"Brutal’ attack on pregnant woman at Publix ends when witness pulls gun, Florida cops say"

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Tanasia Kenney
Tue, October 25, 2022 at 10:59 AM


A bystander drew his gun on a man accused of beating and stomping on his pregnant girlfriend outside a Publix super market, ending the “brutal” attack, Florida deputies say.
The incident occurred around 5:15 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 22, in the parking lot of the Largo grocery store, according to an arrest affidavit.
The woman told Pinellas County deputies that her boyfriend, Cole Danisment, 27, got angry and punched her in the face repeatedly. She fell to the ground, and Danisment is then accused of stomping on her head and upper body.
The woman told deputies that Danisment knew she was 14 weeks pregnant with his unborn child.

A man who witnessed the attack said he feared for the woman’s life, prompting him to intervene. Danisment didn’t stop brutalizing the woman until the witness pulled a gun on him, according to the affidavit

Intervene or not? What if the perp didn't stop once the firearm was drawn?
 
rufrdr said:
https://news.yahoo.com/brutal-attack-pregnant-woman-publix-145939784.html


Tanasia Kenney
Tue, October 25, 2022 at 10:59 AM


A bystander drew his gun on a man accused of beating and stomping on his pregnant girlfriend outside a Publix super market, ending the “brutal” attack, Florida deputies say.
The incident occurred around 5:15 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 22, in the parking lot of the Largo grocery store, according to an arrest affidavit.
The woman told Pinellas County deputies that her boyfriend, Cole Danisment, 27, got angry and punched her in the face repeatedly. She fell to the ground, and Danisment is then accused of stomping on her head and upper body.
The woman told deputies that Danisment knew she was 14 weeks pregnant with his unborn child.

A man who witnessed the attack said he feared for the woman’s life, prompting him to intervene. Danisment didn’t stop brutalizing the woman until the witness pulled a gun on him, according to the affidavit

Intervene or not? What if the perp didn't stop once the firearm was drawn?
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some folk just need killin
 
Mirac said:
Yeah, He should have made the shot.

A Gun is not to be drawn and used as intimidation.
If human life was at stake, draw, aim and squeeze...
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Your attitude about self defense is completely wrong and even concerning. The vast majority of cases where someone had to pull a gun in self defense, they didn't have to fire because the criminal gave up when he saw the gun. You can only shoot someone if your life (or the life of a third party that you are defending) is in immediate jeopardy. The idea that "if you draw then you have to shoot" is complete nonsense and will get you behind bars very easily. If the criminal gives up when you draw your gun then Jeopardy has mostly disappeared and it would not be justified to shoot. We need to be responsible and use intelligence when carrying a firearm and understand when to shoot and more importantly, when not to shoot. I suggest that you study Massad Ayoob's work on judicious use of deadly force before you end up killing someone without just cause.
 
RedFox099 said:
Your attitude about self defense is completely wrong and even concerning. The vast majority of cases where someone had to pull a gun in self defense, they didn't have to fire because the criminal gave up when he saw the gun. You can only shoot someone if your life (or the life of a third party that you are defending) is in immediate jeopardy. The idea that "if you draw then you have to shoot" is complete nonsense and will get you behind bars very easily. If the criminal gives up when you draw your gun then Jeopardy has mostly disappeared and it would not be justified to shoot. We need to be responsible and use intelligence when carrying a firearm and understand when to shoot and more importantly, when not to shoot. I suggest that you study Massad Ayoob's work on judicious use of deadly force before you end up killing someone without just cause.
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I don’t disagree that you shouldn’t shoot once it’s clear that the threat has ended, but you have no need to draw attention to the fact that you’re drawing a gun, planning to shoot, and giving him an opportunity to change his plans.
 
I think the point attempted was he tried to intervene, the threat continued so he drew his weapon. As far as squeezing or not at that point, I’ll let you all hash it out. Hard to judge based on a text recount of the issue.

That aside defense of another is dicey. Never know what proceeded it.
 
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Intervene or not? What if the perp didn't stop once the firearm was drawn?
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nope. clear out and call the social workers to come deal with his anger issues.

last thing I need is the bad guy decides to stop beating his woman and comes for me, and I'm the one holding the lethal force tool and he's unarmed and now I'm the bad guy. or the dumb broad decides that I'm attacking her baby daddy and she's going to get in on the attack on me.
 
I might draw if the situation is absolutely crystal clear. But I carry a gun for me and mine. Sorry the lady chose an asshat for a boyfriend, but I'd be more sorry to spend even a few days behind bars or many thousands of dollars defending myself once baby momma decided there was $$ in it for her.
 
rufrdr said:
https://news.yahoo.com/brutal-attack-pregnant-woman-publix-145939784.html


Tanasia Kenney
Tue, October 25, 2022 at 10:59 AM


A bystander drew his gun on a man accused of beating and stomping on his pregnant girlfriend outside a Publix super market, ending the “brutal” attack, Florida deputies say.
The incident occurred around 5:15 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 22, in the parking lot of the Largo grocery store, according to an arrest affidavit.
The woman told Pinellas County deputies that her boyfriend, Cole Danisment, 27, got angry and punched her in the face repeatedly. She fell to the ground, and Danisment is then accused of stomping on her head and upper body.
The woman told deputies that Danisment knew she was 14 weeks pregnant with his unborn child.

A man who witnessed the attack said he feared for the woman’s life, prompting him to intervene. Danisment didn’t stop brutalizing the woman until the witness pulled a gun on him, according to the affidavit

Intervene or not? What if the perp didn't stop once the firearm was drawn?
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Press directly to the rear.
 
Back in the 20th century I was driving past a bar when I saw a guy slapping a girl hard repeatedly across the face. I stopped and jumped out with a rifle barrel in my hand that I had pulled off of a FN Mauser recently. When I yelled at him to stop, the woman being slapped reached up and took him in an embrace and started kissing him passionately. I have no idea what dynamic was going on there, but that put me off from being a hero. If I had hit the guy with the barrel I am sure the girl would've testified against me in a heartbeat.
 
Dave951 said:
Forget the gun, blindside the perp with a full shopping cart. "Hey, I was looking for mah car...."
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Dunno if you're only joking or also kind of serious, but my first thought here was if I was going to intervene (which would depend on the situation), it wouldn't be a gun, it would be pepper spray early and often. The legalities of lethal force in a case like this seem very tricky. She'd be justified in using lethal force defending herself, almost certainly, because of the disparity of force issue. That means in an alter ego state, I might be justified in using lethal force in her defense. But since the disparity of force point probably wouldn't carry over to me, I am not sure I'd want to try my luck with a prosecutor on that one.

Pepper spray...don't leave home without it. Just because this is a gun forum doesn't mean we should forget about intermediate force options.
 
I was walking 11 y years ago or so in my neighborhood. I had my twin boys in a stroller and my shelter dog. He is part shepherd and we had him about a week or so at this point.

We rounded a corner and a young black kid was holding a teenage blonde white girl up by her neck choking her. Well I yelled at him and he kept squeezing her and flipped out what appeared to be a stiletto knife. I drew down on him with my handgun. About this time my neighbor tackled him and pummeled him into the pavement. I didn’t realize my neighbor, who was a cop at the time and is now retired, had seen the events. He told me he was hoping I would not shoot the kid because the stiletto was actually a comb but he did see the kid choking the girl and went to help her. Well long story short the girl said he was helping her get “pleasure” by choking her and was pissed we interfered. Cops never pressed charges on him because the girl wouldn’t follow thru.
 
Jayne said:
nope. clear out and call the social workers to come deal with his anger issues.

last thing I need is the bad guy decides to stop beating his woman and comes for me, and I'm the one holding the lethal force tool and he's unarmed and now I'm the bad guy. or the dumb broad decides that I'm attacking her baby daddy and she's going to get in on the attack on me.
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So true. She'll take him back in as soon as he is release on no bail.
 
Walkabout Dan said:
True and if things don’t change what hope does the America our forefathers made for us have is the sad part.
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That America of our forefathers is gone, it started when we let politicians become a life long job. From my reading of the history, that was after the civil war.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
That America of our forefathers is gone, it started when we let politicians become a life long job. From my reading of the history, that was after the civil war.
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You are 100% correct as in 1861 a government of by and for the people perished.
 
RedFox099 said:
Your attitude about self defense is completely wrong and even concerning. The vast majority of cases where someone had to pull a gun in self defense, they didn't have to fire because the criminal gave up when he saw the gun. You can only shoot someone if your life (or the life of a third party that you are defending) is in immediate jeopardy. The idea that "if you draw then you have to shoot" is complete nonsense and will get you behind bars very easily. If the criminal gives up when you draw your gun then Jeopardy has mostly disappeared and it would not be justified to shoot. We need to be responsible and use intelligence when carrying a firearm and understand when to shoot and more importantly, when not to shoot. I suggest that you study Massad Ayoob's work on judicious use of deadly force before you end up killing someone without just cause.
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😂. A bit dramatic, don’t you think?

Yur gonna get a kick out of the rest of the stuff I’ve written here...
 
Catfish said:
Hmmm I wonder what a high-speed can of tuna to the noggin would do for this situation?
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Well when I was 13, my cousion slamed my foot in the pantry door as I was comming out. A can of soup to they side of his head knocked him to his knees and got me a butt whooping..
 
Tim said:
I might draw if the situation is absolutely crystal clear. But I carry a gun for me and mine. Sorry the lady chose an asshat for a boyfriend, but I'd be more sorry to spend even a few days behind bars or many thousands of dollars defending myself once baby momma decided there was $$ in it for her.
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NCLivingBrit said:
Sorry, but not my circus, not my monkeys. Don't get knocked up by scumbags would be my advice.
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Jim1392 said:
Call the police, and walk away. Unless it's defending my family or myself I'll not be getting involved.
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Yep, sorry but I have no skin in the game … PLUS domestic arguments can turn 180° in the blink of an eye. Not knowing the complete situation you’re putting your future at risk for someone you do not know for reasons you are not clear on. My name is Bennett and I ain’t in it.
 
Moylan said:
Dunno if you're only joking or also kind of serious, but my first thought here was if I was going to intervene (which would depend on the situation), it wouldn't be a gun, it would be pepper spray early and often. The legalities of lethal force in a case like this seem very tricky. She'd be justified in using lethal force defending herself, almost certainly, because of the disparity of force issue. That means in an alter ego state, I might be justified in using lethal force in her defense. But since the disparity of force point probably wouldn't carry over to me, I am not sure I'd want to try my luck with a prosecutor on that one.

Pepper spray...don't leave home without it. Just because this is a gun forum doesn't mean we should forget about intermediate force options.
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Actually quasi serious. Depending on her reaction to the "accident" you avoid the weird domestic stuff and you haven't pulled out your gun (lethal force) in a situation that may not be the best place for it. Meanwhile, the perp is struggling to stand up with ankles tangled in a cart.
 
I dunno on this idea. By intervening without lethal force have you becone an aggressor if for example he gets up and pulls a gun on the guy who just deliberately hit him with a shopping cart?
 
The more I think about this situation the less certain I am about what to do if my only tool is lethal force.

It’s not in me to let her get stomped into the pavement, but I’m old and tired and not gonna roll on the ground with the guy. Getting close pretty much takes away the firearm option. Spray sounds like the best option, but even then do you end up in court for pepper spraying a beaten pregnant woman.

Tough call.
 
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