"Brutal’ attack on pregnant woman at Publix ends when witness pulls gun, Florida cops say"

I have nothing to add in the hypothetical, but man, it’s surreal to read about Larghetto on a NC gun forum.

That’s where my family lives.
 
rufrdr said:
Back in the 20th century I was driving past a bar when I saw a guy slapping a girl hard repeatedly across the face. ... the woman ... reached up and took him in an embrace and started kissing him passionately.
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Radar said:
Well long story short the girl said he was helping her get “pleasure” by choking her and was pissed we interfered. Cops never pressed charges on him because the girl wouldn’t follow thru.
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Yeah, that's what i was talking about
 
Nope, I’m not shooting in that case. Draw on him to convince him to stop but too much personal risk to shoot to save her. I know it sounds bad, but that’s the reality of our justice system today. Best case for her is if he redirects his aggression towards me for telling him to stop, then it’s a different story.
 
noway2 said:
Need to ask yourself, is it worth it? Especially these days?
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There is nothing without risk. A guy slaps a gal I’m watching to see what develops. A guy is stomping on someone’s head in a parking lot, I’m going to do something and just hope that folks have been filming. Not sure what “something” is in most situations, good to think about it.
 
mj1angier said:
Well when I was 13, my cousion slamed my foot in the pantry door as I was comming out. A can of soup to they side of his head knocked him to his knees and got me a butt whooping..
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My brother and I were living together in a rented single wide.

An argument broke out and I told him and his buddy to leave. Instead of just walking out, he decides to raid the fridge and starts grabbing beers. I stepped up and kicked the fridge door, which, with laser guided precision, clamped right on his neck.

He emerged from the fridge and started throwing 16oz Coors Lights at me, hard enough that one stuck in the wall behind me.

I dodged the first couple or three, not unlike that dude in the Matrix movie, but he finally pump faked a pass, flung that can, and it caught me perfectly centered on my forehead. My knees packed their bags and left for the weekend and there I was walking around the room, looking like a newborn giraffe.

He and his buddy bolted out the backdoor.

To add insult to injury, at work that night, I'm sitting at the break table with my Dad and he asks me what that mark is on my face. The fridge to face beer missile left an almost perfect circle on my noggin.

Before I could answer, he asked if it came from a can. When I told him the story, I thought he was going to pee himself from laughing so much.
 
Glade8r said:
What if you shoot him and the pregnant lady decides she didn't want her baby daddy executed?
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This scenario comes up once in a while. The problem is that domestic violence instances are notorious for being wickedly evil for those who attempt to step into them, even for the police.

Even for honestly brutal instances and not just playing around sexual antics.

There are often some truly messed up minds in both people, with the "victim" often taking the side of the abuser is anyone outside attempts to intervein.

I hate to say this, but sometimes it's best to call the police and simply be a "good witness" to the event.

I'd try various non-lethal methods first, if the situation allowed. Get 911 call started while shouting to that effect, getting other people into the act because drawing more attention may work to get the guy to stop, etc. Physically getting involved directly will be low on the list as getting myself physically entangled in the guy could turn out very bad. Record it with my phone while all this is going on as well. This way if some kind of physical intervention involving deadly force DOES become warranted, then at least you have that going for you if the "victim" turns on you.
 
Was Mr throat tattoo armed? Just wondering why a lot of people these days feel like they have to use a gun in a defense situation. Is it Covid? Why are people afraid to go hands on? Are those people automatically in fear of their life or just intimidated by aggression?

I understand in this situation the bystander may have felt like the womans life was in jeopardy, and maybe he had a physical ailment that prevented him from going hands on and maybe yada yada...

Genuine question, does a man's lack of confidence in his ability to use his hands in conflict resolution automatically make it acceptable to use a gun?

Again, this is a genuine question. I've been wrong before and you guys have helped me see the error in my ways.
 
rufrdr said:
https://news.yahoo.com/brutal-attack-pregnant-woman-publix-145939784.html


Tanasia Kenney
Tue, October 25, 2022 at 10:59 AM


A bystander drew his gun on a man accused of beating and stomping on his pregnant girlfriend outside a Publix super market, ending the “brutal” attack, Florida deputies say.
The incident occurred around 5:15 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 22, in the parking lot of the Largo grocery store, according to an arrest affidavit.
The woman told Pinellas County deputies that her boyfriend, Cole Danisment, 27, got angry and punched her in the face repeatedly. She fell to the ground, and Danisment is then accused of stomping on her head and upper body.
The woman told deputies that Danisment knew she was 14 weeks pregnant with his unborn child.

A man who witnessed the attack said he feared for the woman’s life, prompting him to intervene. Danisment didn’t stop brutalizing the woman until the witness pulled a gun on him, according to the affidavit

Intervene or not? What if the perp didn't stop once the firearm was drawn?
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Chdamn said:
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing.
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Very true, but the cost could be you spending 5 years to life in prison, depending on the charges filed. A stranger is not worth it, for my family, I would not hesitate. In the modern political world we live in, being the good guy is very dangerous.
 
LizardKing said:
Was Mr throat tattoo armed? Just wondering why a lot of people these days feel like they have to use a gun in a defense situation. Is it Covid? Why are people afraid to go hands on? Are those people automatically in fear of their life or just intimidated by aggression?

I understand in this situation the bystander may have felt like the womans life was in jeopardy, and maybe he had a physical ailment that prevented him from going hands on and maybe yada yada...

Genuine question, does a man's lack of confidence in his ability to use his hands in conflict resolution automatically make it acceptable to use a gun?

Again, this is a genuine question. I've been wrong before and you guys have helped me see the error in my ways.
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Disparity of force. I’m 57, average build (ie a little chubby) and if I believe that some 25 y/o is capable of beating his girlfriend nearly to death in a parking lot, then I’m going to avoid going hands on. It’s like being a lifeguard, you don’t get in the water with someone drowning if you don’t have to, reach, throw, row, go.
 
JimB said:
Disparity of force. I’m 57, average build (ie a little chubby) and if I believe that some 25 y/o is capable of beating his girlfriend nearly to death in a parking lot, then I’m going to avoid going hands on. It’s like being a lifeguard, you don’t get in the water with someone drowning if you don’t have to, reach, throw, row, go.
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I was going to say the same thing. At 56 years old, fat and bad shoulder, I have learned to work (fight) smarter, not harder. I would use every force multiplier I could get!
 
JimB said:
Disparity of force. I’m 57, average build (ie a little chubby) and if I believe that some 25 y/o is capable of beating his girlfriend nearly to death in a parking lot, then I’m going to avoid going hands on. It’s like being a lifeguard, you don’t get in the water with someone drowning if you don’t have to, reach, throw, row, go.
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mj1angier said:
I was going to say the same thing. At 56 years old, fat and bad shoulder, I have learned to work (fight) smarter, not harder. I would use every force multiplier I could get!
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Shady Grady said:
I would never catch another wink of sleep if I let some pregnant lady get stomped to death in a supermarket parking lot.
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I understand and agree with all.

My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?

I know, carry every step, every day and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

My assertion is society has gotten soft and without learning some of life's lessons the hard way it will continue a downward slope.

I know this is veering off topic and I'm not disagreeing with the fact that, in this particular situation the end result was good.
 
LizardKing said:
I understand and agree with all.

My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?

I know, carry every step, every day and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

My assertion is society has gotten soft and without learning some of life's lessons the hard way it will continue a downward slope.

I know this is veering off topic and I'm not disagreeing with the fact that, in this particular situation the end result was good.
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How do you know he is going to stop at handing your butt to you in a whooping and not kill you if you go hands on and it goes bad for you? Do you put your gun down before going hands on? If not you are going to be constantly trying to keep his hands off of your gun. If it is a normal fight that doesn't warrant potential lethal force I'm not getting involved anyways so the point of it not warranting potential lethal force goes out of the window in defense of another.
 
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LizardKing said:
Genuine question, does a man's lack of confidence in his ability to use his hands in conflict resolution automatically make it acceptable to use a gun?

Again, this is a genuine question. I've been wrong before and you guys have helped me see the error in my ways.
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LizardKing said:
My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?
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I'm only 5'7". I don't like my odds of fighting somebody 6ft plus. especially now that i'm getting older, and ESPECIALLY since i blew out my knee 15 years ago. I know how healthy i was then, and i know how much it slowed me down. Even without the knee problem.. size and strength are disparity of force. If it weren't so, 5' women could go toe to toe with mike tyson.
 
LizardKing said:
I understand and agree with all.

My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?

I know, carry every step, every day and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

My assertion is society has gotten soft and without learning some of life's lessons the hard way it will continue a downward slope.

I know this is veering off topic and I'm not disagreeing with the fact that, in this particular situation the end result was good.
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I think it's acceptable. The judgement at the time is that the aggressor is in the process of doing great harm or killing someone, so at that point you can legally use force up to and including lethal force to protect the person.

Would I introduce a gun? Maybe, depends on what else is going on, what other tools are available. But think of it like this, how can I save the victim with the least risk to myself? The answer is probably a gun, even if there might be legal ramifications.
 
biganimal said:
I would interfere only if she was my kin or someone I know.
Otherwise I consider it Culling the herd.
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When I read statements like this, a particular word comes to mind. Dehumanization. We're talking about people not cattle. I see this kind of attitude more and more. Anytime someone gets hurt people seem like they're happy about it or at least completely indifferent. It's like there is no care for our fellow man anymore unless we personally know/like them. Kinda reminds me of something I read once.
Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
 
RedFox099 said:
When I read statements like this, a particular word comes to mind. Dehumanization. We're talking about people not cattle. I see this kind of attitude more and more. Anytime someone gets hurt people seem like they're happy about it or at least completely indifferent. It's like there is no care for our fellow man anymore unless we personally know/like them. Kinda reminds me of something I read once.
Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
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Most people are cattle these days.
 
ChickenHawk said:
How do you know he is going to stop at handing your butt to you in a whooping and not kill you if you go hands on and it goes bad for you? Do you put your gun down before going hands on? If not you are going to be constantly trying to keep his hands off of your gun. If it is a normal fight that doesn't warrant potential lethal force I'm not getting involved anyways so the point of it not warranting potential lethal force goes out of the window in defense of another.
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Thank you. The part in bold is what I was getting at. I feel like a certain segment of society doesn't understand a "normal fight" and know when to mind their own business.
DrScaryGuy said:
I'm only 5'7". I don't like my odds of fighting somebody 6ft plus. especially now that i'm getting older, and ESPECIALLY since i blew out my knee 15 years ago. I know how healthy i was then, and i know how much it slowed me down. Even without the knee problem.. size and strength are disparity of force. If it weren't so, 5' women could go toe to toe with mike tyson.
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I'm not a big guy myself and have made a lot of bad decisions in the past, hence a couple scars on my head. But, I learned lessons about conflict resolution or if appropriate, avoidance.

Life isn't fair and the odds aren't always in your favor, but now that's not being taught and the soft society isn't allowing people to learn that. Nowadays its referred to as being " bullied."
 
LizardKing said:
My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?
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The short answer is no. You are allowed to use equal force. You can't shoot someone just cause you think you'd lose in a fight, not unless you want to go to jail.

Edit: I am not an attorney.
 
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LizardKing said:
I understand and agree with all.

My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?

I know, carry every step, every day and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

My assertion is society has gotten soft and without learning some of life's lessons the hard way it will continue a downward slope.

I know this is veering off topic and I'm not disagreeing with the fact that, in this particular situation the end result was good.
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Could I beat the unholy hell out of some 25 year old whooping on a woman in parking lot? Maybe. What do I do when he pulls a knife or firearm at that point?

If something feels like it's going to be a tussle between me and another dude over some bullshit, then yeah, I'll go. If boots/feet/shoes are going to somebody's head, we've crossed the line from assault to attempted murder.
 
LizardKing said:
I'm not a big guy myself and have made a lot of bad decisions in the past, hence a couple scars on my head. But, I learned lessons about conflict resolution or if appropriate, avoidance.

Life isn't fair and the odds aren't always in your favor, but now that's not being taught and the soft society isn't allowing people to learn that. Nowadays its referred to as being " bullied."
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I think where you're misunderstanding things is that there are some people who will say 'i'm gonna teach him the manners his parents should have" and give you a few lumps, and there are others that say "you don't disrespect me, i'm going to kill you" and then try. And there are others who say "hey that guy just got knocked down. let's crowd around him and kick him and somebody can jump up and down on his head"

judged by 12, i guess.
 
LizardKing said:
Was Mr throat tattoo armed? Just wondering why a lot of people these days feel like they have to use a gun in a defense situation. Is it Covid? Why are people afraid to go hands on? Are those people automatically in fear of their life or just intimidated by aggression?
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While I agree with you that a gun isn't necessarily the thing to lead with, it isn't about being "afraid to go hands on".

I'm not very likely to physically engage a violent person "hands on". I've too many other important people in my life to risk myself needlessly like that.

I'd be looking for other methods and tactics first.
 
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LizardKing said:
Thank you. The part in bold is what I was getting at. I feel like a certain segment of society doesn't understand a "normal fight" and know when to mind their own business.

I'm not a big guy myself and have made a lot of bad decisions in the past, hence a couple scars on my head. But, I learned lessons about conflict resolution or if appropriate, avoidance.

Life isn't fair and the odds aren't always in your favor, but now that's not being taught and the soft society isn't allowing people to learn that. Nowadays its referred to as being " bullied."
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It wasn't a normal fight that they were having so your point is moot in this case.
 
ChickenHawk said:
It wasn't a normal fight that they were having so your point is moot in this case.
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LizardKing said:
I understand and agree with all.

My question remains, if a man, without physical limitations, is afraid of getting his butt handed to him, is it acceptable to shoot an unarmed man?

I know, carry every step, every day and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

My assertion is society has gotten soft and without learning some of life's lessons the hard way it will continue a downward slope.

I know this is veering off topic and I'm not disagreeing with the fact that, in this particular situation the end result was good.
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yard mongrel said:
Could I beat the unholy hell out of some 25 year old whooping on a woman in parking lot? Maybe. What do I do when he pulls a knife or firearm at that point?

If something feels like it's going to be a tussle between me and another dude over some bullshit, then yeah, I'll go. If boots/feet/shoes are going to somebody's head, we've crossed the line from assault to attempted murder.
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Bold from my previous comment upstream, in case you missed it.
 
LizardKing said:
Bold from my previous comment upstream, in case you missed it.
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If you don't have a deviated septum by your early 20s, you weren't having enough fun or talking enough shit.

But when you're old and out of shape and spent good money on new body parts, fighting doesn't have the appeal it once had.
 
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RedFox099 said:
When I read statements like this, a particular word comes to mind. Dehumanization. We're talking about people not cattle. I see this kind of attitude more and more. Anytime someone gets hurt people seem like they're happy about it or at least completely indifferent. It's like there is no care for our fellow man anymore unless we personally know/like them. Kinda reminds me of something I read once.
Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
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Not one word of my statement implied I would be happy to see someone get hurt. But If you think I’m indifferent you’re correct. You said we’re talking people not cattle. Well, cattle are animals and these type of folks are animals. If a lion was attacking his lioness, or if a gorilla was beating his mate, I would not interfere. Why? Because it’s what animals do.

You may think I’m cold & uncaring but really I’m not. Like I stated I’ll not get involved unless it’s kin or friend. And why is that?
Because I have no desire to lose my life or to lose all my worldly goods because some animal chooses to attack someone.

I have two good friends that found themselves in similar situations. One ended up with an artery in his leg opened up when the beater pulled a knife, he died on the sidewalk at age 27.
In another incident another friend kicked the attacker in the head to stop him from cutting the girl up. The attacker suffered brain damage and the bimbo that he attacked sued my friend for 2.8 million dollars. He lost his wife, home and business as a result. My friend took his own life 16 months later. He was 34.
I’ll continue to be indifferent and walk on by.
 
LizardKing said:
Why are people afraid to go hands on? Are those people automatically in fear of their life or just intimidated by aggression?
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Anybody that knows me from 25 years ago, knows that I would have sailed on that PAB in one second and hit him hard enough he would have heard his Granny singing in Heaven. Today, if you see me fighting, you'll know I'm outta bullets.
As to this Specific case....I hope I could stay out of it....Jay Noble Dagget to my rescue.
 
Thanksgiving 2016 I was faced with a similar choice. He wasn't actively beating her but had been. In a rapidly escalating series of events I found myself between them with her clinging to my back like a monkey and him trying to get around me to get to her. My hand on the CZ and dead cold stated intention to shoot him if he tried to close the distance stopped him. Once he left, the police arrived, and I saw her injuries in the florescent lights of a McDonald's, I kinda wished he had made the attempt. She was 9 weeks pregnant. Some people are absolute garbage.
 
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