and shouldn't penetrate more than a layer of drywall, 00 buck is for if they don't get the point and the slugs are for through the wall for good measure.
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I appreciate the thought going into your conclusions, but isn't this what a side saddle could accomplish? Keep shotgun "cruiser ready" with buckshot in the tube. Keep smaller shot and slugs on the side saddle. Now you have a choice on what to stick in the chamber for the first shot.
 
Timfoilhat said:
I appreciate the thought going into your conclusions, but isn't this what a side saddle could accomplish? Keep shotgun "cruiser ready" with buckshot in the tube. Keep smaller shot and slugs on the side saddle. Now you have a choice on what to stick in the chamber for the first shot.
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Guess you could get one of these! I've daydreamed of it.KSG.jpg
 
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