Conceal carrying at 18 nc

I say you do you alex. You are wanting to carry and willing to take the risk. I would consider what would happen if you actually got into an altercation where you had to use the firearm. You might end up the next Rittenhouse... then again, he did beat the case🤔. Good luck to you. Take it easy for a couple years and you SHOULD be fine.
 
1. Not a lawyer here.. so some thoughts if you decide to go through with this
2. I like your thinking... you are well-informed
3. Have your lawyer on speed-dial, if LEO is not convinced, call her and let the officer talk to her
4. You're in Greensboro, call Mark Robinson and ask him for his thoughts
 
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Alex.r said:
How would you reccomend getting in contact with him?i can’t seem to find a number anywhere
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Contact | Lieutenant Governor

ltgov.nc.gov ltgov.nc.gov

I don't know if he'll take your call on this path, but he is always out in NC visiting and working on things. Ask him if he could get someone to let you know their interpretation.
 
If you are in Greensboro, and want to talk to a criminal defense lawyer you can actually talk to, look up Joel Oakley. He's the best in town.
 
This smells like if mom (the CLEO) says no, you ask dad (LT Governor). I don’t see this ending well.

And I doubt you’ll be disclosing that you’re carrying concealed if you ever get stopped before you turn 21, seeing as you stated you have previously illegally carried concealed.

But hey, you do you!
 
IF, you were my son, I'd tell you Wait to carry (ccw) til 21. Risk of open carry so young have valid concerns too, not legally but kinda like wrong place wrong time screwed.
Lots of grief even if you were right.
Lots of common sense reasons that will keep your your young butt out of jail.
At 19 you are Cursed of should be old enough but ain't.
There's plenty of data filled with why under 21 was chosen.
Teen Suicide ranks up there as one example. Not saying thats you.
Don't become a statistic be being Dead Right at 19.
One of the biggest things that impressed me by Kile Rittenhouse was asked would you do that night if you would had known... he said he would of stayed home instead.
 
Have read a lot of the posts, but not all.

Here’s the thing. Either you will skate through this like a lot of us did doing things that may or may not have been the wisest choices when we were your age. And by wise choices, I mean looking back fifty years ago, would I have done things the way I did them.

If you are okay being a guinea pig in the NC courts, I say got for it.

The truth is, all of us are guinea pigs if we ever have to use our blasters in a defense scenario.

The courts will test your interpretation, if it ever gets to that.
 
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I find it rather disconcerting that some people in this forum seems to be against the right to keep and bare arms. Alex seems to have gone above and beyond in his research to make sure that he is following the law but some of you folks here seem to have an Elmer Fudd like mentality when it comes to carrying a firearm. You can have a shotgun or a rifle at 18 which are more powerful than a handgun but God forbid you carry a pistol for self defense. For those saying he should just wait until 21, you are forgetting a few things. First of all, it's rather easy for you older folks to say he should wait when YOU currently don't have to. Secondly, what if he gets attacked by a criminal before then (and he said he already has)? I guess he is just crap out of luck because even though he has a RIGHT to carry and NOT a PRIVILEGE, you seem to think that he doesn't deserve that right because of his age. There are 14 year olds that have defended there home with an ar-15 before but with your mentality, I guess they should have just let themselves get killed because they are to young to handle that kind of responsibility. Alex, so long as you are following the law and are acting responsibly, I fully support your right to keep and bare arms.
 
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I find it rather disconcerting that some people in this forum seems to be against the right to keep and bare arms. Alex seems to have gone above and beyond in his research to make sure that he is following the law but some of you folks here seem to have an Elmer Fudd like mentality when it comes to carrying a firearm. You can have a shotgun or a rifle at 18 which are more powerful than a handgun but God forbid you carry a pistol for self defense. For those saying he should just wait until 21, you are forgetting a few things. First of all, it's rather easy for you older folks to say he should wait when YOU currently don't have to. Secondly, what if he gets attacked by a criminal before then (and he said he already has)? I guess he is just crap out of luck because even though he has a RIGHT to carry and NOT a PRIVILEGE, you seem to think that he doesn't deserve that right because of his age. There are 14 year olds that have defended there home with an ar-15 before but with your mentality, I guess they should have just let themselves get killed because they are to young to handle that kind of responsibility. Alex, so long as you are following the law and are acting responsibly, I fully support your right to keep and bare arms.
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Here’s who the DA is in his home county.

How do you think that’s going to go for him if they decide they don’t see things the same way. And they won’t.

 
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Alex said:
Pretty sure that’s the da who dropped the charges against me previously after my incident.
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Do your travels take you out of Guildford county?
 
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Alex said:
Not usually ,I travel to the Claremont/newton area a few times a year though. While I don’t like open carrying I don’t feel as bad about open carrying around newton because it’s relatively peaceful there and it’s not a big crime filled city like Greensboro.fairly 2a friendly as far as I can tell.
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I’m not sure who all Mr Fox was berating up-thread, but I fully support your right to do whatever you feel necessary to defend yourself. I also go out of my way to avoid bringing the full force of the law upon my head. Too much trouble, and way too expensive. Best of luck to you in this pursuit, and I want to shoot your Barrett.
 
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After reading this thread I have a feeling that somewhere down the road we will be seeing posts here asking who knows a good lawyer. :rolleyes:
 
Alex said:
Thanks a lot ,I finally got in touch with him and at first he said it wasn’t legal for me to carry because the attorney general said so after he asked them ,but he called me hours later and said after a lot of research he said it was perfectly legal for me to do so.guess I’m legal to conceal carry now :)
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did the lt governor get agreement from the AG that it was legal? or was this his independent research after AG disagreed?
 
Alex said:
Haha very funny /s.I already have a good lawyer. And I’ve already agreed and paid for her to represent me ahead of time if anything happens,because she said it was legal as well.why must y’all be so negative about me finding a way to legally carry?
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Rights for me but not for thee perhaps? I can understand some concerns about legality but what is your life worth to you? I have seen many people over the years get arrested even though they never broke a single law. Such a thing is always possible when talking about ignorant/corrupt officials. All of this "what if" stuff being used as a reason to not carry a firearm even though it's legal is nonsense in my opinion.
 
Alex said:
He said he did his own research after the AG said it was illegal ,he then stated that he and the AG were sorry for misinforming me and that I was correct in that I can legally conceal carry with my permit ,
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so who are you going to listen to the Attorney General (and the lieutenant governor) or random internet people? 😂
 
RedFox099 said:
I find it rather disconcerting that some people in this forum seems to be against the right to keep and bare arms. Alex seems to have gone above and beyond in his research to make sure that he is following the law but some of you folks here seem to have an Elmer Fudd like mentality when it comes to carrying a firearm. You can have a shotgun or a rifle at 18 which are more powerful than a handgun but God forbid you carry a pistol for self defense. For those saying he should just wait until 21, you are forgetting a few things. First of all, it's rather easy for you older folks to say he should wait when YOU currently don't have to. Secondly, what if he gets attacked by a criminal before then (and he said he already has)? I guess he is just crap out of luck because even though he has a RIGHT to carry and NOT a PRIVILEGE, you seem to think that he doesn't deserve that right because of his age. There are 14 year olds that have defended there home with an ar-15 before but with your mentality, I guess they should have just let themselves get killed because they are to young to handle that kind of responsibility. Alex, so long as you are following the law and are acting responsibly, I fully support your right to keep and bare arms.
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What are you talking about? The majority of people who are old enough to carry and are chiming in, DID wait until we were 21. And the ones that didn’t, probably didn’t blast their illegal carrying all over the internet.

No one is saying the OP shouldn’t try to find a legal way to carry, we just know that something like this isn’t black and white. Of course everyone on here believes in the right to defend themselves. We are speaking on the legality, not saying we agree with the laws.

As far as 14 year olds defending themselves in their home, that’s perfectly legal. No one here said that if you aren’t old enough to buy a gun that you should let a home invader just do as they please. That’s just ridiculous.
 
RedFox099 said:
I find it rather disconcerting that some people in this forum seems to be against the right to keep and bare arms. Alex seems to have gone above and beyond in his research to make sure that he is following the law but some of you folks here seem to have an Elmer Fudd like mentality when it comes to carrying a firearm. You can have a shotgun or a rifle at 18 which are more powerful than a handgun but God forbid you carry a pistol for self defense. For those saying he should just wait until 21, you are forgetting a few things. First of all, it's rather easy for you older folks to say he should wait when YOU currently don't have to. Secondly, what if he gets attacked by a criminal before then (and he said he already has)? I guess he is just crap out of luck because even though he has a RIGHT to carry and NOT a PRIVILEGE, you seem to think that he doesn't deserve that right because of his age. There are 14 year olds that have defended there home with an ar-15 before but with your mentality, I guess they should have just let themselves get killed because they are to young to handle that kind of responsibility. Alex, so long as you are following the law and are acting responsibly, I fully support your right to keep and bare arms.
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I think what you are missing, and it’s an important point, is that we all may very well disagree with the laws as they are and fully support them being ripped down. What most of us, however, fully understand is that a bunch of Internet commandos aren’t going to save this kid from a possible arrest or hassle. Even >if< he does everything he thinks makes it legal for him to carry it is still going to come with a trip downtown, a court case, and expenses.

So, no, we don’t agree that he probably shouldn’t be allowed to carry like the rest of us. We are just warning him of the massive enema the state is going to ram up his backside when he faces a possible overzealous cop who doesn’t share in our interpretation of the laws.


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vp9c said:
so who are you going to listen to the Attorney General (and the lieutenant governor) or random internet people? 😂
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I was thinking about this. Based on Roy’s written guidance to Sheriffs when he was AG, I think we actually understand the statutes better than he does. That said, he was the persecutor, I mean, prosecutor, and we were just the guilty until proven innocent.
 
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I appreciate y’all warning me of the consequences,I fully understand this might end up with me in jail and court ,but the statement rather be tried by 12 than Carried by 6 is very true imo.Court fees or possible jail time (unlikely but plausible) is better than me being dead on concrete in a puddle of my own blood.
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I missed it upthread about whatever kind of situation you found yourself in that required armed defense. The statement about being judged by 12 rather than carried by six is becoming somewhat more gray to me these days.

I’ve stated this before, but when we have a governor, state attorney general, county DA, sheriff, and chief of police (in my location anyway), that are all of the party of gun control, it is safe to say that even if what you do is correct by the careful application of some esoteric laws about carrying legally when you would otherwise be carrying illegally, the trouble and expense you could possibly heap upon yourself if it ever ends up in court has the prospect of becoming quite large.

Which all means, “Watch yer six, and be safe."
 
@Alex - here’s my unsolicited advice, worth exactly what you paid for it

You don’t owe anybody here an explanation, and there’s no need at all to reply to every comment made to you. You have your answer. Move on. If people want to keep on posting in the thread, that’s up to them. You’ll sleep better when you don’t feel like you’re talking to a brick wall. 😎
 
Folks, read the law. Don't ask the sheriff or your bureaucrat friend. They do not have any secret information. You live in a place where citizens can read the legal code, verbatim. Lawyers are for situations when you cannot reasonably read or understand the legal text due to its length or complexity. This is not complex. You literally just need to read the couple of pages of NC statute covering the permitting system and the reciprocity law.

Absent any contravening circumstance that brings other laws into play (ie. a felony conviction, etc.) it is legal for anybody in NC (including those between the ages of 18 and 21) to carry concealed with a VALID nonresident carry permit (meaning it has your current information on it and is not expired) issued by another state. People need to stop spreading fuddlore and stop trying to prevent their fellow Americans from exercising their rights! I'm normally not this rude to fellow gun enthusiasts, but this merits an exception.

Read the reciprocity law in NC statute. Any concealed carry permit, despite being issued by another state, is valid in NC. Period. Read, read, read. Reading is fundamental.

The only time the age of 21 ever comes into play within NC's legal framework (with regard to carrying a firearm) is as a requirement to be issued a North Carolina permit, not as a minimum age requirement to carry.

OP's lawyer is correct that a valid NH permit allows the permit holder to carry concealed in NC, regardless of age. If I am wrong, point out the legal text that contradicts what I have said. Otherwise, stop fearmongering and giving misinformation.

Relevant reading:


 
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OK...a few things here.

First, I ain't no ambulance chaser and even if I were I'm not YOUR ambulance chaser. So this ain't legal advice, but opinion.

First of all, the DOJ, law enforcement, and the DA aren't in the business of interpreting the law for you. They're in the business of enforcing the laws, and that means they're enforcing them AGAINST citizens.

Second, unless the DA (or whomever) actually puts their opinions IN WRITING, then not one thing they tell you will be worth spit in an actual legal battle in court. Sometimes they DO put things into writing, as in a form of clarification of existing statutes and their interpretation. These DO carry weight.

Third, I don't know the details about your attorney (and I'm not asking because that's private). But if you're consulting an attorney, make sure they actually specialize in the laws concerning firearms. Also, if you have not actually retained the services of an attorney, then what you'll be getting in a "free consultation" will be worth every penny you paid for it. A free consultation is the "low-fat, non-dairy creamer" version of legal advice. It's a bare-bones legal opinion without the benefit of actually delving into the full details of any given scenario consulted about.


Getting a response from the DOJ telling you to call law enforcement for advice is the height of demonstrated legal ignorance on whomever you talked to. Or perhaps manipulation.

Why?

Because BOTH are interested in enforcing the laws, as THEY see them, against citizens they feel violated them. If law enforcement decided to arrest you because (reasons), the DOJ wouldn't lift a finger for you. Period.

You say you believe what you posted to be legally supported.

OK, fine. You've made your bed, you have to lie in it, whatever the outcome. And I'm good with that.

I don't have time (sorry, I'm dead tired coming up on midnight), but i do know the devil is in the details. As an example of such details, my SC permit is accepted in Indiana. However, IN statutes on concealed carry specifically says any limitations in the issuing state are also applicable in Indiana, even if Indiana statutes are more lenient.


On another note...I believe there are a couple instances you alluded to having used a firearm (presumably in your defense). At the age of 19, I submit to you that this should raise some warning flags in your mind. ANY self defense encounter should ALWAYS be critically viewed with a determined, analytical eye towards what happened, why, what could have been done differently, and what behavior changes you can make to avoid similar encounters in the future.

Best wishes.
 
I just noticed this thread 'cause if it went 5 pages it must be good.

Observations,

Of all of the people you talked to that gave you advice, how many put their opinion in writing? If they didn't you won't be able to count on them when the SHTF.

A reason some people have objections to this is when some people try to game the system the system responds by tightening the reigns as it were. In effect, making things harder for the rest of us.

If you were actually charged don't be so sure you would win. District court judges are just as likely to find you guilty without doing all of your research, this happens more than you would think, and the only recourse you have is to appeal to a higher one. The NC court of appeals is always correcting lower courts mistakes and now you are talking real money.

Police officers and agencies are legally forbidden from giving legal advice so their opinions, as are mine, are worth exactly what you paid for them.

Lastly, learn how to use a comma at least, it's been talked about several times here and you are still making the same mistakes.;)
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Stay out of trouble and good luck.
 
J R Green said:
Lastly, learn how to use a comma at least, it's been talked about several times here and you are still making the same mistakes.;)
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In his defense…both of his replies post-12/15 are good. I had a chat with him in Shoutbox about it and I think he learned something. 😁
 
Alex said:
I have my lawyers word in writing, and I have a notarized document saying they’ll represent me if something happens for a flat fee.


eh,,, I’m,not,,getting,,,,,,,paid, to write,,, it so I think,,,, I’ll just stick to , my crappy ,,grammar

Better?
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Just saying, you are choosing to communicate through written word. A little effort is necessary if you want to be heard but... you do you.
 
J R Green said:
Just saying, you are choosing to communicate through written word. A little effort is necessary if you want to be heard but... you do you.
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I do overall agree with your point, but in fairness I think he's doing pretty well for someone from the kthxbye abbreviated text generation.
 
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