you must either be doing something very right or very wrong to get this guy to write a response that short!!!GOOD FOR YOU!
A right unexercised because "they might not recognize it" may as well not be a right.
Again, good for you.
I do. this is DEFINITELY legal.Who believes a resident of NC is ok to have a concealed carry license issued by NH, without owning property, working in, or other evidences of minimum contacts within NH, without having to answer these questions which do not appear on the NH non-resident carry application?
IF they qualify for the NH permit then yes they are legal.So we would all agree an illegal alien, disqualified for NC permit under (a)(1) below would be perfectly legal carrying concealed in NC with a NH non-resident permit? I'll wait for a show of hands.
I know. I can't wrap my mind around why gun owners, of all people, want the laws to be stricter than they actually are, to the point where they're willing to make up wholly imaginary laws and then argue like they exist...I do. this is DEFINITELY legal.
IF they qualify for the NH permit then yes they are legal.
The statute couldn’t be any more clearly written that NC honors ALL valid permits.
why don’t people like or believe this?
Once again, this is a conflation of two different issues. The requirements to be issued a permit by NC are not the same thing as the requirements to carry concealed. The existence of differences among the different states, in terms of requirements to obtain a permit, has nothing to do with whether or not an NH permit is recognized by NC. This has been explained already, complete with citations. If you have any legal code to cite that contradicts this statement, please provide it.Below are (a) criteria for and (b) disqualifications for Sheriffs issuing a CHP in NC. Who believes a resident of NC is ok to have a concealed carry license issued by NH, without owning property, working in, or other evidences of minimum contacts within NH, without having to answer these questions which do not appear on the NH non-resident carry application? So we would all agree an illegal alien, disqualified for NC permit under (a)(1) below would be perfectly legal carrying concealed in NC with a NH non-resident permit? I'll wait for a show of hands. Or quick, get your NH permit after being arrested and charged, but out on bail, for a charge of domestic violence. Every US Citizen is innocent until proven guilty, right?
(a)(1) The applicant is a citizen of the United States or has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence as defined in 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(20), and has been a resident of the State 30 days or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application.
(b)(4) Is a fugitive from justice.
(7) Is or has been discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States under conditions other than honorable.
(10) Is free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal, or sentencing for a crime which would disqualify him from obtaining a concealed handgun permit.
(11) Has been convicted of an impaired driving offense under G.S. 20-138.1, 20-138.2, or 20-138.3 within three years prior to the date on which the application is submitted.
For reference, here are the qualification questions on the NH non-resident application:
f you answer “Yes” to any of the following questions, you must provide complete details on the reverse side of this form.
Have you ever had a permit or license to carry denied in this or any other state? Yes No
Have you ever been convicted of a felony, in this or any other state, which has not been annulled? Yes No
Are you an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance? Yes No
Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective by a court or committed by a court to any mental institution? Yes No
Have you ever been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence? Yes No
You copy pasted this text from a blog, not the NC legal code.North Carolina also allows out-of-state concealed handgun permittees to carry concealed handguns, pursuant to such permits, in North Carolina. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-415.24(a).
While carrying a handgun pursuant to such permit, qualified out-of-state permittees are held to the same standards as North Carolina permittees.
I for one don't believe the provisions under (c) below are clearly written. Somebody who believes this is legal and clearly written please admit you are ok with illegal aliens living in NC, and those described in (b) (4) (7) (10) & (11) in the NC application being able to obtain a NH non-resident permit and carry concealed "legally" in NC.The statute couldn’t be any more clearly written that NC honors ALL valid permits.
I for one don't believe the provisions under (c) below are clearly written.
if NH grants a foreign national a permit, i’m good with them carrying with it in NC. If applicant is not a US citizen they must provide their resident alien number. so it seems they won’t give a permit to an illegal alien anyway.
I think you have cut to the crux of the issue. I think this is one of those cases where the exact words of the statute may not mesh with the intent of at least some that would try to interpret that statute. I think the intent and as you put it was that an NC resident would obtain an NC permit, subject to it’s restrictions, but the wording of the statute doesn’t quantify this. Instead it says any other state‘s valid permit shall be recognized.Once again, this is a conflation of two different issues. The requirements to be issued a permit by NC are not the same thing as the requirements to carry concealed. The existence of differences among the different states, in terms of requirements to obtain a permit, has nothing to do with whether or not an NH permit is recognized by NC. This has been explained already, complete with citations. If you have any legal code to cite that contradicts this statement, please provide it.
Nobody is arguing that possession of a nonresident New Hampshire permit somehow "supercedes" NC laws. It is simply a fact that the NH permit is valid in NC under existing law.From New Hampshire's website
It is extremely important that all license holders be aware of the laws and requirements of all reciprocating states when visiting/traveling. Possession of a license does not supersede any other state's laws or license requirements. License holders are subject to the laws of the state they are visiting.
If you are a New Hampshire Pistol/Revolver License holder traveling to another state and wish to carry a concealed weapon using your New Hampshire license, contact that state directly to confirm their recognition status before carrying concealed weapons there. For example, some states only recognize a license if the person is 21 years of age or older.
Now you are completely off track. Section C is talking about North Carolina attempting to ensure that other states recognize the NC permit and attempting to ensure that other states grant nonresident permits to NC residents based on those NC residents already possessing an NC permit (Eg. making sure Bob the NC permit-holder from NC can go to PA and either use his existing NC permit or get a PA permit to legally carry in PA). That provision, designed to help NC CHP holders carry in other states, has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.I for one don't believe the provisions under (c) below are clearly written. Somebody who believes this is legal and clearly written please admit you are ok with illegal aliens living in NC, and those described in (b) (4) (7) (10) & (11) in the NC application being able to obtain a NH non-resident permit and carry concealed "legally" in NC.
This is not about 2A, constitutional carry or any of that. It's about legally carrying in NC.
§ 14-415.24. Reciprocity; out-of-state handgun permits.
(a) A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina.
(b) Repealed by Session Laws 2011-268, s. 22(a), effective December 1, 2011.
(c) Every 12 months after the effective date of this subsection, the Department of Justice shall make written inquiry of the concealed handgun permitting authorities in each other state as to: (i) whether a North Carolina resident may carry a concealed handgun in their state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit and (ii) whether a North Carolina resident may apply for a concealed handgun permit in that state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit. The Department of Justice shall attempt to secure from each state permission for North Carolina residents who hold a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit to carry a concealed handgun in that state, either on the basis of the North Carolina permit or on the basis that the North Carolina permit is sufficient to permit the issuance of a similar license or permit by the other state. (2003-199, s. 1; 2011-268, s. 22(a).
I didn’t get the impression of anyone saying it should be treated as illegal. What I did read is that the risk of running into a jackwagon that thinks it’s illegal could wind up costing a serious butt-ton of money because you could wind up with a Sorors persecutor that wants to make a Rittenhouse style example of you and a judge like the ones who’ve said ‘I don’t care what the law says, I don’t like guns and I’m a tyrant so I’ll do what I want”. To which he acknowledged this and has decided to go on about his business.I'm just very concerned with the prevalence of the attitude, among gun forum members, that something very much NOT illegal, by the text of the statute, should be treated as illegal because either (A) some cop will be too dumb to understand or (B) you think it's a loophole that wasn't intended. Neither of those are good reasons to tell an 18 or 20 year-old that they shouldn't use the only NC-legal method to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
I didn’t get the impression of anyone saying it should be treated as illegal. What I did read is that the risk of running into a jackwagon that thinks it’s illegal could wind up costing a serious butt-ton of money because you could wind up with a Sorors persecutor that wants to make a Rittenhouse style example of you and a judge like the ones who’ve said ‘I don’t care what the law says, I don’t like guns and I’m a tyrant so I’ll do what I want”. To which he acknowledged this and has decided to go on about his business.
To me, this is yet another example of this stupid idea called a Crime Against the State, which undoubtedly originated in some place like the Soviet Union. If you go back to before about the late 1800s this concept did not exist, nor did we have armed govt. agents going around looking for it. His carrying a gun should not be a crime, period. It should only become a crime if it’s used in a non justifiably defensive way that harms another.
I didn’t get the impression of anyone saying it should be treated as illegal. What I did read is that the risk of running into a jackwagon that thinks it’s illegal could wind up costing a serious butt-ton of money because you could wind up with a Sorors persecutor that wants to make a Rittenhouse style example of you and a judge like the ones who’ve said ‘I don’t care what the law says, I don’t like guns and I’m a tyrant so I’ll do what I want”.
still beats a never ending COVID discussion 😂this
Almost the same number of "made-up regulations" or the I feel this way so it must be so.still beats a never ending COVID discussion 😂