That's a deflection. HAVE you gone after murderers before?Dangerous men? You mean like guys in my backyard with rifles?
That's a deflection. HAVE you gone after murderers before?Dangerous men? You mean like guys in my backyard with rifles?
Nah but the police sure did try to pin stuff on me after I got shot at.That's a deflection. HAVE you gone after murderers before?
Nah, I don't wonder through other people's yards with riflesThen maybe you shouldn't own a gun.
You must be a cop if you think like thisThen maybe you shouldn't own a gun.
I completely agree that the Marshals' clothing is horrible. Their reason for being there does not seem to be. If you're looking for a murderer, armed savage, etc, and get a tip - what do you do with that?I am trying to give serious thought to this; as in, how would I react. I am not trying to be contrarian. If cops come skulking around my house in assault battle rattle, my radar is pinging hard. I'd probably tell them through a closed door they have the wrong house and GTFO. I am the fifth owner of a nearly-50-year-old house. If the cops are coming here looking for someone who lived here before me and they don't trust me to tell them 'they ain't here', that's their problem.
I agree, a lot of unknowns. What did the intel say? Did they talk to local LE? Did they talk with the neighbors? Did they attempt a knock-and-chat first?
Protecting and servingHad a buddy get no knocked at the wrong address. Had all his guns taken, and cash along with other items. When they finally finished the court case he didn't get all his stuff back and had to sue the state. FYI he didn't win anything back.
And the officers were in plain clothes. SWAT showed up after they breach the door. He also had his kids taken till everything was cleared.
All because of a simple spelling mistake.
Maybe I'm ATF/DEA/NSA/FBI or just a dangerous man.You must be a cop if you think like this
Well....that didn't take long. You folded like a cheap suit. I wish I had you in an interrogation room - my coffee wouldn't have even gotten cold!Nah but the police sure did try to pin stuff on me after I got shot at.
Take the emotion out of it, please. Serious question as it relates to NC statutes. My understanding is that the statute, prior to HB65 (? - that gave "castle doctrine") that the rule was you were permitted to shoot to PREVENT (unlawful) entry through the door. This raises two questions: One, what would the proverbial reasonable person think these folks were up to. Two, at what point would the proverbial reasonable person believe they're trying to (unlawfully) enter and hence be justified in firing. Remember according to the original statute, once they were inside, "duty to retreat" took hold again.Those are big words for a person so cowardly they would shoot through a window at someone that hasn't threatened you in any form or fashion.
Oh that's why you don't understand the bill of rights. It's a copWell....that didn't take long. You folded like a cheap suit. I wish I had you in an interrogation room - my coffee wouldn't have even gotten cold!
Wearing street hats except for one of the agents.Nah, I don't wonder through other people's yards with rifles
Sorry, it's a bit difficult to keep up. What question?@Dan0311 , @J R Green , @Cowboy , any help with the question??? I'll understand if you recuse yourself because of affiliation. My takeway will be you can't put yourself in civillian situation.
Why would you think I don't understand the Bill of Rights?Oh that's why you don't understand the bill of rights. It's a cop
This brings into question the woman's contention that the bad guy should not have been associated with the address because her family had lived there for three years.the task force received an anonymous tip on Monday that a woman who lived at the house was helping a man wanted in a Fayetteville murder hide out.
This is what so many just gloss over. Thugs for years have been disguised as the police. You would think that the police preach officer safety and going home to their familes would make all attempts to make it known, without a doubt as to who they are.I'm not viewing video here, but the images shown don't show some very important damn information.
Like ANY FRICKIN' INDICATION THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT TYPES, for one.
What I DO see are hooded/masked people with guns.
And what's with this crap:
Video from the doorbell camera shows a quick glimpse of the marshals coming onto the front porch before one of them covers the camera. They then knocked twice, identifying themselves as law enforcement on the second try.
If you're law enforcement, then you had better plainly BE law enforcement. A bunch of anonymous people with guns approaching a house like this is a recipe for totally unnecessary, unmitigated DISASTER.
I'm glad the people weren't home for this and I'm glad they got the sheriff and police involved to find out WTF was going on.
Now, we can make fun of the homeowners being traumatized by this when they weren't even there...but seriously, how many people here WOULDN'T be all kinds of upset, pissed off, worried, and concerned that UNMARKED LAW ENFORCEMENT OPENLY APPROACHED YOUR HOUSE WHERE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY CALL HOME IN THIS FASHION? Whether you were home or not, there is a legitimate concern for the health and safety of your family at stake here.
You're just trying to live your life, but they are playing for keeps.
If you screw up, you're f***** and they pay NOTHING.
If they screw up, you're f***** and they pay NOTHING.
Because YOU don't have qualified immunity and the literally unlimited financial and legal that the government does.
Anonymous tip? Sure sounds like fito the probable cause sniffing dog. What a weak reason to do thisThe article was updated at 12:05 and I don't remember this from my earlier reading:
This brings into question the woman's contention that the bad guy should not have been associated with the address because her family had lived there for three years.
A cop from New York? Well that's two strikes and this thread is a thirdWhy would you think I don't understand the Bill of Rights?
Yes, as well as a search of person or their property.I think you're way off. Probable Cause, or Reasonable Cause to Believe is the level of suspicion used to make an arrest or get a warrant.
True, but in this case, they hadn't found the murderer, so moot point.They already have that once they find the murderer.
For someone who thinks I'm way off, you're going out of your way to say the same thing I am: no probable cause, and no warrant should mean no search.They do NOT have that in regards to him being in that house- therefor no search warrant.
Right, which is where you're acting on hypotheticals rather than a veritable probability.They simply knocked at a location that a murder may be in.
That's a good question. I would think it could scare a reasonable person. That said no one tried to enter the residence. So a reasonable person would not be able to legally just start shooting. I do understand were it's possible with the world we live in right now a completely innocent person opening fire. That being said I simply don't think a reasonable response would be to simply start shooting. If it happens you would be charged and have to go to court. You probably would have an up hill battle. There was a recent case from texas (iirc) that turned out on the good side for the homeowner and I'm glad it did. But people need to understand that both sides are just doing what they can to be safe at the moment. This situation is total BS it was a knock and talk for a violent murder suspect.Take the emotion out of it, please. Serious question as it relates to NC statutes. My understanding is that the statute, prior to HB65 (? - that gave "castle doctrine") that the rule was you were permitted to shoot to PREVENT (unlawful) entry through the door. This raises two questions: One, what would the proverbial reasonable person think these folks were up to. Two, at what point would the proverbial reasonable person believe they're trying to (unlawfully) enter and hence be justified in firing. Remember according to the original statute, once they were inside, "duty to retreat" took hold again.
Surveillance? Sit in cars, a neighbors house if they agree?I completely agree that the Marshals' clothing is horrible. Their reason for being there does not seem to be. If you're looking for a murderer, armed savage, etc, and get a tip - what do you do with that?
The article was updated at 12:05 and I don't remember this from my earlier reading:
This brings into question the woman's contention that the bad guy should not have been associated with the address because her family had lived there for three years.
Yep, most people who have information about murder suspects announce it publicly and include their name, address, and contact information; anonymous tips are just some fantasy from Hollywood.Anonymous tip? Sure sounds like fito the probable cause sniffing dog. What a weak reason to do this
Big time…typical media and possibly the media relations folks from the mashalls office.Well, see, there's a problem: contradictory information, they can't have it both ways. It still sounds like we're missing information.
Well how else do they get the reward money for the arrest and conviction? Bank dont take checks made out to Anonymous JonesYep, most people who have information about murder suspects announce it publicly and include their name, address, and contact information; anonymous tips are just some fantasy from Hollywood.
One person's word about where a murder suspect might live in no way makes this reasonable. A reasonable department would do this thing called a stake out.Yep, most people who have information about murder suspects announce it publicly and include their name, address, and contact information; anonymous tips are just some fantasy from Hollywood.
If you say so. You don't like NY cops? Get in line - the end of it is around the corner. No shortage of ignorant, anti-cop people out there.A cop from New York? Well that's two strikes and this thread is a third
But why do people hate us?
YOU brought up PC or RCTB, not me. It wasn't needed here. Just simply checking an address for a murderer - perfectly legal and commonplace.Yes, as well as a search of person or their property.
True, but in this case, they hadn't found the murderer, so moot point.
For someone who thinks I'm way off, you're going out of your way to say the same thing I am: no probable cause, and no warrant should mean no search.
Right, which is where you're acting on hypotheticals rather than a veritable probability.
Or maybe simply go knock and have people out back in case the person is in the house and runs out the back. Your TV tactics are super strong though.One person's word about where a murder suspect might live in no way makes this reasonable. A reasonable department would do this thing called a stake out.
Well, we can't really skirt the legal issues if we call it a search now, can we?Just simply checking an address for a murderer - perfectly legal and commonplace.
How do we know that they didn't do that for 2 weeks already? And other issues discussed in this thread already.Surveillance? Sit in cars, a neighbors house if they agree?
Cops really just can't understand why people don't like copsOr maybe simply go knock and have people out back in case the person is in the house and runs out the back. Your TV tactics are super strong though.
I'm not too sure what you mean. They are allowed to surround the house and knock on a door. This is not a search as far as Constitutional law goes.Well, we can't really skirt the legal issues if we call it a search now, can we?
Cops COMPLETELY understand why CERTAIN people don't like cops.Cops really just can't understand why people don't like cops
And I'm allowed, as a 100% law abiding property owner, to assume that armed trespassers have bad intentions toward me. Can you not see how this could go wrong? or does that not enter into the thought process?I'm not too sure what you mean. They are allowed to surround the house and knock on a door. This is not a search as far as Constitutional law goes.
You really don't get it. They look nothing like cops no reasonable person would think they're cops. You wanna get all sides of a house do it with big flashing police cruisers. Have you learned nothing from the Breonna Taylor case?I'm not too sure what you mean. They are allowed to surround the house and knock on a door. This is not a search as far as Constitutional law goes.
Cops COMPLETELY understand why CERTAIN people don't like cops.