Where my runners at?

Just started a C210K training regimen with my daughter this morning, though I’m thankfully not starting from the couch part. I have been working out 3-4 times a week for two years now. Have lost 70ish pounds in that time period. I had planned on dropping another 30 pounds or so before adding running to my workout, but she wants to do a 10K this spring for her birthday, so I’m hitting the training earlier than planned. Went better than I expected. We will see how sore I am later. Lol

Good part is the us will help me drop those 30 pounds more quickly.
Good luck and good progress so far! It definitely helped me, as long as you don't use the new running workout to validate a diet change, like I did. It should help you feel a little better all around too.
10k is my favorite race, I plan on trying for a sub 50 min time early next year.
 
First, great job!

Second, I hate 'beach' runs for that very reason.
Thanks!
Yeah I may not be doing another there, but the flat ground was very much appreciated
 
Thanks!
Yeah I may not be doing another there, but the flat ground was very much appreciated

Camp Lejeune has a great race 'series', the Grand Prix (I don't know if they are still doing it). My one and only marathon was a very long time ago at Camp Lejeune; hella flat which was very nice, but it felt like the headwind took 20 minutes off my time. They had a true 8K beach run I did, my split was hilarious because of the wind. Down beach was a shade under 20 minutes, up beach was 30 minutes.
 
Camp Lejeune has a great race 'series', the Grand Prix (I don't know if they are still doing it). My one and only marathon was a very long time ago at Camp Lejeune; hella flat which was very nice, but it felt like the headwind took 20 minutes off my time. They had a true 8K beach run I did, my split was hilarious because of the wind. Down beach was a shade under 20 minutes, up beach was 30 minutes.
It has never been bad here in the piedmont like that training so when we got out on the bridge and had a 20 mph wind in our face I went from 8:30 splits to 9:30 splits and many of the people in front of me dropped way behind during that stretch. it takes it out of you.
I cant imagine a true beach 8k, the sand works on my knees. I'm not surprised at the 10 minute difference over 3 miles with a strong wind like that
 
Does anyone have any recommendations on a trail runner that is a little wider in the midfoot than Hokas to investigate? My two day to day shoes are Hoka Bondis in size 11, and they're just a bit narrow in the midfoot, but I have New Balance Fresh Foam 880's in 10.5W that are the most perfect fitting, comfortable shoes I've ever worn. I have severe arthritis in my left knee and moderate-severe in my right, so I need as much cushion as possible, especially since everything around here is hard pack clay.
 
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Does anyone have any recommendations on a trail runner that is a little wider in the midfoot than Hokas to investigate? My two day to day shoes are Hoka Bondis in size 11, and they're just a bit narrow in the midfoot, but I have Reebok Fresh Foam 880's in 10.5W that are the most perfect fitting, comfortable shoes I've ever worn. I have severe arthritis in my left knee and moderate-severe in my right, so I need as much cushion as possible, especially since everything around here is hard pack clay.
You've got a few options. If you like the fresh foam (I'm guessing you meant New Balance and not reebok?) The garoe should be the most similar in a trail running format. I don't have any experience in the trail running space so take what I say with a grain of salt, just echoing what my friends recommend/use. People seem to love the More v2/v3 trail
My buddy who runs A LOT runs in Karhu Ikoni trails, but I'm not sure how the width on those goes.
I ran my half in Adidas, and find myself running in them more often than my New Balances. These also use lightstrike foam and the continental outsole is very good.
If you like lower drop shoes, I've been recommended the Altra lone peak's more than once.
 
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Does anyone have any recommendations on a trail runner that is a little wider in the midfoot than Hokas to investigate? My two day to day shoes are Hoka Bondis in size 11, and they're just a bit narrow in the midfoot, but I have Reebok Fresh Foam 880's in 10.5W that are the most perfect fitting, comfortable shoes I've ever worn. I have severe arthritis in my left knee and moderate-severe in my right, so I need as much cushion as possible, especially since everything around here is hard pack clay.

If you don't mind zero-drop, Altra. Because they are no-drop/minimal-drop, they do take some getting used to. Also Brooks.
 
You've got a few options. If you like the fresh foam (I'm guessing you meant New Balance and not reebok?) The garoe should be the most similar in a trail running format. I don't have any experience in the trail running space so take what I say with a grain of salt, just echoing what my friends recommend/use. People seem to love the More v2/v3 trail
My buddy who runs A LOT runs in Karhu Ikoni trails, but I'm not sure how the width on those goes.
I ran my half in Adidas, and find myself running in them more often than my New Balances. These also use lightstrike foam and the continental outsole is very good.
If you like lower drop shoes, I've been recommended the Altra lone peak's more than once.
You're correct, New Balance (my lifters are Reebok). I'll check a few of those out (it helps that Fleet Feet is local and carries them). I have a set of NB Nitrel V5's right now for hiking in, but they run on the small side for a 10.5W (tight in the toe box) and definitely do not have enough padding to run in (made that mistake once).

I'll be sure to check out some of the zero drop options as well. I hadn't considered Altra's previously because I didn't think they made heavy cushioned versions, but I see now that they do.
 
If you don't mind zero-drop, Altra. Because they are no-drop/minimal-drop, they do take some getting used to. Also Brooks.
I've also had success with Altra and Brooks. To get used to any new shoe I have a pipeline where a new shoe starts out as my everyday shoe, then becomes my running/walking shoe, and then becomes a yard-work shoe or gets donated if it's still in pretty good shape. Fresh shoes are important as you get older and have hip/knee problems. I look for close-out sales of last years shoes to save some money.
 
I sat in my running gear for a couple of hours before I finally decided to head out and now I'm looking at the trailhead with zero motivation. It's been like this for a week or two now.
 
I sat in my running gear for a couple of hours before I finally decided to head out and now I'm looking at the trailhead with zero motivation. It's been like this for a week or two now.
Been there, the first and the last few weeks training for my half were that way. If you can make yourself run for 5 mins or so, sometimes you'll run more, sometimes you'll quit at 5 mins. Every time it gets a little easier. Good news is that if you made it to the trailhead you've done the hard part IMO

Anyone running any turkey trots tomorrow? I may just run a little race with myself tomorrow morning I'll post distance, route and time if anyone wants to make a little CFF competition
 
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After trips to two different Fleet Feet locations today, came home with a pair of Topo Mountain Runner 3’s.

Hokas were waaay too narrow in the toe box in a 2e width and don’t come in 4e. The Altras I tried had a funky cut around the heel that I wasn’t a fan of.

The employee helping me out said I really needed an 11 and not a 10.5 wide since my toe was a little too far forward, and the Topos fit like a glove with a decent amount of cushion. Apparently the guy who started Topo is the guy who designed the Vibram 5 Fingers shoes, and all the Topos tend to run very wide in the mid foot and toe box while staying smaller in the heel which is perfect for feet like mine (the other Topos I tried fit great as well.)

Really hoping I can trot along in these and not have my knees blow up like balloons. Would really like to build some cardio and endurance back up to help me get back on my mountain bike come Spring.
 
I sat in my running gear for a couple of hours before I finally decided to head out and now I'm looking at the trailhead with zero motivation. It's been like this for a week or two now.
Have you tried running with music? For the first 20+ years I ran without music, but lately I find it really helpful to get motivated. I put on a running playlist in the house while getting dressed and stretching, and then continue with it out the door. If I'm really dragging I also tell myself I'll just start with a walk and maybe transition to run/walk. Or walk the hills and run the flats. The point is to have some fallback plans so you get out the door. Most days you'll end up feeling good after a half mile and have a good run.
 
Well, after not running a mile since the 6th grade Presidential Fitness Test, I went for my first trail run yesterday.

3.1 mile loop according to the trail map, rocky/rooty with 100 feet of constantly changing elevation, took me 53 minutes. Did my best to run as much of it as possible - went my first 12 minutes with no breaks which surprised me (amazed I lasted that long).

Appreciated the wide platform and grip of the Topos. They saved me on three occasions where I hit a rock or root obscured by leaves that rolled my foot to the side. When hiking in my NB's, that same roll wouldn't be caught and my ankle would take the brunt of it.

Knees did OK, but foot/calf pain and pinching in my neck/shoulder were the limiting factor the majority of the time, more so than cardio - though the wet leaves were doing a number on my asthma by the end. The foot/calf pain isn't particularly surprising to me - its an issue I've been fighting for years while doing any leg-intensive exercise - mountain biking and strongman workouts included, like forward-facing sled pulls or drags where you're pushing off your toes. I had to stop and stretch a few times along the way, and by the end the pain had let up a bit, but my legs were gassed by then.

Today, my quads are screaming and my hips are sore, right where the leg bone connects to the hip bone. I'm guessing with my Clydesdale-like running form (probably more "stomping" than running), coupled with nearly 230 lbs beating the joints to death with every step, that its going to take a while for that soreness to subside.
 
Well, after not running a mile since the 6th grade Presidential Fitness Test, I went for my first trail run yesterday.

3.1 mile loop according to the trail map, rocky/rooty with 100 feet of constantly changing elevation, took me 53 minutes. Did my best to run as much of it as possible - went my first 12 minutes with no breaks which surprised me (amazed I lasted that long).

Appreciated the wide platform and grip of the Topos. They saved me on three occasions where I hit a rock or root obscured by leaves that rolled my foot to the side. When hiking in my NB's, that same roll wouldn't be caught and my ankle would take the brunt of it.

Knees did OK, but foot/calf pain and pinching in my neck/shoulder were the limiting factor the majority of the time, more so than cardio - though the wet leaves were doing a number on my asthma by the end. The foot/calf pain isn't particularly surprising to me - its an issue I've been fighting for years while doing any leg-intensive exercise - mountain biking and strongman workouts included, like forward-facing sled pulls or drags where you're pushing off your toes. I had to stop and stretch a few times along the way, and by the end the pain had let up a bit, but my legs were gassed by then.

Today, my quads are screaming and my hips are sore, right where the leg bone connects to the hip bone. I'm guessing with my Clydesdale-like running form (probably more "stomping" than running), coupled with nearly 230 lbs beating the joints to death with every step, that its going to take a while for that soreness to subside.

First, well done! Trail running beats you up differently than running on a level surface for sure.

Your hips, are they sore on the sides, front, or back?
 
That's awesome man!

I'm a noob still so take it for what it's worth... I'd start off at a much shorter distance, maybe half that and then work up.

You have to give your body time to get back into the swing of things. The muscles, tendons, and even bones aren't ready yet if you've been out of the saddle that long.

Better to take a couple months to build up than to take a couple months healing and making no progress at all.

Still awesome job. I miss those sore quads and calves, they felt so good to stretch out while I was in my recliner.
 
First, well done! Trail running beats you up differently than running on a level surface for sure.

Your hips, are they sore on the sides, front, or back?
Front - which isn't surprising, as I often have issues getting glutes to fire and always have psoas issues.

That's awesome man!

I'm a noob still so take it for what it's worth... I'd start off at a much shorter distance, maybe half that and then work up.

You have to give your body time to get back into the swing of things. The muscles, tendons, and even bones aren't ready yet if you've been out of the saddle that long.

Better to take a couple months to build up than to take a couple months healing and making no progress at all.

Still awesome job. I miss those sore quads and calves, they felt so good to stretch out while I was in my recliner.

This particular trail is a directional loop, so there was no real way to shorten it for an out and back. Next time I go out, I think I'm going to head over to the trail that heads out from the horse barn, as its much flatter and isn't a loop. It also tends to be a little "loamier" than the other trails with a little more cushion, not to mention generally more scenic.
 
I just barely managed to eke out my best month at 47.6 miles. It’s been pretty tough with the time change and some other life stuff to find the time.

Right now, I’m doing around 3.5 miles twice a week and then try to get a longer run in during the weekend of least 4.5 miles. I’m actively trying to stretch that last run farther.

I’m considering keeping the shorter runs at just 5k or so but adding another one. It would be easier me, because of time pressure, to add another run than it would be to lengthen the shorter runs.
 
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Was 20 degrees when we went running today. Wasn’t as bad as I expected. Not by a long shot. Layered up and was sweating in no time, but never got too hot. We ran more than the C210K plan called for and all was good.
 
Yesterday, it was 20 degrees when we went out for our training run/walk. Total distance of 3.8 miles, with about 2 of that running. Being somewhat new to all this, I wasn’t sure how to dress to be warm enough without getting too hot while running. We dragged out various layers we use for backpacking and it all turned out well. By the time we finished, the temp was up to a balmy 27 degrees. lol.

In past forays into fitness, I would have used the cold as an excuse to skip the day. Felt great to get after it, as Jocko would say, and overcome the obstacle. And was even more awesome to see my daughter take it on so cheerfully. She made us run more than the C210K plan calls for at the stage we are at. And she was gleeful in doing it. lol.
 
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This is very much true.


I wish I had figured this out when I was younger. I‘ve spent a lot of my life staying in my lane and going after things within my gift set. Only the last couple years have I really been pushing the envelope and doing things because they are hard and because I can. It is awesome.
 
Yesterday, it was 20 degrees when we went out for our training run/walk. Total distance of 3.8 miles, with about 2 of that running. Being somewhat new to all this, I wasn’t sure how to dress to be warm enough without getting too hot while running. We dragged out various layers we use for backpacking and it all turned out well. By the time we finished, the temp was up to a balmy 27 degrees. lol.

In past forays into fitness, I would have used the cold as an excuse to skip the day. Felt great to get after it, as Jocko would say, and overcome the obstacle. And was even more awesome to see my daughter take it on so cheerfully. She made us run more than the C210K plan calls for at the stage we are at. And she was gleeful in doing it. lol.

Just saw this this morning, about running in cold weather:

 
Today’s run was an alleged 2.25 miles in 44 minutes. It was definitely longer than that because the google app was drawing straight lines between points and not following the trail contours.

Started out ok, but calf cramps and burning in my arches/fascia got me again. I struggled all around on the return leg. Did not realize that this particular trail is downhill the way out and uphill nearly the entire way back. My lack of sleep over the past few days definitely reared it’s head as well.

I did pass people on horseback twice though, and thankfully everyone I passed on foot seemed to be right after a turn where I went from walking to running again, so I looked like I could run 😂
 
3.63 trail miles today in 56 minutes. First mile was 12:11, and the others slowed down and were proportional to elevation change. The whole run was a nightmare, probably walked half of it. Arch pain and calf cramps were brutal from a few minutes in, and just felt winded and low energy the whole time, but at least it beats sitting on my butt. The AllTrails app seems much more accurate than Google with respect to tracking distance. Need to figure out a way to alleviate this foot pain.
 
3.63 trail miles today in 56 minutes. First mile was 12:11, and the others slowed down and were proportional to elevation change. The whole run was a nightmare, probably walked half of it. Arch pain and calf cramps were brutal from a few minutes in, and just felt winded and low energy the whole time, but at least it beats sitting on my butt. The AllTrails app seems much more accurate than Google with respect to tracking distance. Need to figure out a way to alleviate this foot pain.


Keep at it!
 
I think I probably need to head back to Fleet Feet, stand on their doodad and find a set of insoles that’s will give support where I need it.


That is what I did. I limped into their store and walked out. Literally. I could have been a commercial for them.
 
That is what I did. I limped into their store and walked out. Literally. I could have been a commercial for them.
Ended up doing the foot profile thingie. Low-medium arches with my right foot being the higher of the two, but my gait also makes it behave more like a medium arch. Ended up getting fitted for the medium insoles, since the lows felt like all my weight was on my heels. I'm sure it'll take some getting used to, but I hope it helps. The left foot feels perfect, the right foot I feel a little unevenness but things can be tight/worse on that side after that last run (my right usually flares up first/worst). We'll see how it goes once things dry up outside.
 
1.42 mile trail run in 19:40 today. First time out on the new insoles, and they didn't start to ache until towards the end of the run, and the pain was nowhere near as searing as it has been. The shift in weight was taking its toll on my calves and shins though, so they'll definitely take some breaking in and getting used to, but so far seems like $60 well spent. Going to have to try a pair in my mountain bike shoes as well.

Cold dry air was rough on my asthma today, though. I picked up one of those soft water bottles with the hand strap on Amazon to have a small drink with me and it definitely helped some, but I look forward to slightly warmer weather again.
 
1.42 mile trail run in 19:40 today. First time out on the new insoles, and they didn't start to ache until towards the end of the run, and the pain was nowhere near as searing as it has been. The shift in weight was taking its toll on my calves and shins though, so they'll definitely take some breaking in and getting used to, but so far seems like $60 well spent. Going to have to try a pair in my mountain bike shoes as well.

Cold dry air was rough on my asthma today, though. I picked up one of those soft water bottles with the hand strap on Amazon to have a small drink with me and it definitely helped some, but I look forward to slightly warmer weather again.
The cold really slows me down for the same reason. Glad the insoles are helping, I must have missed your last few with the issues on arches/shins because I had those with some of the oncloud shoes. I went for a different pair (got NB Rebel & Asics superblast) and they essentially went away, a lot of the pain now is probably from getting used to distance/workout regiment. If you're like me the soreness/pain will slowly go up your legs to quads/hips as your feet and calves get back into the swing of things. IMO a couple of good runs with a pair of shoes will tell you if they're doable on the runs or not, there isn't a ton of break in with the modern materials
 
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The cold really slows me down for the same reason. Glad the insoles are helping, I must have missed your last few with the issues on arches/shins because I had those with some of the oncloud shoes. I went for a different pair (got NB Rebel & Asics superblast) and they essentially went away, a lot of the pain now is probably from getting used to distance/workout regiment. If you're like me the soreness/pain will slowly go up your legs to quads/hips as your feet and calves get back into the swing of things. IMO a couple of good runs with a pair of shoes will tell you if they're doable on the runs or not, there isn't a ton of break in with the modern materials
I have chronically tight calves and had a LOT of foot pain issues when biking, it just carried over to running as well. There definitely aren’t many trail shoes out there that cater to wide feet it seems.
 
I have chronically tight calves and had a LOT of foot pain issues when biking, it just carried over to running as well. There definitely aren’t many trail shoes out there that cater to wide feet it seems.
How much stretching are you doing? I used to have tight calves but I got in the habit years ago to stretch often and the problem went away. I still stretch my calves anytime I'm standing around, e.g. while pumping gas (stretch with foot against the curb of the pump). Lots of opportunities to stretch calves in the kitchen while waiting for the microwave, toaster oven, french press coffee to steep, etc.

Re. wide trail shoes, I gave up and just wear Brooks 2E shoes for both road and trail. I have one pair for road and another for trail, so the tread on the pair for trail doesn't wear as quickly.
 
How much stretching are you doing? I used to have tight calves but I got in the habit years ago to stretch often and the problem went away. I still stretch my calves anytime I'm standing around, e.g. while pumping gas (stretch with foot against the curb of the pump). Lots of opportunities to stretch calves in the kitchen while waiting for the microwave, toaster oven, french press coffee to steep, etc.

Re. wide trail shoes, I gave up and just wear Brooks 2E shoes for both road and trail. I have one pair for road and another for trail, so the tread on the pair for trail doesn't wear as quickly.
Whenever I can. Even when sitting and working I stick my toes against the wall for a stretch. Calves and shoulders have always been bad mobility points for me.
 
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Whenever I can. Even when sitting and working I stick my toes against the wall for a stretch. Calves and shoulders have always been bad mobility points for me.
I also use a 36" foam roller that is great for calves and shoulders/back. If you don't have one, it's definitely worth a try.
 
Short run today before the rain moves in, a little over a mile and a half. Shorter trail but a lot of up and down - felt like I was on a stairmaster the whole time. Lungs were screaming from allergies/asthma and had a pinch in the neck/shoulder, but feet and calves weren't too bad. Averaged a blistering 4.2 mph!

Forgot to mention - even the "dry" trails had some seriously scary spots. Almost ate it a few times on that squishy wet clay. Be careful out there!
 
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