You want Constitutional Carry? Act Now
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I can't imagine you could, it wouldn't match your state ID, seems like it wouldn't be valid for anything in your home state.
M4gery4life
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Done. I plan on keeping my CHP just for reciprocity if I go to Myrtle beach or something...
Rebel1776
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That is one reason I am keeping mine, also the federal you cant be within 1000ft of school unless you have a carry permit law is still a thing and since i work at a school I cant risk it.
I took a CCW class recently, and I'm terrified. I absolutely agree with constitutional carry (and I signed)- but the yahoo I had in my class terrifies me if he ever goes out in public. He struggled to hit an 8" target at 3 yards. And since he passed the class, I don't think CCW is adding any value- other than education on when it's allowed to use force. In my wife's CCW the woman next to her didn't know her revolver had sights on it- she ended up hitting my wife's target a few times. And she passed as well.
M4gery4life
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look at it this way... Saving them $200 in permitting fees, enables Them to easier use that money on actual training. 👍
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Looks like it is currently with the NC House Judiciary 2 committee and is on the agenda for their next meeting 5/2 at 11:00am.
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I saw another post about this. I didn’t see this link on it.
I don’t think this could be posted too much anyways.
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It’s done….
Berger said the Senate will not take it up.
Berger said the Senate will not take it up.
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I'm still learning about politics in Raleigh. I'm quite familiar with the way things worked in a different state from having spent a lot of time fighting off their attacks on our rights. One of the good guys taught me that you didn't want to advance a bill that contained provisions you disagree with. Those things you disagree with become the opening offer from the opposition on any similar bill going forward, and you end up wasting time or political capital to fix it down the road. I'm not sure if that's what happened here.
Looking forward we have the ability to fix the voting maps and voter ID and the D vote just lost 56000 felons. It seems there may be a cleaner path to a good bill after our next election. It's quite possible that Robinson will be the guy to sign it.
Looking forward we have the ability to fix the voting maps and voter ID and the D vote just lost 56000 felons. It seems there may be a cleaner path to a good bill after our next election. It's quite possible that Robinson will be the guy to sign it.
Yes, I'm glad it failed in it's current form with the training requirement addition. I made many calls and sent many emails asking for it to be done right the first time otherwise let it fail. I'm sure it didn't do any good. but I made the effort. Once the training (safety) requirement was added I think it would have been hard to get it removed.
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The number of rounds that hit the dirt maybe 6 feet in front of the shooter(s) during my qualification back in TX was pretty mind blowing, the majority of which were older revolver owners.
M4gery4life
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politics is the art of the possible. Permitless carry with training requirement is still good because you can get a CHP class in a weekend.
You *CANNOT* get a CHP, even in a good county, that quickly.
If you reside in Mecklenburg or Wake county, you will wait almost a year. Unacceptable
You *CANNOT* get a CHP, even in a good county, that quickly.
If you reside in Mecklenburg or Wake county, you will wait almost a year. Unacceptable
M4gery4life
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GRNC just sent out a new alert...
Progress on House Bill 189, now named “Freedom to Carry NC,” stalled on Wednesday after the NRA reportedly came out in opposition to the bill. NRA lobbyist DJ Spiker, who had been utterly absent from the debate over permitless concealed carry (and rarely seen at the legislature), showed up at the Judiciary 2 Committee meeting which passed HB 189 on Tuesday and began complaining about the bill’s contents.
To satisfy Speaker Tim Moore’s requirement to move the bill, the latest incarnation of HB 189 contains a nominal training requirement to establish that concealed carriers know relevant state laws. The training requirement can be satisfied by courses from the NRA, USCCA, or an online course to be established by the North Carolina Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission. There will be no permit, no live fire training, no requirement to carry proof of training, nor any central repository or database of who has or has not taken a course.
NRA “not invented here” syndrome
Spiker reportedly complained to bill sponsor Rep. Keith Kidwell, that due to the training requirement, it was no longer a “true” constitutional carry bill. In truth, HB 189 has always been a hybrid bill in that it offered permitless carry only to those who would otherwise qualify for a permit. Its progenitors stretch back to 2017 with HB 69, sponsored by Rep. Larry Pittman, and HB 746, sponsored by Rep. Chris Millis, both of which contained language similar to HB 189. Despite the fact that HB 746 passed the NC House, sponsors report that the NRA has never been active in the constitutional carry debate.
What the NRA is really objecting to – and which they have done many times in the past – could best be described as the “not invented here” syndrome. Namely, that the NRA couldn’t claim credit for a bill it had not participated in crafting.
What Spiker seems to avoid mentioning is that HB 189 represents a huge step forward by eliminating governmental “permission slips” for exercising a fundamental civil right. When called to explain, Spiker is quoted by the Raleigh News & Observer as making the laughable claim that the NRA “will never apologize for refusing to compromise on an issue as critical as Constitutional Carry.” In truth, the NRA (and Spiker) have a long history of compromise not only tactically, but on core principals in the gun rights movement.
But most important, the NRA has had since 2017 to weigh in on the language making up HB 189, but it reportedly never has. Instead, Spiker swooped in at the last minute and, like a vulture, deposited a large load of dung onto the efforts of the activists who are actually getting things done.
Next steps
HB 189 is not dead. Rep. Kidwell had it referred back to the Rules Committee in order to add a fiscal note, which would make it immune to the May 4 crossover deadline by which bills must clear at least one chamber to remain alive. In coming days, GRNC will issue alerts to get it moving.
Meanwhile, gun rights supporters are advised to contact the NRA and hit them where it hurts: money. If you are a current member who is not fully paid up or have an annual membership, resign from the organization. If you’ve already quit, call and email them anyway.
The message is this: “Not a dime for the NRA.”
Bonus round
As a bonus, if you would like to express your “appreciation” to NRA lobbyist DJ Spiker, he can be reached by phone or text at 757-575-8507 and by email at [email protected]. In order that your feedback not be misrepresented as “harassment,” be civil and phone, text or email only once.
Progress on House Bill 189, now named “Freedom to Carry NC,” stalled on Wednesday after the NRA reportedly came out in opposition to the bill. NRA lobbyist DJ Spiker, who had been utterly absent from the debate over permitless concealed carry (and rarely seen at the legislature), showed up at the Judiciary 2 Committee meeting which passed HB 189 on Tuesday and began complaining about the bill’s contents.
To satisfy Speaker Tim Moore’s requirement to move the bill, the latest incarnation of HB 189 contains a nominal training requirement to establish that concealed carriers know relevant state laws. The training requirement can be satisfied by courses from the NRA, USCCA, or an online course to be established by the North Carolina Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission. There will be no permit, no live fire training, no requirement to carry proof of training, nor any central repository or database of who has or has not taken a course.
NRA “not invented here” syndrome
Spiker reportedly complained to bill sponsor Rep. Keith Kidwell, that due to the training requirement, it was no longer a “true” constitutional carry bill. In truth, HB 189 has always been a hybrid bill in that it offered permitless carry only to those who would otherwise qualify for a permit. Its progenitors stretch back to 2017 with HB 69, sponsored by Rep. Larry Pittman, and HB 746, sponsored by Rep. Chris Millis, both of which contained language similar to HB 189. Despite the fact that HB 746 passed the NC House, sponsors report that the NRA has never been active in the constitutional carry debate.
What the NRA is really objecting to – and which they have done many times in the past – could best be described as the “not invented here” syndrome. Namely, that the NRA couldn’t claim credit for a bill it had not participated in crafting.
What Spiker seems to avoid mentioning is that HB 189 represents a huge step forward by eliminating governmental “permission slips” for exercising a fundamental civil right. When called to explain, Spiker is quoted by the Raleigh News & Observer as making the laughable claim that the NRA “will never apologize for refusing to compromise on an issue as critical as Constitutional Carry.” In truth, the NRA (and Spiker) have a long history of compromise not only tactically, but on core principals in the gun rights movement.
But most important, the NRA has had since 2017 to weigh in on the language making up HB 189, but it reportedly never has. Instead, Spiker swooped in at the last minute and, like a vulture, deposited a large load of dung onto the efforts of the activists who are actually getting things done.
Next steps
HB 189 is not dead. Rep. Kidwell had it referred back to the Rules Committee in order to add a fiscal note, which would make it immune to the May 4 crossover deadline by which bills must clear at least one chamber to remain alive. In coming days, GRNC will issue alerts to get it moving.
Meanwhile, gun rights supporters are advised to contact the NRA and hit them where it hurts: money. If you are a current member who is not fully paid up or have an annual membership, resign from the organization. If you’ve already quit, call and email them anyway.
The message is this: “Not a dime for the NRA.”
Bonus round
As a bonus, if you would like to express your “appreciation” to NRA lobbyist DJ Spiker, he can be reached by phone or text at 757-575-8507 and by email at [email protected]. In order that your feedback not be misrepresented as “harassment,” be civil and phone, text or email only once.
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Well…lookie there. Something the NRA said that I agree with. Strange.
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Broken clocks are like that.
I'm late to the party but my signature is on the petition. I hate the concealed carry renewal process because I live
in Wake County. Having to go to the Courthouse and trying to find parking in downtown Raleigh is a pain and a
waste of time I could use doing something more productive.
in Wake County. Having to go to the Courthouse and trying to find parking in downtown Raleigh is a pain and a
waste of time I could use doing something more productive.
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M4gery4life
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Mean while, read this shit the NRA put out..🤬🤬🤬🤬
“The bill title was changed to "Freedom to Carry Act," but with the legislation facing other concerns, it was taken off of the floor calendar, and failed to meet the crossover deadline to pass the House of Representatives.“
Your NRA-ILA will continue to make it our mission for North Carolina to become a constitutional carry state, and bury any attempts to compromise on the issue.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...FwaXwMFDWvBie4iskzprybcSmETBc&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Meanwhile their rep, DJ Spiker, has to cover 4 states which means no way he can know anything real about legislators, or lobby. 🙄🙄
“The bill title was changed to "Freedom to Carry Act," but with the legislation facing other concerns, it was taken off of the floor calendar, and failed to meet the crossover deadline to pass the House of Representatives.“
Your NRA-ILA will continue to make it our mission for North Carolina to become a constitutional carry state, and bury any attempts to compromise on the issue.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...FwaXwMFDWvBie4iskzprybcSmETBc&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Meanwhile their rep, DJ Spiker, has to cover 4 states which means no way he can know anything real about legislators, or lobby. 🙄🙄
Dude I get the pissy attitude toward NRA and Grass Roots, but damn man, who cares who gets credit for a constitutional carry bill passing? It’s almost to the point of an elementary school playground yelling match. It’s so silly that it’s making both sides look foolish. Why does Paul care who gets credit for it? If he really got it passed the folks that matter will know who was behind it. Why does Paul or the NRA have to have a who’s Johnson is bigger contest? What a joke this whole bovine fecal matter is turning into. The NRA & GRNC ( ie Paul) just want to be seen as the king ding dong and it really is hurting the overall causes more than it’s helping it.
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M4gery4life
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incorrect. Paul is at the legislative office, dealing with the folks who make laws.
DJ Spiker has responsibilities for 4 states so he is NEVER at our legislature, learning the people in positions of power & where the bones are buried..🤬🙄
The NRA is corrupt & has the mindset “if we didn’t write it, it must be destroyed”...
I am not incorrect. What I said is FACT. Again, who gives a flying F@&$ who gets it passed! Paul is a self righteous pompous prick and he is good at what he does. I applaud him for his part in getting the PPP repealed, but he ain’t the only one that got it across the line so it appears to me NRA wants to be the hero and Paul also wants to be the hero rather than they both work together for the 2A. Allen Chesser, Kidwell and other legislators got the PPP repealed be it because Paul pushed it? Well, maybe, but I know for a FACT that at least one of them ran for office and got elected with the understanding he was going to to do all he could to get the PPP repel and constitutional carry passed but he also made no promises stating he was but one vote of many needed for it it happen. Is Paul a grrwt champion for the 2A in NC? Of course he is. Is he the SOLE champion and reason for the PPP repeal? No he isn’t, and that’s in no way shape or form any knock on him. We as NC gun rights enthusiasts KNOW Paul is out there via GRNC making a difference. We all know NRA isn’t. So why does Paul even waste time or effort mentioning the NrA? No one cares about them to be Frank. So no need for Paul to even stoop to their level of pettiness. It only detracts from his ability to do what he does. The point is it didn’t pass. It ain’t because Paul wanted it watered down or the NRA did or whatever. It didn’t go and it ain’t crap we can do about it to get it passed if we jsit resort to the name calling petty Betty BS that seems to be the norm when Paul doesn’t get a win. The NRA same thing. And if it does pass? Why does Paul or the NRA need to be the sole one to claim they got it passed? It’s irrelevant who did what as long as the bill passes
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For the class or for the permit?
M4gery4life
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Permit... class be had inside of a week. probably quicker if you are willing to drive a bit.
CHP will be 45 days minimum & in certain counties, up to a year.
Radar, I think I see what you are getting at & I want to try to address it.
Peace is like a marriage... both sides have to want it for it to happen... it only takes one side to ruin it & in this case, it was the NRA.
Paul is likely angry because we are at a perfect time to really advance gun rights here, 27 states already have a form of constitutional carry, we should be the next...
Instead we have to nag a bit more for something that should be a given.
Now the folks on this board are probably aware of the shenanigans at NRA, but I know plenty of folks who don’t pay close attention & still think the NRA is the best thing since hot showers. 🤮
I haven't taken the time to read what is in the Constitutional Carry bill being proposed. Would people who already have concealed carry
permits automatically qualify to carry without having to take classes and go through the process again? Would my permit still be recognized
while I wait for the right to carry without a permit? I live in Wake County and the idea of waiting a year to be able to carry without a permit
is much longer than the wait I had for my concealed carry permit after I qualified.
permits automatically qualify to carry without having to take classes and go through the process again? Would my permit still be recognized
while I wait for the right to carry without a permit? I live in Wake County and the idea of waiting a year to be able to carry without a permit
is much longer than the wait I had for my concealed carry permit after I qualified.
M4gery4life
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yes to the above. 👍