1. Carolina Firearms Forum proudly stands with our fellow 2A supporters in Virginia facing opposition to their Constitutional right to legally bear arms.

But the police are pro-2A and would never (insert absurd claim here)...

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  1. SPM

    SPM Wobomagonda Life Member

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    Virginia Police kick all Virginians out of legislative session of their "Representatives" who are busily passing legislation to violate the natural and unalienable Rights of Man.

    https://www.wric.com/news/politics/...clears-committee-crowd-ordered-out-by-police/

    The cops are not pro-2A, they do not protect you, they don't serve you.

    The protect, serve, and obey to political class that despises you, and are the armed muscle that will either force your submission or end your life.

    People need to wake up to the fact that law enforcement,as it exists in these United States today, is the very standing army the Founding Generation so feared.
     
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    NCLivingBrit Clueless Protoplasm

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    Amen.

    Truth spoken right there.
     
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    Bailey Boat Senior Member Benefactor Supporting Member

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    You do realize that it's a 2 sided coin, right??
     
  4. SPM

    SPM Wobomagonda Life Member

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    Yes sir, I do. But it’s a bad day when Honorable Men are called upon to make good on terrible Oaths.
     
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    Brangus Administrator Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    It's not quite that easy to openly declare what you have here.
    • It's a two-sided coin and three of your statements are pretty broad to insinuate that none in the LE community are pro-2A...or protect.....or serve us.
    • You further state they protect, serve, and obey a political class despising the populace. Pretty broad brush once again.
    • How about adding some facts "to wake up to" that prove your point that law enforcement as a whole.........as you paint them with your brush ......as it exists today......is the standing army that the "Founding Generation" so feared ?
    I for one am not ready to sit back and watch such open attacks on the law enforcement communities as a whole without a rebuttal. While it's obvious that many in the LE communities have abused their powers over the years one could easily group many more professions, states, regions, etc., etc., etc.

    I just wanted to throw that out there. Pretty broad statements.
     
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    Geezer Mama Tried Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    I know some police officers that are very pro gun and are the opposite of what @SPM is talking about. You are going to have good and bad police officers, doctors, lawyers, custodians, car salesman, on and on. When you say all, you lose credibility in your argument.
     
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    SPM Wobomagonda Life Member

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    Fair enough. But they will murder you over a plant, even as many tell you they don't think it ought to be illegal.

    Shoot autistic folks.

    Shoot dogs for barking, for wagging their tails.

    Lie to obtain warrants, then murder you in a no knock raid.

    Kill you as you sob and beg for your life because you aren't good at drunk Simon Says (then quietly rehire your murderer so he can collect a pension for the PTSD he claims killing you gave him, all while "You're F*cked" was clearly printed on the dust cover of his rifle that he killed you with.)

    And all the good cops may not defend the bad ones, but they certainly aren't going to come out against them, either.

    History suggests that men with that kind of power, who are simultaneously shielded from consequences and accountability, actually do all the terrible atrocities committed in human history.

    I suppose the future will tell whose opinion is more correct.
     
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    Brangus Administrator Staff Member Benefactor Charter Life Member

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    There have always been bad men in many walks of life to include the military. Yet I choose not to paint the military with such as broad brush as you have chosen to paint law enforcement in your posts. Your choice and I defend your right to do so on here.

    I work very closely with men and women in a number of law enforcement agencies who take their oaths and responsibilities very seriously and it shows in their professional as well as their personal lives. It's those people that I watch performing acts of kindness, benevolence, and community service without expecting one red dime for their sincere efforts. All of this while being paid crap salaries as their life is many times on the line and can end in a moments notice.

    I simply feel that we're living in a time to exercise some discretion in labeling so many people with such a broad brush. Who knows...….tonight may be the night that a phone call would need to be made to one of the LE agencies that could respond and save the live(s) of some of your family members.

    Unless however all of them are so adequately prepared to face anything in life that is thrown at them a call for assistance will not be necessary. I can only imagine here that some would possibly welcome the sight of well-meaning LE officers responding to protect and serve as they have been sworn to do.

    But as you mention...…...the future will tell who opinion is more correct.
     
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    Broad brush much?
     
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    @Brangus and where would you put those VA SP that jumped to form a protection line when the crowd started yelling in anger at their rights being violated?

    The sad truth is that otherwise good people may end up paying the ultimate price because of this sort of BS.

    As @wsfiredude said these are warning shots. Eventually it’s going to get physical if they don’t stop this craziness.
     
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    I do not usually chime in in these threads but I believe a broad brush is the adequate tool for the job. Law enforcement officer were hired to enforce the law right? The law makers ordered the room cleared right? How many law enforcement officers would have disobeyed that order? In my unsubstantiated opinion, none.
     
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    SPM Wobomagonda Life Member

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    Says the guy with a fictional dirty cop for an avatar, standing in a menacing pose as if to execute someone.

    Nice.
     
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    Catfish E Pluribus Mendacium Charter Member

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    So the cops cleared out a crowd for whatever reason. You dont like that and I get it.

    But why are we trying to condemn other cops who did other things in other places and times?

    You want to predict the future? Some will, some won't. And we won't hear much at all about the latter group.
     
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    I have seen no video so I could only ask the following question: Could the protection line have been formed due to the possibility of things about to get physical when the crowd became upset? I wasn't there but acknowledge the fact that sometimes conditions develop which require actions such as protection lines being formed.

    Let me make myself clear...……..I've attended and participated in gatherings, protests, controversial meetings, etc., etc., for those things I held dear as principles I would stand for. I've worked as hard as any single person on this forum to further gun owners rights and to push back on infringements to that Constitutional right. I've written emails, letters, and personally attended functions to address these things so I do get it.

    Let me answer your question this way...…….is there ever a need for a protection line to be formed to protect people from angry crowds? This may or may not have been one of those times depending on how things were going at the moment and if threats were or were not being made. Again, I wasn't there so I don't know exactly how I could answer the question.
     
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    And there in lies the rub. What will be The defining moment? When will it be too much? I know @Brangus, I have no doubt that as we sit here tonight he has in his mind that "line in the sand" that he will not cross. I would pray that there would become a time when all LEs I know would have the ability to be the man @Brangus is. That said, sadly that is not the case in my life's experiences. I fear Virginia will eventually be a horrible outcome.
    What would I do tonight if 20 armed LEs breached my Gate and fences, armed to the teeth and protected by a warrant for confiscation of all my assets? I have plans. Plans that involve others. If time was available I would call my 35 year friend and attorney. We have a plan. Being dead and shown on TV as the reason Why we must be unarmed is not one of them.
    Lord, help us all......7 years...….please, let me be wrong.....
     
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    Virginia's Grayson County Sheriff's Department seem to be pretty pro 2A.

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    Let me pull out my crystal ball. These laws will pass and the 2A sanctuary areas will bow up a bit. But eventually the State will start to threaten withholding funding and then these commissioners and mayors who were all happy to pander to voters will quickly change their tune and these laws will be enforced by “pro-2A” law enforcement. I live in Davidson County and I will bet if the deputy who made the speech that went viral pulled me over with a third hole shorty AR and home made suppressor he wouldn’t hesitate arresting me on the spot. Cops already enforce unconstitutional laws and the only thing that is going to change in that statement is the amount of laws they enforce will increase. I’ve got friends and family in law enforcement, good people outside of work. But at work they do not serve the interest of the people or the constitution. Hitler didn’t kill millions of people, everyday folks who “were just doing their jobs” did.
     
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    @Brangus no doubt they were between a proverbial rock and a hard place. They likely felt themselves between protecting people who a mob may tear limb from limb and at the same time protecting a group that is in violation of what are supposed to be the highest oaths both groups swore to uphold, but are violating.

    interesting times that will try men’s soles.

    We have the advantage of knowing history.
     
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    Are you insinuating that this was illegal? If it was prove it. If it wasn't how does that make their actions tyrannical?
     
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    uh oh...……………………...
     
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    People will accept a great deal of things if one simply frames it in a way that makes them think they had a choice in the matter, or that there is some avenue for them to not lose everything.

    The 86 machine gun ban is a perfect example of that.
     
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    I suspect that the VA Capital PD force has been selected to be the most liberal force that a leftist regime could have. Kinda like any Communist leader would have, to have the most like minded people protecting them. I bet Northam will or has weeded out anyone who doesn't drink the Communist party system Koolaid.

    Most LEO I know are Pro 2nd Amendment in my area.
     
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    People with guns kill people every day, so all gun owners are killers.


    ... sound right?
    Alright, then stop making it seem like they all shoot autistic kids, kill dogs, beat people up etc.

    Im not saying all cops are great, but they arent all bad, either. Same applied to, well, CIVILIZATION.
    You pick out (almost) any sect of the population and thatll come to be true [I mean, maybe if you went 'felon' route you could say no good dudes there, but even then it'd go back to marijuana etc and if that makes someone 'bad/evil' whatever]

    When we make broad generalizations we sound like some folks we dislike.
    I think of the groups that are anti-gun because SOME folks do bad things with them, while the other 99% are law abiding and never harm a soul. It sucks. Lets not fall into the trap


    @DCGallim Ordinary Men, read it? If not, Ill gladly loan it to you - pretty much the guys who were the police in Germany, not fit enough (or too old) for military duty in the late 30s/early 40s (yeah, near the end the big H was pulling ANY boy or man from about 14-60s he could), they were police and committed horrible acts.
     
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    Democrats and RINO republicans have the same advantage and yet, here we are.
     
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    Eventually, sitting on the fence will not be an option. Everyone will be forced to choose on which side they fall.

    At that point, we’ll know exactly where and to whom loyalties lie.
     
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    I'm staying out of the ring on this one because I don't have the time or energy to become knowledgeable on this event (I too often respond before reading), but THAT was a pretty funny, well-timed observation. That being said, with limited knowledge, I dont see this as a validated cop bashing scenario, sounds like the elected officials are not allowing constituents whom elected representatives on the other side of isle from attending...oh, GD im doing it again!
     
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    @SPM
    I am calling you out.
    I am sick of this CRAP

    I get it, you are a badass rebel and libertarian,
    If the whole world just let you be in charge for a while, you would fix everything,
    And you absolutely hate the police, because they are all murderers, and thieves, and you could do so much better

    you forget one thing, especially since you HAVE NEVER, not EVEN ONCE had the sack to man up and walk a beat,
    For every example that you post about some jackass who never should have been a cop in the first place, you never mention the roughly 20,000 +/- positive and non lethal encounters Americans had with cops that day.

    you talk a lot of crap about a job you do not know anything about.
     
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    Indeed. and at the moment, it looks like everyone is siding with paychecks, family, etc. Despite all the bravado, I haven't heard of anyone on here taking up arms. Hell, most who talked about rallying for months didn't even get on a bus because of....well, family, paychecks, blah blah blah--all the 'excuses' are on this forum somewhere in a thread. Police are no different. They have jobs and family. science has no explanation for the threshold between where a teacher, police officer, desk clerk etc are willing to become nazi prison guards vs resistance fighters, but its clear that that imminent threshold is not yet here. Though certainly using the police to remove citizens from challenging legislation at a legislative office does not look good as a compass bearing of the future....
     
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    well said sir, well said
     
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    As far as I can see, our side was being disruptive. If it were any other meeting and repubs were in the majority, the looney left would have been removed. In this case I don't see anything really out of the ordinary.

    If the boogaloo happened for real, there are so many sniper rifles out there in America, that after the first few civilian interventions, no one is going to do anything just for a paycheck.
     
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    And if we’re lucky, it’s one that’ll never have to be crossed.

    Nothing would make me happier than to see a peaceful return to liberty as it was intended and a government that governs instead of attempting to rule.
     
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    also well said sir, very well said
     
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    wsfiredude Can't starve us out; Can't make us run Charter Member Supporting Member

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    IMO, with good reason.

    No one was being disruptive until the votes came in, indicating the majority of a state legislature approved of separating a free people from their birthright.

    The survival of this republic rests on one thing and one thing only...liberty/rights of the individual citizen. It is the bedrock on which we were built...it is what separates us from everyone else and if that foundation ever crumbles, America, as founded, will cease to exist.
     
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    Very well said
     
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    and I would be on the liberals side calling BS. They chose their job. I wish I could just call security to throw my pitch fork wielding team out of my office, but HR generally frowns upon it :) If these idiot politicians (on either side) not only consent to the job, but campaign for it, then not only take it, but deliberately dive head first into hot topics and decide they are going to pay half a city police force over time to rid the noise they knew they were going to cause while they need that money to fund their divisive projects, well.....those Indians or Buddhists or whatever (maybe both?) got it right along time ago with the concept of karma.
     
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    Thanks for your emotional outburst. I'll try and think about how I hurt your feelings before doing it again sometime.

    And please - after 4 deployments for OEF or OIF, I don't have time for your patronizing bullshit about Manning up or having balls. It's the difference between an actual warzone and the made up one that your profession clings to as justification for all sorts of immoral and unjust behavior.

    So call me out, don't call me out, be mad, don't be mad.

    I don't hate cops; I am pro-Liberty and pro-limited government.

    Given the role law enforcement plays in the smothering of the first while standing in stark contrast to the second, I understand why you're confused.

    Good day, Sir.
     
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    Yep.
    That’s what I thought you’d say.
    Hide behind the fact that you deployed.
    Leave out the fact that a soldiers primary function is to kill, and a police officer’s primary function is to preserve life.
    But hey, you deployed 4 times, and you have the requisite YouTube skills to pull up a few grainy videos of alleged police malfeasance.
    Yep, you clearly know everything, except how to pass a psych profile and become a cop.
    Just another Zimmerman who desperately wants everyone else to see the hero that you clearly are in your own mind.
     
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