Walked through many homes under construction.
Ya'll walk INSIDE of other peoples houses under construction on your block (that you don't know/have permission to be in)?
That's simple respect of others property, it isn't mine, I have no reason to be there and don't need to be plundering around in it. I'm a bit surprised ya'll find that behavior acceptable.
Depending on state law, crossing the threshold of the house may be considered b&e and like I said, possibly a felony.
Well let's be clear here for a second. There is a big difference between someone's home which has construction going on and a House being built to be sold. So trying to say it's wrong to go into new construction homes is not a felony and probably welcome as a way to sell more homes. I live in a neighborhood with lots of new construction and have been inside many of the new homes before doors had been secured.
Reckon I'm just an outlier here... ya'll do what you do.
NONE of the builders I know take too kindly to folks just up and walking around in and on their construction sites (they call the police/sheriff office often).
This is true.Reckon I'm just an outlier here... ya'll do what you do.
NONE of the builders I know take too kindly to folks just up and walking around in and on their construction sites (they call the police/sheriff office often).
But if you are caught inside, even if you were just looking, is prima facia intent to commit a larceny therein.You have to remember that there are issues with intent. In NC at most it would be misdemeanor B&E without having intent to perpetuate some further criminal act.
You have to remember that there are issues with intent. In NC at most it would be misdemeanor B&E without having intent to perpetuate some further criminal act.
I dont know a whole lot about this and I just heard about it today. I watched the video over and over again and this what I see.
Some guy running around the right side of a pick up truck.
Takes a hard left and attacks some guy holding a shotgun ( how stupid is that? I would take a hard right and run for the hills)
After a shot goes off, runner still engages guy with shotgun and is still in attack mode trying to hit him with his hand while the gun holding is guy is trying to retreat.
It looks to me that the jogger has the barrel of the gun in his left hand and might be trying to pull it away as he continues swinging at the head of of the gun owner.
Another shot goes off and the runner staggers a few yards and falls over.
This is what I saw.
In my neighborhood there are no tools or really anything left daily. So it would only possibly be theft of construction materials which could easily be ruled out in most cases.But if you are caught inside, even if you were just looking, is prima facia intent to commit a larceny therein.
So it's illegal in NC, we agree upon that.
I cannot quote GA law, I have been told that b&e in GA is a felony any way you shake it, intent or not. I have not taken the time to researched the statutes which is why in my postings I have been very careful to word said posts as "depending on state law, may, and possibility."
I actually don't agree. I think the Misdemeanor B&E is very questionable at best in the situation. I have only seen one case of B&E of new construction charged in 20 years in the CJ system. But that was when the home was fully secured and the suspects crawled through a window. I think any company would say go in to any potential buyer.
We can wait till all the "facts" come out, but its gonna be an uphill battle convincing me that their actions were justified. Unless they just witnessed that man Kill, Rape, or Assault another person there's absolutely NOTHING you can tell me that would justify the way they chose to pursue and confront that man.
Anyone who chooses to disagree with that last statement I'll go ahead say that I'll have a very hard time maintaining any level of respect for you as a person of good or even decent character.
Feel free to open a robust discussion with me where you disagree with my last statement? Feel free to show me how their response of confronting a man in the manner they chose with a shotgun was appropriate for anything other than them just witnessing him Killing, Raping, or Assaulting someone???? I can tell you now I would have responded guns blazing! I guess you be sitting here criticizing that response had it gone that way huh? I'm listening, so go ahead and tell me something to make me feel that their response should be acceptable to ANY decent human being???????You have made up your mind and preemptively declared anyone who would dare to disagree with you to be a bad person.
That tactic certainly promotes robust discussion.
There's a ton of being built in my neighborhood. I'm starting to RETHINK the times I've stopped by to take a look at them on my morning walk.Damn, my wife and I just walked through 2 new homes being built in our neighborhood yesterday. I'm glad some backwoods redneck knuckledragging white guys didn't chase us down and shoot us in the street. Although it seems to me that many on here think that that would have been perfectly ok.
He made up his mind because the suspect was black. I made up mine because the suspect has a moslem name. Appears were both racists!You have made up your mind and preemptively declared anyone who would dare to disagree with you to be a bad person.
That tactic certainly promotes robust discussion.
I'm always armed when I'm out for my walks. Had that been me I would have done my best to take the fight to them since they'd already started the fight by confronting me with a shotgun. Nothing about their actions fell under the category of "I come in peace" and would like to ask you a few questions.
For those that aren't up to speed, the person filming was part of the group. Police had this video back in February when this all went down. Police also refused to show it to the family for what I deem obvious reasons. Word is the 3rd guy recently posted it to some questionable web forum and someone from that forum leaked it to social media. Rumor has it he'll be picked up to as he was part of the chase.
As for the excuses the two suspected killers gave, those reasons came after the fact and wreak of trying to create justification in my personal opinion. The young man was seen looking into a house that was under construction......not actually entering the house. FYI- people around here do it all the time when new homes are under construction and haven't gotten to the point of being secured. They also claimed they suspected he was armed after the fact, which really to me justifies why they should not have confronted him in the manner they chose. They could have just followed him and reported his whereabouts to police so they could do what the local government actually pays them to do.
My personal feeling is that this would have all been swept under the rug had the video not been leaked. For the record, I have zero faith in our judicial system.
We can wait till all the "facts" come out, but its gonna be an uphill battle convincing me that their actions were justified. Unless they just witnessed that man Kill, Rape, or Assault another person there's absolutely NOTHING you can tell me that would justify the way they chose to pursue and confront that man.
Anyone who chooses to disagree with that last statement I'll go ahead say that I'll have a very hard time maintaining any level of respect for you as a person of good or even decent character.
Colion Noir sums it up pretty good here.
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Actually, I never said anything about his race in ANY of my responses. I only pointed out the holes in what we have seen this far and what doesnt add up. You brought race into it and as typical you re going after my post specifically with little else to add to the discussion which is also typical. If you have nothing of value to add to the intelligent and respectful discussion we were having feel free to sit on the sidelines. There's no need for ANY racist trolling in this thread.He made up his mind because the suspect was black. I made up mine because the suspect has a moslem name. Appears were both racists!
A lot of people are missing the fact that the shooter exited the vehicle with shotgun in hand. That small but important detail cannot be overlooked because it changes the entire direction of the events that came next. That's why I keep focusing on my point that their response was not appropriate nor legal at all.Some seemed to have missed the point that Arbery went to the other side of the truck, because the guy with the shotgun was already out in the road in front of him. So, he went around to avoid thev guy, but the guy with the shotgun came around to him.
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That third picture is the moment of the first discharge of the shotgun. Arbery does not appear to be in contact with the shooter, although he might have contact with the shotgun.
A lot of people are missing the fact that the shooter exited the vehicle with shotgun in hand. That small but important detail cannot be overlooked because it changes the entire direction of the events that came next. That's why I keep focusing on my point that their response was not appropriate at all.
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Had he been armed and shot first would he have been justified? I think so because of the way they confronted him.I tend to agree with this. Most of us have seen that scene in Boyz from the Hood...you cant outrun a shotgun. So the runner was really only left with two choices: 1. Put himself at the mercy of two armed men who's motives are unknown. 2. Fight.
They're trying to claim that they presumed he was armed since they believed he stole a firearm from one of the houses that were under construction. Who leaves unattended firearms on construction sites overnight, that's a new one on me. As my grandfather would say.....That's a StreeetcchhWe know in NC, the only justification they would've had for the self defense claim would be an immediate threat of grave bodily harm or death to themselves or someone else; we also know that EVEN IF the victim attacked first, any disparity of force would be questioned.
Unarmed man (and this is just my guess since I don't know) attacks an armed man on the ground with a second armed man in the truck? It's hard to defend the self defense claim.
Personally, yes, in my opinion, were I jogging through a neighborhood and someone stops in front of me and rolls out wielding a shotgun, its "go time". They already have initiative and I am in the "catch up" phase. At the very least it would be time to clear leather and see where that big ol 12 guage muzzle moves.Had he been armed and shot first would he have been justified? I think so because of the way they confronted him.
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Nah...you are seeing a lot of conclusion reaching based on a video, released police transcripts, updated reports, and additional information that is being released.I see a lot of conclusion jumping based upon a short video, which like any video only tells part of the story.
Didnt you mention how you always left a loaded Glock 40 in every home you were working on...you know...just in case?