This.I’m giving this a big hell no. You have duty to inform, but you didn’t give up your 4th amendment rights.
This.I’m giving this a big hell no. You have duty to inform, but you didn’t give up your 4th amendment rights.
While I don't agree with it but yes the cop could claim officer safety and get away with searching your car.What happens if I get pulled over and don’t declare that I have a weapon in the car. The officer runs my DL and notice that I have a CCW, does that give him probable cause to search my car?
No they can’t. Unless you state that you have a gun.While I don't agree with it but yes the cop could claim officer safety and get away with searching your car.
Im inclined to agree with your reasoning. While you have a duty to disclose if you are, you have no such duty if you‘re not and there is no governing statue regarding such situation. Hence, it defaults to the, if not prohibited by statute it remains, oblique.I’m giving this a big hell no. You have duty to inform, but you didn’t give up your 4th amendment rights.
Like the myth about getting a tax stamp and NFA item the ATF could come search your house anytime they want. A couple members hit the nail on the head upstream.What happens if I get pulled over and don’t declare that I have a weapon in the car. The officer runs my DL and notice that I have a CCW, does that give him probable cause to search my car?
I’ve driven through MD a dozen times over the last 5-7 years with zero issues. Hell, I drove through DC and had zero issues.I think the issue here was more specifically if cops in other States get access to the info that you have a CHP. We know in NC they do but say what happens if you drive in Maryland? That's what nobody had a real clear answer on.
@Big Dave if you run an out of state tag, how much driver info do you get?I think the issue here was more specifically if cops in other States get access to the info that you have a CHP. We know in NC they do but say what happens if you drive in Maryland? That's what nobody had a real clear answer on.
I’m giving this a big hell no. You have duty to inform, but you didn’t give up your 4th amendment rights.
While I don't agree with it but yes the cop could claim officer safety and get away with searching your car.
While I don't agree with it but yes the cop could claim officer safety and get away with searching your car.
Regardless, do not consent to a search. If they think they have probable cause, they may search anyway, but do NOT consent. That is my plan. It may lengthen my time on the side of the road, but I will make time to exercise my constitutional rights.
CHPs are NOT connected to a vehicle registration in any state with a CHP process. They ARE connected to the CHP holders drivers license only.@Big Dave if you run an out of state tag, how much driver info do you get?
The topic of this thread is specifically about CHPs being linked to license plates. I don't remember anyone stating that they were NOT worried about other lists. I am sure some are. I've often joked with my friends that I'm sure to be on someone's radar, and they have to wear sunglasses to look at my blip on the screen.It’s funny that one is worried about a permit being linked a DL but not worried about all the other list one is on by owning firearms, ammo, NFA items or by just simply being a member of this forum.
Seems like a bunch of paranoia
This is the very reason I don't believe it should be attached to our Plates. It will cause unreasonable and unnecessary searches behind enemy lines.The topic of this thread is specifically about CHPs being linked to license plates. I don't remember anyone stating that they were NOT worried about other lists. I am sure some are. I've often joked with my friends that I'm sure to be on someone's radar, and they have to wear sunglasses to look at my blip on the screen.
I remember a few years back reading about a guy from Florida being pulled over by a Maryland LEO and was immediately asked "where is the gun". He spent a few hours on the side of the road while they went through his vehicle searching for it. It wasn't in the car, it was left at his home before the trip. I'm not sure we can label this topic as paranoia, maybe more of a topic worthy of discussion.
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Here is the story.
https://www.inquisitr.com/1104930/m...lder-over-an-hour-during-search-for-legal-gun
They are not attached to your plates, (vehicle registration). As I said above they are only attached to the individual CHP holders drivers license.This is the very reason I don't believe it should be attached to our Plates. It will cause unreasonable and unnecessary searches behind enemy lines.
Below is a more detailed article. Filippidis was stopped, the officer approached got his drivers license and registration. Went back to his patrol vehicle and returned 10 minutes later. That is when he asked about the gun.The topic of this thread is specifically about CHPs being linked to license plates. I don't remember anyone stating that they were NOT worried about other lists. I am sure some are. I've often joked with my friends that I'm sure to be on someone's radar, and they have to wear sunglasses to look at my blip on the screen.
I remember a few years back reading about a guy from Florida being pulled over by a Maryland LEO and was immediately asked "where is the gun". He spent a few hours on the side of the road while they went through his vehicle searching for it. It wasn't in the car, it was left at his home before the trip. I'm not sure we can label this topic as paranoia, maybe more of a topic worthy of discussion.
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Here is the story.
https://www.inquisitr.com/1104930/m...lder-over-an-hour-during-search-for-legal-gun
Assuming Maryland LEO have similar access to information, they could theoretically run out of state plates, and then run the registered owners license information if they wanted to figure out if the person had a CHP… even though they can’t be sure that the owner is the person actually driving the vehicleCHPs are NOT connected to a vehicle registration in any state with a CHP process. They ARE connected to the CHP holders drivers license only.
When LEOs run an out of state tag. They ONLY get the vehicle registration information. NO CHP information comes in UNTIL the officer runs the individual’s information. The same as an in state vehicle registration.
You nailed it! I-95 is a well known drug corridor. It is not unusual for officers the find a reason to stop a vehicle in hopes of getting a big drug bust or money seizure.Assuming Maryland LEO have similar access to information, they could theoretically run out of state plates, and then run the registered owners license information if they wanted to figure out if the person had a CHP… even though they can’t be sure that the owner is the person actually driving the vehicle
Sounds like a whole lot of work… I can imagine that there might’ve been one or two officers that “made a big bust” by doing this, but I’d venture that 99.9% of officers are only going to do if they’ve already pulled you over for some other infraction
From my BIL sheriff’s deputy, a CHP is linked to a vehicle’s license plate IF the registered owners have a CHP. So my vehicle is registered in my name and my wife’s. If they run my tags, it will pull up my DL and my wife’s and we both have our CHP. If my wife did not have her CHP and her vehicle was only registered to her and I was driving the vehicle, then it would not pull up that I had my CHP until the officer took my DL and ran it.CHPs are NOT connected to a vehicle registration in any state with a CHP process. They ARE connected to the CHP holders drivers license only.
When LEOs run an out of state tag. They ONLY get the vehicle registration information. NO CHP information comes in UNTIL the officer runs the individual’s information. The same as an in state vehicle registration.
Where he works they may have a policy to run the registered owners license when they run a tag. If that is so, then yes, it will show. But only under your license, not the vehicle registration. If only a vehicle tag/registration is ran. It will only show the information regarding the vehicle.From my BIL sheriff’s deputy, a CHP is linked to a vehicle’s license plate IF the registered owners have a CHP. So my vehicle is registered in my name and my wife’s. If they run my tags, it will pull up my DL and my wife’s and we both have our CHP. If my wife did not have her CHP and her vehicle was only registered to her and I was driving the vehicle, then it would not pull up that I had my CHP until the officer took my DL and ran it.
Maybe I don’t know. It’s all linked and intertwined somehow.Where he works they may have a policy to run the registered owners license when they run a tag. If that is so, then yes, it will show. But only under your license, not the vehicle registration. If only a vehicle tag/registration is ran. It will only show the information regarding the vehicle.
Yeah it’s more information than I want about myself in a gov data base lol. And they make it super easy to find the info.Maybe I don’t know. It’s all linked and intertwined somehow.
Only time it would really matter to me is if I travel through a state that has laws that doesn’t like my CHP.
The crap that cops have to deal with and put up with these days, it’s no wonder they are nervous and jumpy. Just because of the few bad cops, the rest get painted bad also. Plus the biggest reason, there is no respect for authority any more.
From that article:Florida Gun Owner Not Welcome In Maryland - The Truth About Guns
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I'm not familiar with that system itself. Going to do more research. I'm aware and have trained in NY and know their types of intelligence and data analysis. What is described in that article is much different. Sounds as though they are creating their own motor vehicle records division. I know the system they mentioned that are setup at certain access points and automatically scans tags as they go by for connections to criminal activity. But they only check for criminal connections. I believe a system as described in the article that checks for out of state CHP would be a serious violation of our constitutional rights. Just because you have a permit does not give any officer the right to stop you and ask.From that article:
“Maryland has an intelligence hub known as the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center. According to TCH, “the intelligence analysis hub has access to, and contains, Florida’s CCW list (among other identification systems) and mines the state’s database systems for vehicle plate numbers of the holders. These license plate numbers are then stored in a cross referencing database within the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.” But that’s just the beginning. ”
So it sounds to me like Maryland DOES have plates linked to CHPs.
" I smell weed" (captain danny brown, richland county sc SO)You nailed it! I-95 is a well known drug corridor. It is not unusual for officers the find a reason to stop a vehicle in hopes of getting a big drug bust or money seizure.
He pulled a guy Friday night, two big bags of weed in the car, Ruger 5.7 in glove box, no gun charge but it was confiscated and he was arrested for the weed." I smell weed" (captain danny brown, richland county sc SO)
My wife was running an errand one night. The light turned yellow. She sped up to make it. A cop saw her and pulled her over. Pleasant exchange, no ticket. But the officer asked her if she had any weapons in the car. Wife didn't and answered accordingly. Officer told her she knew she was a CCW holder and wanted to make sure.
Based on that, I'm 100% they know when we are pulled over. But I have no back end knowledge of what information cops see when they run a plate.
If they can find it, so can the hacker in Uzbekistan.Yeah it’s more information than I want about myself in a gov data base lol. And they make it super easy to find the info.
They’re called snow birds.I have no stats to back it up but I dare say it is north of 200K cars from Florida, pass through Maryland every year.
Opinions on this situation. You and your wife are tooling down the highway and are pulled over. The vehicle is registered in your wife's name only, which she is operating. Officer is dealing with wife about why she was pulled over, no conversation with you. She does not have a CHP. Do you have the duty to inform the officer that you have a CHP and you are carrying since business is between your wife and officer?
I have a millisecond of alarm/alert when I'm told (although in fairness I don't do many vehicle stops at all anymore) but then logic kicks in and I remember that I carried a gun before I was in LE and will after I'm out of LE, and as stated, anybody who jumps through the hoops of getting the CHP is not planning on any criminal activity for the most part, and I'm okay with it. In some cases (if I felt the "mood" of the moment allowed it) I've said stuff to lighten the atmosphere like "Good-everyone should be!" or even ask what they're carrying if it's not a tense moment. I told a guy once that told me he had a Taurus 9mm "Well...maybe you can trade up soon and do better". He took it well too.
CHP holders are almost never an issue for us, but maybe it's our outlook in the South (?) I can't recall ever arresting or charging a CHP holder for a gun related issue...the few I know of in my area were all involving alcohol consumption while carrying.
What happens if I get pulled over and don’t declare that I have a weapon in the car. The officer runs my DL and notice that I have a CCW, does that give him probable cause to search my car?
While I don't agree with it but yes the cop could claim officer safety and get away with searching your car.
I heard that the reason they do it is because people still call it a CCW instead of CHP. They said as soon as people call it the correct name, they’ll stop tagging your tag. But until then, how can they trust people if they don’t even call it the right name?
Very interesting. While I have not read every state’s laws on the subject. Indiana’s law is way overly complicated. But like I tell people all the time. Just because you have a permit in your state and are familiar with the laws in your state. Every time you leave your state check the laws in each state you will be staying and passing through.Concealed Carry Trivia:
I was born and raised in Indiana. I left for the Navy in the mid-80s and eventually ended up a SC resident lo these many years since. But I still have family and friends there and thus travel to and from Indiana on occasion.
Indiana does have reciprocity with SC (every state, actually). BUT...they have a quirk in the verbiage of their laws about it.
Indiana is not a must inform state. SC, however, is.
Indiana does not have the force of law behind no guns signs. SC does, under specific rules.
Indiana laws about concealed carry in hospitals is not the same as for SC, which is outright prohibited.
So, in many ways Indiana laws on concealed carry are less restrictive than for SC. HOWEVER...Indiana by statute says that I am ALSO subject to the restrictions of my out of state (SC) concealed carry permit.
In the context of must inform, this means that I'm ALSO obligated to inform LEO under the same conditions applicable to SC, even though Indiana says you only have to inform an officer when the LEO specifically asks you.
If businesses are posted no guns that meet SC requirements, then they DO apply to me.