Well, we’ll see how long backorder takes. Just ordered a FDE large HC model with black Thyrm switchback. Glad I waited for my discount. My total out the door for both was &190.
Cloud Defensive Rein vs Modlite PLH-V2
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I've been watching some videos showing different candela and lumen lights in different situations. Not a lot of great ones out there that I found, so if anyone has a good recommendation please let me know.
But based on what I did see, as much as I like the HC head, it would seem that the EDC head on the MCH would be enough for most of the uses I would probably have.
Also, wasn't there talk about a free upgrade for the Rein to the HC head? What happened to that.
But based on what I did see, as much as I like the HC head, it would seem that the EDC head on the MCH would be enough for most of the uses I would probably have.
Also, wasn't there talk about a free upgrade for the Rein to the HC head? What happened to that.
I don’t recall ever hearing the upgrade to the new Rein head was free. That’d be great but I doubt it would happen.
Nope. The only aspect of updating the Rein 1.0 head to the 2.0 head that was every indicated to be FREE was a tailcap upgrade if you happened to have an older version with the single coil. That tailcap type can't handle the 2.0 head and will cause a catastrophic malfunction: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Cloud Defensive or Modlite handhelds are your two best choices for high canadela units. Surefire makes a quality light, but hasn't gotten into the high candela EDC arena yet. The closest they have is their E2D Defender Ultra at 1k lumens.
Now if you have the funds you can step up to this bad boy which is technically a handheld:
UDR Dominator | Rechargeable Ultra-High Multi-Output LED Flashlight | SureFire
The heavy-duty SureFire UDR Dominator® tactical flashlight is a virtual lightsaber. Built in the USA, its advanced LED produces a maximum output of 2,400 lumens, pushing 200,000 candela to a distance of more than 900 meters.
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lol, I did see that on their website, along with the Crew Served WeaponLights. Thanks for the clarification on what exactly was free. The tailcap makes more sense!Nope. The only aspect of updating the Rein 1.0 head to the 2.0 head that was every indicated to be FREE was a tailcap upgrade if you happened to have an older version with the single coil. That tailcap type can't handle the 2.0 head and will cause a catastrophic malfunction: 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Cloud Defensive or Modlite handhelds are your two best choices for high canadela units. Surefire makes a quality light, but hasn't gotten into the high candela EDC arena yet. The closest they have is their E2D Defender Ultra at 1k lumens.
Now if you have the funds you can step up to this bad boy which is technically a handheld:
UDR Dominator | Rechargeable Ultra-High Multi-Output LED Flashlight | SureFire
The heavy-duty SureFire UDR Dominator® tactical flashlight is a virtual lightsaber. Built in the USA, its advanced LED produces a maximum output of 2,400 lumens, pushing 200,000 candela to a distance of more than 900 meters.
These Nitecore videos have been educational and hilarious too.
So the CD FB group has been having some interesting posts about shipping, order#, fulfillment, ect. It's looking like even if you got your MCH order placed within the first 10 minutes you are most likely backoreded even though everything showed in stock. 
For reference, I am assuming the order#'s are chronological: mine is 963XY where XY is less than 50, I'm seeing order #'s posted in the low 953XYrage that are backordered. @Derek8404 was your order number higher than 985XY on the 5th? That is the highest order # I recall seeing posted. This is going to take them months to clear the bckorders, but hey they just got a nice $500k to $1million cash infusion.....nothing like crowd funding your business.
I've been here before and it was 6 weeks of "it will ship next week" BS from CD. I'm not going to do this again and support sketchy business practices. Looks like I need to order a Modlite OKW handheld tomorrow. I think I'm going to be happier with the Modlite OKW based on photos posted comparing OKW with Rein 2.0, which is the same as the MCH HC single output head.
To me it looks like both the Modlite heads are better than the Rein 2.0
For reference, I am assuming the order#'s are chronological: mine is 963XY where XY is less than 50, I'm seeing order #'s posted in the low 953XYrage that are backordered. @Derek8404 was your order number higher than 985XY on the 5th? That is the highest order # I recall seeing posted. This is going to take them months to clear the bckorders, but hey they just got a nice $500k to $1million cash infusion.....nothing like crowd funding your business. I've been here before and it was 6 weeks of "it will ship next week" BS from CD. I'm not going to do this again and support sketchy business practices. Looks like I need to order a Modlite OKW handheld tomorrow. I think I'm going to be happier with the Modlite OKW based on photos posted comparing OKW with Rein 2.0, which is the same as the MCH HC single output head.
To me it looks like both the Modlite heads are better than the Rein 2.0
Just checked and mine is 1002XY, so looks like I have awhile….hindsight I probably should have waited a few months for the craze to slow down like it did with the Rein and OWL.So the CD FB group has been having some interesting posts about shipping, order#, fulfillment, ect. It's looking like even if you got your MCH order placed within the first 10 minutes you are most likely backoreded even though everything showed in stock.
I've been here before and it was 6 weeks of "it will ship next week" BS from CD. I'm not going to do this again and support sketchy business practices. Looks like I need to order a Modlite OKW handheld tomorrow. I think I'm going to be happier with the Modlite OKW based on photos posted comparing OKW with Rein 2.0, which is the same as the MCH HC single output head.
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I am kind of kicking myself for not going with the OKW, but the new Rein looks pretty good in those comparisons. I’ll prob end up ordering a PL350 with a OKW head because I’ve got the itch for a new pistol light.
Mine was a low 97 order and shipped on Saturday…showing to be delivered tomorrow. I only ordered a Rein2.0 though and not one of the handhelds. Are those causing all the back orderes?So the CD FB group has been having some interesting posts about shipping, order#, fulfillment, ect. It's looking like even if you got your MCH order placed within the first 10 minutes you are most likely backoreded even though everything showed in stock.
I've been here before and it was 6 weeks of "it will ship next week" BS from CD. I'm not going to do this again and support sketchy business practices. Looks like I need to order a Modlite OKW handheld tomorrow. I think I'm going to be happier with the Modlite OKW based on photos posted comparing OKW with Rein 2.0, which is the same as the MCH HC single output head.
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Wow, I knew they had sold some lights on Friday and Saturday but your order# is 4k above mine and I am probably 1.5k-2k behind the very first orders. Some fuzzy speculative math yields 5.5k x $300 (average order) = $1.65 million in sales while they only had ~2k of each light for "launch" which is roughly $1 million in product. That extra $650k is a nice bonus to collect!
The major thing that convinced me to finally pull the trigger on the Modlite OKW is how much clearer the objects in the hotspot are at distance compared to the Rein 2.0's more diffuse look in the pics. I think Modlite might have a slightly better LED source or higher QC requirements than CD.
Definitely get the Modlite pistol lite because although CD will likely launch their's in 2022, if it was in your hands before 2023 I'd be impressed.
Originally I had planned on ordering a Modlite OKW handheld during their Black Friday event in 2021. However, CD had teased their own handheld with a $100 less price point and a potential Dec 2021/Jan2022 launch by then, so I waited.
Yes, all versions of the MCH sold out within 20-30 minutes. Certain versions of the Rein 2.0 were still listed "In Stock" for several hours. There were only 2k MCH units for launch while that product had the highest number of possible SKU's with technically four head types, two body sizes, and four colors. That's 2k units divided 12 ways!? Them launching the Rein 2.0 concurrently also cannibalized 2k of the High Candela single output heads from being made into those types of MCH's.
I have two Rein 1.0 and they are great lights! You should really be happy with the Rein 2.0.
I received my Modlite handheld with OKW head today. The light is very well built overall. My initial impressions of the OKW beam pattern is I'm impressed and intrigued thus far. I see a lot of people poo-poo it as a "one trick pony" and I can see why they make that statement. Howeve, I will say it does that one trick better than any other of it's peers. What it does do so very well is throw a very tightly concentrated beam of light downrange, it is a true spotlight only head where others range from mostly flood (Surefire) up through a combo of flood & spot (CD Rein and ML PLHv2). What's impressive it how brightly illuminate the hotspot is BUT it's only 680 lumens. That 69k Candela does the job.
@Derek8404 I would be a bit hesitant to go OKW on a pistol light because that may be a little too focused. I'll try to get some photos tomorrow night at the range.
No update from CD on my order, but the company owner did post an apology of sorts in the CD FB group for the FUBAR launch:
@Derek8404 I would be a bit hesitant to go OKW on a pistol light because that may be a little too focused. I'll try to get some photos tomorrow night at the range.
No update from CD on my order, but the company owner did post an apology of sorts in the CD FB group for the FUBAR launch:
That’s actually the reason I want it though. The purpose for this light is to go on my FN509 that accompanies me to the desert. So I want a real tight beam that can punch real far.
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Ok that makes more sense now. With that intended purpose OKW is indeed the way to go then.
I'm order # 952xx and nothing, doesn't seem like the orders are chronological at all. Pretty frustrating the way it's been handled. If they'd advertised it as a pre-order, no one would be upset. But the banner advertised 2000 in stock, so it seemed fair to assume we were ordering something that would ship right away.
I generally like their products (although why the hell they won't get on board with the industry standard Surefire plug is beyond me), but they've got a bad history of taking folks money for months and months before shipping products. I guess we should have known better, fool me once...
I generally like their products (although why the hell they won't get on board with the industry standard Surefire plug is beyond me), but they've got a bad history of taking folks money for months and months before shipping products. I guess we should have known better, fool me once...
You are 100% correct. The live inventory banner was VERY misleading because that was 2k MCH lights split unevenly between 24 SKU's. Originally the MCH was only supposed to have two battery sizes, four color options and only two heads styles, but for some reason they added the dual HC and dual EDC heads to the mix. Plus the Rein 2.0 uses the same HC single output head as the MCH so they cannibalized stock there too. They expected to sell 4k+ MCH lights at launch, probably sold 6k+ and barely had 2k on hand to ship.
They fooled me for the first time back in Jan 2021 on a 2-3 week backorder that took 8 weeks to fulfill. Once I realized my MCH order was not shipping and backordered I sent a polite email on Wed Match 9th. It only took 8 days for their CS team to acknowledge my polite email request (demand) that they cancel my order, which they did that day. However six days later the charge is still on my cc. They will be getting a charge dispute tomorrow.
As best as I can ascertain the reason why they are shipping out of sequence for order #'s is:
1. They are Assembling/QC'ing/packing & shipping lights in batches by SKU and there are like 24 SKU's for the MCH.
2. FIFO was not used in fulfilling orders during the first 48-72 hours, Their website servers lagged/timed out about 7 minutes into the launch. From this they appear to have had some data recovery/access issues from their end and just skipped over fulfilling those orders.
You may not follow Clouds owner on Instagram, but he posted up an "apology" of sorts about the entire fiasco being his fault. Most people bought the crocodile tears act. It's pretty easy to say "I'm sorry" when you just took $1.5-$2 million in "orders" and collected all those funds already but won't be shipping those items for 1-2 months. They have done this before with the Rein FDE model launch. It's essentially crowd funding in my book, and at best is a very poor and at worst an extremely desperate and shady business practice. At this point I have zero confidence in Cloud's future product launches and will not participate. Loving my Modlite OKW handheld and Surefire is about to launch their Turbo lineup this month too!!
An Official Journal Of The NRA | New for 2022: SureFire New Turbo Series Handheld Lights and Weaponlights
Thanks to end-user feedback, SureFire has improved upon its Turbo series of handheld lights and weaponlights, offering improved performance with the same craftmanship and durability consumers have come to expect from the brand.
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You are 100% correct. The live inventory banner was VERY misleading because that was 2k MCH lights split unevenly between 24 SKU's. Originally the MCH was only supposed to have two battery sizes, four color options and only two heads styles, but for some reason they added the dual HC and dual EDC heads to the mix. Plus the Rein 2.0 uses the same HC single output head as the MCH so they cannibalized stock there too. They expected to sell 4k+ MCH lights at launch, probably sold 6k+ and barely had 2k on hand to ship.
They fooled me for the first time back in Jan 2021 on a 2-3 week backorder that took 8 weeks to fulfill. Once I realized my MCH order was not shipping and backordered I sent a polite email on Wed Match 9th. It only took 8 days for their CS team to acknowledge my polite email request (demand) that they cancel my order, which they did that day. However six days later the charge is still on my cc. They will be getting a charge dispute tomorrow.
As best as I can ascertain the reason why they are shipping out of sequence for order #'s is:
1. They are Assembling/QC'ing/packing & shipping lights in batches by SKU and there are like 24 SKU's for the MCH.
2. FIFO was not used in fulfilling orders during the first 48-72 hours, Their website servers lagged/timed out about 7 minutes into the launch. From this they appear to have had some data recovery/access issues from their end and just skipped over fulfilling those orders.
You may not follow Clouds owner on Instagram, but he posted up an "apology" of sorts about the entire fiasco being his fault. Most people bought the crocodile tears act. It's pretty easy to say "I'm sorry" when you just took $1.5-$2 million in "orders" and collected all those funds already but won't be shipping those items for 1-2 months. They have done this before with the Rein FDE model launch. It's essentially crowd funding in my book, and at best is a very poor and at worst an extremely desperate and shady business practice. At this point I have zero confidence in Cloud's future product launches and will not participate. Loving my Modlite OKW handheld and Surefire is about to launch their Turbo lineup this month too!!
An Official Journal Of The NRA | New for 2022: SureFire New Turbo Series Handheld Lights and Weaponlights
Thanks to end-user feedback, SureFire has improved upon its Turbo series of handheld lights and weaponlights, offering improved performance with the same craftmanship and durability consumers have come to expect from the brand.www.shootingillustrated.com
Yeah, it'd be a lot easier to believe their owner was sincere if this wasn't the pattern every time they release a new product. I really like CD, and have gotten a little sick of Modlite playing drama queen on social media, so was excited to pitch a few bucks to CD but this is definitely leaving me with a sour taste.
I may issue a charge back as well, I believe it costs the company a good bit, which is why I usually try to avoid it, but with them advertising it as in stock when it's really back ordered, I'll lose 0 sleep over it.
So last week Big Tex Armory had some MCH's in stock with the single output HC head. My impulse buy instinct got the better of me and now I have one. So far it isn't doing anything more for me than the Modlite with OKW head. I need to do some more testing first but the MCH may be getting re-homed. Stay tuned.
So despite CD's questionable business practices and inability to properly manage customers expectations for a product launch, thus far I cannot fault them on the design of the MCH except for two things. With one issue that may or may not be a critical issue long term.
Aesthetically the MCH is much simpler than the Modlite handheld with no machining on the body, thus it can be a slippery little bugger without a Thyrm Switchback on it! Comparing the LED size to the Modlite OKW head the MCH HC head is ~1/3 larger which results in a slighter larger hotspot. Beam pattern wise the OKW is almost all spot with very little flood/spill whereas the MCH HC has a good hotspot and nice amount of flood/spill. From ~50yds out to ~125yds they are both very similar and highly usable. Inside of 50yds the OKW is a bit too focused while the MCH HC has a similar sized hotspot, but a lot more flood/spill that illuminates the area. Beyond 125yds the MCH's hotspot starts enlarging to the point where it's effectiveness begins tapering off while the OKW is just hitting it's full potential. The OKW's limit in my experience around 200yds without optics.
The one potentially critical issue the MCH has it that the head gets HOT, VERY FAST!! In 10s it's noticeably warm, 20S it's hot, and in 30s it's muy caliante! Several people have asked about this in the FB group but CD has been very tight lipped with several of their fanbois chiming in that it's a 'feature" not a defect. Time will tell, and I'm glad they have a Lifetime warranty because it may come into play sooner than later.
I really did not want to be impressed by the MCH HC, but I originally went down this handheld light rabbit hole specifically looking for a quality high candella handheld light since my EDC pistol does not have a WML. For that purpose the MCH HC IMO edges out the Modlike OKW inside of 50yds with it's additional flood/spill. I also prefer the color temperature of the MCH. The warmer temp makes colors appear more natural and closer to what they would under Sunlight.
Lastly, the MCH HC single output head is the same head that ships with the Rein 2.0 and it is backwards compatible with Rein 1.0 bodies, just make sure you have a nested spring tailcap (newer version from mid 2021) or bad things will happen. Comparing the Rein 1.0 beam to the 2.0, they have very similar sized hotspots and flood/spill, but the 2.0 / MCH HC head is noticeably brighter.
Aesthetically the MCH is much simpler than the Modlite handheld with no machining on the body, thus it can be a slippery little bugger without a Thyrm Switchback on it! Comparing the LED size to the Modlite OKW head the MCH HC head is ~1/3 larger which results in a slighter larger hotspot. Beam pattern wise the OKW is almost all spot with very little flood/spill whereas the MCH HC has a good hotspot and nice amount of flood/spill. From ~50yds out to ~125yds they are both very similar and highly usable. Inside of 50yds the OKW is a bit too focused while the MCH HC has a similar sized hotspot, but a lot more flood/spill that illuminates the area. Beyond 125yds the MCH's hotspot starts enlarging to the point where it's effectiveness begins tapering off while the OKW is just hitting it's full potential. The OKW's limit in my experience around 200yds without optics.
The one potentially critical issue the MCH has it that the head gets HOT, VERY FAST!! In 10s it's noticeably warm, 20S it's hot, and in 30s it's muy caliante! Several people have asked about this in the FB group but CD has been very tight lipped with several of their fanbois chiming in that it's a 'feature" not a defect. Time will tell, and I'm glad they have a Lifetime warranty because it may come into play sooner than later.
I really did not want to be impressed by the MCH HC, but I originally went down this handheld light rabbit hole specifically looking for a quality high candella handheld light since my EDC pistol does not have a WML. For that purpose the MCH HC IMO edges out the Modlike OKW inside of 50yds with it's additional flood/spill. I also prefer the color temperature of the MCH. The warmer temp makes colors appear more natural and closer to what they would under Sunlight.
Lastly, the MCH HC single output head is the same head that ships with the Rein 2.0 and it is backwards compatible with Rein 1.0 bodies, just make sure you have a nested spring tailcap (newer version from mid 2021) or bad things will happen. Comparing the Rein 1.0 beam to the 2.0, they have very similar sized hotspots and flood/spill, but the 2.0 / MCH HC head is noticeably brighter.
Just got a tracking notification that my order is shipping. So just under a month after I ordered. Not too bad I guess, but the way they operate their business still annoys me. I may have had a few beers and blasted them on IG the other day and the owner relied. Wonder if it’s just pure coincidence that I got my tracking number this soon after that or if he expedited my order to shut me up🧐🧐
I'm glad yours is shipping! Interestingly you're not the first person to notice that their order suddenly shipped quickly after they blasted the company on social media.
If you would like to share your IG handiwork with the rest of us, I know I'd find it amusing.
I'm glad yours is shipping! Interestingly you're not the first person to notice that their order suddenly shipped quickly after they blasted the company on social media.
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I canceled my order due to some of this nonsense. Instead I am going to just get something from Arisaka down the road in Apex. Modlite head, etc, should be about as good. As far as color goes a very good friend of mine does cerakote, so that'll be simple enough.
Oh I lover your style, direct no BS. You gave him both barrels point blank and absolutely hit a nerve based on his response. You never attacked any of his people, but he acted as if you did and tried to spin it like a victim. Then his IG simp showed up to defend him just like they do in the FB Cloud group. I almost want to add my 2 cents to his response, but my Mama always said you can't fix stupid so me chiming in isn't going to change anything he does going forward.
If I ever buy another CD product it will be through a vendor and not CD directly, which is what I'd recommend @Studentofthegun you possibly look into doing. Big Tex Ordnance appears to be the best one to deal with currently. I'm certainly enjoying my Modlite as much as my CD MCH, and you won't go wrong there either IMO. Just FYI Modlite does not charge NC sale theft while Arisaka does because they are in NC.
and what is that blacked out section at the bottom? Something about getting their **** together? lol
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Yeah I don't know about all that "they kill themselves for you" stuff.
They are employees working for a wage. Perhaps overtime or whatever depending upon demand. But they aren't doing it for me. At least I hope not. I hope they are working for themselves and their families.
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From what I've seen between them and Modlite, they're like the microbrewery hipsters of the flashlight world. The product is damn good, but they need to show some better character and stop trying to flex their 15" ceps on IG. At this point in the game, it's my opinion they're trying to cling to every bit of profit they can rather than invest in their business for future growth. This is typically the point you either see a company expand (for better or worse) or tank.
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Agreed. I would probably go modlite over Cloud, if it weren’t for the substantial Mil discount they do but I may be about to the point where I don’t even care about the money and stop buying Cloud stuff on principle alone. Them dicking up every single product launch is getting pretty old…they really need to take a look at how modlite does things. You don’t hear a whole lot from them, but when they have a new product, they’ll make IG post about it but the difference is, they’ll actually have it in stock and they dont hype it up for months on end, only to wildly underestimate the demand and have their site crash only to “backorder” (crowd fund) everyone’s orders.
But, damnit…their products are REALLY good. so I may just keep buying them and incessantly bitching about it.
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Saw this quick review pre-view on the Rein 2.0. Hopefully they will have a more in depth one soon. This guy seems to do some good light reviews though.
I thought an update after 7 months of owning both the CD MCH and Modlite OKW handhelds may be beneficial to some. I just received the Modlite PLHv2 head since my OKW head is going onto my .300BLK bolt gun. The PLHv2 head is much more of an apples to apples comparision with the MCH high candela single output head than the OKW is. There is a definate color temperature difference between Clouds and Modlites LED's (warmer vs colder) and I'm not sure if that is factoring into comparing them but to my eyes the Modlite PLHv2 head is brighter and clearer than the MCH HC head, which for reference is the same head that they use on the Rein 2.0 At this point I would say that the CD MCH is an ok handheld light for the $200 price point, better deal at $150ish honestly. However, the Modlites with either head are well worth the upgrade expense in my experience. As I'm writing this the Surefire Turbo are STILL announced but unrealeased. Speculation is very late Dec 2022 or most likely a release to coincide with SHOT 2023.
Barely 9 months after launching the Rein 2.0 alongside the MCH, thus cannibalizing potential launch inventory for its highly anticipated handheld light; CD is now ready to release the Rein 3.0
I have my popcorn ready and the CD FB group has been entertaining thus far!! 100k candela is quite impressive. For reference I think the Modlite OKW head is possibly the highest candela head currently on the market at 69k.
The Surefire Turbo series handheld and WML are still TBD, but the pistol lights have been out a few months to VERY positive reviews. Looks like several vendors already have SKU's for the WML and its listed as 71k candela
www.shootingillustrated.com
- 100,000 Candela peak beam intensity (With 18650)
- 1250 Lumens output (With 18650)
- 95 minutes run-time (With 18650)
- Dual-Fuel capability. REIN 3.0 runs on 18650 and now, can also run on two CR123 batteries. 18650 rechargeable battery provides the best output, by far. However, you can now use 2 CR123 batteries if needed. You will see reduced output with CR123 batteries.
- 1.3” Bezel diameter – smaller than the original REIN in diameter.
- 6.17” Long – a very compact full-size light.
I have my popcorn ready and the CD FB group has been entertaining thus far!! 100k candela is quite impressive. For reference I think the Modlite OKW head is possibly the highest candela head currently on the market at 69k.
The Surefire Turbo series handheld and WML are still TBD, but the pistol lights have been out a few months to VERY positive reviews. Looks like several vendors already have SKU's for the WML and its listed as 71k candela
SUREFIRE M640DFT TURBO SCOUT LIGHT PRO | Brownells
SureFire’s Scout Light Pro series rewrote the rules of long-gun Weapon Light versatility. The M640DFT combines the best attributes of the M640 ...
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An Official Journal Of The NRA | New for 2022: SureFire New Turbo Series Handheld Lights and Weaponlights
Thanks to end-user feedback, SureFire has improved upon its Turbo series of handheld lights and weaponlights, offering improved performance with the same craftmanship and durability consumers have come to expect from the brand.
I’ve been following that announcement as well, and while I do have to admit that those numbers are very impressive, I think I’m so annoyed with Cloud Defensive that I’m gonna pass for now.
Those guys are absolutely trash cans at running a business. They discontinued the OWL, now they release a new version the same year as the last release, and say that it’s a “supplement” not a replacement….but, you can’t buy the 2.0 right now, because it’s all out of stock and they said they’re not going to be making any more any time soon so they can focus on the 3.0…..
The launch is at 1000 on 14Dec. And I’m willing to bet that by1001 their site will be crashed as per usual. I think for now, I’ll be getting a SF turbo and maybe a OKW if I decide I need another rifle light and i’ll give Cloud Defensive a couple years to either go out of business, or pull their heads out of their ass and get it figured out.
Those guys are absolutely trash cans at running a business. They discontinued the OWL, now they release a new version the same year as the last release, and say that it’s a “supplement” not a replacement….but, you can’t buy the 2.0 right now, because it’s all out of stock and they said they’re not going to be making any more any time soon so they can focus on the 3.0…..
The launch is at 1000 on 14Dec. And I’m willing to bet that by1001 their site will be crashed as per usual. I think for now, I’ll be getting a SF turbo and maybe a OKW if I decide I need another rifle light and i’ll give Cloud Defensive a couple years to either go out of business, or pull their heads out of their ass and get it figured out.
This is insane. I'm curious to see what the output with cr123 is. Modlite has a cr123 head with respectable output.
Absolutely. And I don't know why they would discontinue the owl either.
I think they would have an easier time keeping up with demand if they took the modlite approach andj ust made heads, screw the accessories use surefire crap.
Probably because they are trying to grow too fast. They clearly can’t keep up with the demand. There are insane for not doing the pistol light. They teased that over a year ago and still haven’t delivered.
Wow, so they are 45min into the launch and they are still in stock and the site hasn’t crashed. Color me shocked, looks like cloud may have actually learned something from their past cluster effs….
That is a distinct possibility and I hope they did. However, compared to the MCH & Rein 2.0 launch they barely brought the hype train out of the station this time, maybe 2 weeks. Last time it was several months worth of build up after a delayed launch and a LOT of demand for the MCH. I don't think the Rein 3.0 has that much interest/demand yet Now if this was their highly anticipated pistol light launch, the servers were still up and they still had inventory, then that would be very impressive.
Agreed, I think the fact that they’re just offering black and FDE kits right now was as good call on their part. The MCH and 2.0 using the same heads with multiple colors and variants of each was just too much for them to handle.