Yet another low testosterone / nutrition / TRT thread in case it helps anyone's decisions....

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I'm going to keep this succinct.

I started fine. Over the years I progressed into competing strongman and powerlifting.

Car accident. One concussion to many. I won't bore you with the details and laundry list of acronyms and symptoms. Let's just say that I got hit in the noggin hard enough to scramble my balls like some weird Wile E Coyote cartoon. You can google TBI and PCS if you're interested.

I found out my T was low because I was trying to maximize recovery and minimize my PCS symptoms. To really get your nutrition on track, blood tests are mandatory. This was the point where I noticed my t was not in the 300-900 median range. It was below 250.

Blah blah blah got my nutrition super nailed down. The benefits from that were amazing. PCS symptoms were in check, I performed better and recovery was better. Testorone, did not give a damn. My test level jumped a whopping 100 points. 100 could be nothing but a daily variant. You could have a 2 day sex bender with your partner, too many drinks, bad few days of diet....damn near anything could cause a 100 point variance.

At this point it was time to consider replacement therapy. At this point I had spent more than 18 months trying the natural way to boost it along with supposedly reputable supplements (which don't do a damn thing if there is an underlying medical/genetic issue at play imho). At least this fast tracked me on TRT since I was already very healthy according to blood test levels.

8 weeks in on a very small medically supervised dose, I'm up to just below 400. I don't really have any drawbacks to mention other than I really hate needles. Positives? Blood pressure got even better. Cholesterol levels that were good became great. Mental problem solving speed improved. I'm more cognizant, more awake, my memory works better and I even have better sleep patterns. I find it easier to eat whereas previously I struggled to reach my necessary macronutrient levels. I'm actually going to try a slightly higher level over the next 8 weeks and if I exhibit too many negatives, I am VERY happy to come back to the level I am at today.

Also...my insurance refuses to pay for it which largely doesn't matter. Without insurance injectable test costs you less than your damn copay for an 8-12 week supply (the cream is another matter, it is pricey. So don't be afraid about the cost....I spent way more in quarterly to monthly blood tests trying it naturally and through supplements. I will say this much, get healthy vital stats first....then it is a fantastic experience.
 
This wasn’t interesting, a lot of info I’d never heard before.
 
I noticed my nuts shrank after a few years on t-injections. After stopping, my nuts returned to normal size.
 
This wasn’t interesting, a lot of info I’d never heard before.
Yeah that was another thing I did. A sleep study. I now have a high speed low drag sleeping platform 😂. Seriously one of my best investments and a huge improvement to daily life. Getting my sleep more efficient was worth the effort.

Also…it didn’t do squat for t levels when combined with an underlying medical issue.
 
I noticed my nuts shrank after a few years on t-injections. After stopping, my nuts returned to normal size.
Same. At this point I can’t see why I’d stop. I’ve reached a point where I accepted a ridiculously low natural t level at an early age. I can either fix that through hormone therapy or accept living with low t
 
Yeah that was another thing I did. A sleep study. I now have a high speed low drag sleeping platform 😂. Seriously one of my best investments and a huge improvement to daily life. Getting my sleep more efficient was worth the effort.

Also…it didn’t do squat for t levels when combined with an underlying medical issue.
He discusses T supplemnets, one is an OTC supplement that causes the testers to produce, they even visibly get bigger.
 
If it aint going to kill me i don't mess with it.
There's some medical studies that have speculated that low T can increase heart-related issues. I've got a small suspicion this was a contributor to my dad's sudden heart attack/stroke, along with a lot of other factors. But he had signs of low T in retrospect.
 
There's some medical studies that have speculated that low T can increase heart-related issues. I've got a small suspicion this was a contributor to my dad's sudden heart attack/stroke, along with a lot of other factors. But he had signs of low T in retrospect.
If you look hard enough you can connect this to that with anything. Just before getting on here I read an article on yahoo that said
more soldiers have come back from the sandpit with disabilities than WW2 Korea and Vietnam combined . I call it a bunch of cupcakes
looking for free rides.
 
If you look hard enough you can connect this to that with anything. Just before getting on here I read an article on yahoo that said
more soldiers have come back from the sandpit with disabilities than WW2 Korea and Vietnam combined . I call it a bunch of cupcakes
looking for free rides.
Go play in another thread, rather than take a squat in forumsurfer’s discussion.
 
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If you look hard enough you can connect this to that with anything. Just before getting on here I read an article on yahoo that said
more soldiers have come back from the sandpit with disabilities than WW2 Korea and Vietnam combined . I call it a bunch of cupcakes
looking for free rides.
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There's some medical studies that have speculated that low T can increase heart-related issues. I've got a small suspicion this was a contributor to my dad's sudden heart attack/stroke, along with a lot of other factors. But he had signs of low T in retrospect
You’re not wrong. Boosting your t to healthy levels can lower heart related issues. Studies are showing this.
 
I see where this is going so I’d also like to add that people with low t (me included) tend to be very surly and angry all the damn time 😂. I am a much improved human on all levels 😂🤷🏻‍♂️. We will see if that continues as I venture into test levels over 400.

I’d also like to add that any anecdotal advice or suggestions I’ve seen when pushed to provide verifiable results via blood tests they were all either bull crap and/or didn’t apply to people with underlying medical reasons.
 
I see where this is going so I’d also like to add that people with low t (me included) tend to be very surly and angry all the damn time 😂. I am a much improved human on all levels 😂🤷🏻‍♂️. We will see if that continues as I venture into test levels over 400.

I’d also like to add that any anecdotal advice or suggestions I’ve seen when pushed to provide verifiable results via blood tests they were all either bull crap and/or didn’t apply to people with underlying medical reasons.
I have heard that as well from a friend who has to take shots for it.
 
There's some medical studies that have speculated that low T can increase heart-related issues. I've got a small suspicion this was a contributor to my dad's sudden heart attack/stroke, along with a lot of other factors. But he had signs of low T in retrospect.
My father, grandfather and uncle all displayed outward signs of low t. The older generation all told me that the men in my family “just get a little rough around the edges at 40ish.”

So they went by the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” annd only went to the hospital if they were dying or something was hanging off.

God bless them all cause they’re all dead but damn if that wasn’t a dumb attitude to have. Quality of life improvements and preventative maintenance are good things.
 
Thank you.
Plenty of other threads to be a pain in. Keep it on topic or go to one of those other threads please. And before you tell me to put you on ignore. I don’t have an ignore button, but I have a few buttons that are better
 
Same. At this point I can’t see why I’d stop. I’ve reached a point where I accepted a ridiculously low natural t level at an early age. I can either fix that through hormone therapy or accept living with low t
Apologies if I'm being captain obvious for this but the shrinkage thing is typical of testosterone supplementation or supplementation of chemicals that mimic testosterone. The body recognizes the effects of test occurring and puts less effort in producing it.

I've gotten pretty moody in my older years, when I'm on test supplementation my mood is better, sleep is great, even my focus is better.

Have you had a discussion with your provider of the steps to take if you ever have to get off trt?
 
Apologies if I'm being captain obvious for this but the shrinkage thing is typical of testosterone supplementation or supplementation of chemicals that mimic testosterone. The body recognizes the effects of test occurring and puts less effort in producing it.

I've gotten pretty moody in my older years, when I'm on test supplementation my mood is better, sleep is great, even my focus is better.

Have you had a discussion with your provider of the steps to take if you ever have to get off trt?
I have not. Honestly I’m shelving that because I don’t see myself getting off trt unless I get too damn old and injured to continue with competing, hiking or anything that I currently enjoy that is physically challenging.

Basically I don’t see a reason to quit for another couple of decades. The thought has crossed my mind but I’m viewing this as the way things are now since my natural levels seem to be the same level as the Golden Girls.

Whether it was the repetitive concussions, one concussion too many or just damned terrible genetics….I’m otherwise healthy but my body is done with test production and has been for about 2-3 years now.
 
I have not. Honestly I’m shelving that because I don’t see myself getting off trt unless I get too damn old and injured to continue with competing, hiking or anything that I currently enjoy that is physically challenging.

Basically I don’t see a reason to quit for another couple of decades. The thought has crossed my mind but I’m viewing this as the way things are now since my natural levels seem to be the same level as the Golden Girls.

Whether it was the repetitive concussions, one concussion too many or just damned terrible genetics….I’m otherwise healthy but my body is done with test production and has been for about 2-3 years now.
I agree, stay on TRT for as long as humanly possible. I only ask b/c in the fitness world coming off test supplementation requires a few weeks of estrogen therapy. I'm not sure if your dosing is low enough that estrogen isn't required, so just wondering.
 
I agree, stay on TRT for as long as humanly possible. I only ask b/c in the fitness world coming off test supplementation requires a few weeks of estrogen therapy. I'm not sure if your dosing is low enough that estrogen isn't required, so just wondering.
This is interesting because testosterone injections cause an influx of estrogen.
 
I agree, stay on TRT for as long as humanly possible. I only ask b/c in the fitness world coming off test supplementation requires a few weeks of estrogen therapy. I'm not sure if your dosing is low enough that estrogen isn't required, so just wondering.
This is interesting because testosterone injections cause an influx of estrogen.
I agree with both of you. I’ve heard that from other folks I know on test. (I was literally
Shocked at how many people I know over 35 trying to live with low t).

@Tailhunter i don’t understand why I haven’t faced estrogen issues. It might be because I got all my vitals squared away beforehand. My nutrition got based on my blood tests so literally everything is within normal. Or maybe it’s because I’m on such a low dose and not looking at test levels over 800. Or maybe it’s some genetic thing.
 
I went got checked after learning about the heart stuff. The doc said the research is weak right now, but he suspects there is a connection to heart issues.

My numbers were 190-220. He said insurance screws you over because the blood test has a huge range of error. Like on a test that says “you’re at 190” it technically can be like 150-600. So insurance says “welp you’re in the acceptable range if you consider the margin of error so you don’t need treatment.”

He put me on Clomid to try for a little while. Pop half a little pill per day. I haven’t had my numbers checked since starting. I haven’t had a euphoric moment like some report. If I’m honest, I don’t expect it to be anywhere near as good as shots. But the doc himself is on it and says it boosted his numbers up to 600’s. Maybe I need to work out some (at all) to get some better results.

Hesitant to start needles. Mainly the shrinking of the nuts. But also coming off of it isn’t easy, reportedly. With the Clomid you can just stop.
 
This is interesting because testosterone injections cause an influx of estrogen.
I don't dabble real deep in test supplementation, so I'm not the best source of information (I'm also drinking right now), but I believe you are correct. The body detects a surplus of testosterone and tries to balance itself by making more estrogen. If I recall correctly, you take estrogen on the back side so your body decreases estrogen production in preparation for you decreased test level.

Not 100% sure on all of this so I may be full of crap...or drunk.
 
I've been doing TRT since around 2015 or so.
Done the gels, shots, supplements. Fatigue, irritability, lack of focus, and night sweats were my main symptoms.
For the record I am a proponent and believer in the correlation between low T and heart disease / mortality


The gels and creams are better than nothing but not by much.99% of the supplements out there are snake oil....you can make up your own supplement stacks that work much better.

For TRT to work best you need to decrease cortisol, increase Vitamin D, and get rid of the junk in your diet, soy is a huge depleter of T.

Low Carb, Paleo, Carnivore combined with yoga and HIIT 3-4 times a week got me down to 215lbs. My T levels were sub 150s...my last level was 737, 4 days out from my last injection.

Put a lot of the weight back on due to slacking diet and exercise but T levels have remained high.

I'm a proponent of micro dosing SubQ rather than once a week IM, but you have to do what you feel comfortable with. I've experimented to find my max dose a week.

Not experienced any increased estrogen levels, but I also take B6, B12, Tumeric, and Magnesium as part of my stack.
 
I don't dabble real deep in test supplementation, so I'm not the best source of information (I'm also drinking right now), but I believe you are correct. The body detects a surplus of testosterone and tries to balance itself by making more estrogen. If I recall correctly, you take estrogen on the back side so your body decreases estrogen production in preparation for you decreased test level.

Not 100% sure on all of this so I may be full of crap...or drunk.
I got that info from my endocrinologist.
 
So, will a general practitioner order a test like this or will they just refer you to an endocrinologist? I’ve got my annual physical coming up next week. They do a full blood panel, but I don’t think a test for T is on the list as best I can tell.

I noticed a marked decrease in stamina and energy in the past year. Maybe because I’m just old, or...?
I used to walk 2-5 miles every morning. Walking more than 1.5 now wears me out. I have to really push it to walk 2-3. When my neighbor would come back from deployment we’d walk and talk for 6-7 miles. Can’t do it anymore.
 
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So, will a general practitioner order a test like this or will they just refer you to an endocrinologist? I’ve got my annual physical coming up next week. They do a full blood panel, but I don’t think a test for T is on the list as best I can tell.

My PCP prescribed it for me.
Did a 24hr testosterone level, which is basically collecting all your pee in a jug, sent me to a endocrinologist and had a MRI of pituitary to rule out any tumors that could be a cause of low T.

You can also find some online tests like Everlywell to do a T level.
 
So, will a general practitioner order a test like this or will they just refer you to an endocrinologist? I’ve got my annual physical coming up next week. They do a full blood panel, but I don’t think a test for T is on the list as best I can tell.

I noticed a marked decrease in stamina and energy in the past year. Maybe because I’m just old, or...?
I used to walk 2-5 miles every morning. Walking more than 1.5 now wears me out. I have to really push it to walk 2-3. When my neighbor would come back from deployment we’d walk and talk for 6-7 miles. Can’t do it anymore.
I went straight to a urologist.
 
I was on Androgel 10 or 15 years ago, no noticeable difference so I lost interest.
My current Doc wouldn't even test me because I had a pulmonary embolism 6 years ago. He finally agreed to the test but only reported that I was within normal limits., no number given.
I can assure you my numbers haven't gone up since that last test.

I'm seriously considering some Dr. shopping.
 
So, will a general practitioner order a test like this or will they just refer you to an endocrinologist? I’ve got my annual physical coming up next week. They do a full blood panel, but I don’t think a test for T is on the list as best I can tell.

I noticed a marked decrease in stamina and energy in the past year. Maybe because I’m just old, or...?
I used to walk 2-5 miles every morning. Walking more than 1.5 now wears me out. I have to really push it to walk 2-3. When my neighbor would come back from deployment we’d walk and talk for 6-7 miles. Can’t do it anymore.
My practitioner will order it. However it is very infrequent and I have to specifically ask for the testosterone levels to be checked along with the regular bloodwork. I tend to get them more frequently and I just do it through labcorp and pay for it through my flex HSA so it’s at least tax free.
 
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