Ok a question on that thought. Why do the they need it to be smaller. If it is a safety issue then I understand. If not it boils down to a whizzing contest.
Complaints about big US flag at Gander/Camping World
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Ok a question on that thought. Why do the they need it to be smaller. If it is a safety issue then I understand. If not it boils down to a whizzing contest.
That is what everything with city government comes down too.
until city planners could study the issue, (copied/paste from an article)
what issue? Who's feelings it hurts? glad that all other problems are fixed and this is what is now left on the table
https://patch.com/north-carolina/mooresville/battle-over-giant-american-flag-heats-iredell-county
Camping World began installing the oversized flags in 2014, and Statesville city leaders have been split on the issue in the past. In late 2017, the city council was deadlocked, before the mayor cast the deciding vote to adhere to existing regulations until city planners could study the issue, Statesville Record & Landmark reported.
what issue? Who's feelings it hurts? glad that all other problems are fixed and this is what is now left on the table
https://patch.com/north-carolina/mooresville/battle-over-giant-american-flag-heats-iredell-county
Camping World began installing the oversized flags in 2014, and Statesville city leaders have been split on the issue in the past. In late 2017, the city council was deadlocked, before the mayor cast the deciding vote to adhere to existing regulations until city planners could study the issue, Statesville Record & Landmark reported.
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That is a very true statement.
now its national news.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-files-lawsuit-rv-company-american-flag
https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-carolina-files-lawsuit-rv-company-american-flag
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I understand that part, but I'm sure Zoning was pressured by the city council or city officials. They also have much better things to do. Look around there are plenty of things for them to stress on.
I'm sure it's a single person that started this whole thing.
May be take some money from the Zoning department since they don't have enough to do and put it in the PD's fund.
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Well, just for the sake of argument, I think that's debateable. You can say what you want to say, but you have to go stand in a corner and keep your voice down.
I just don't think either party is "right". One side is using the flag as advertising the other side is acting like a pissed off parent that has no leverage on their kid.
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If you read enough of the history behind the pledge it kind of makes you wonder what its true purpose is. Ever wonder why so many people worship the state and its power over all else?
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I have gotten my second response from a council member. Here are both responses.
I've met John a couple time he is a good man.
The CEO's motives are to advertise and call attention to the locations with the larger than life flag. And if he gets fines and lots of stories he gets attention to his stores. He's no damn patriot much like those guys who put bible verses on business cards to entice you to believe all their business dealings are of christian sponsorship. I'm all for freedom and flags but he's a crock of poo. Has been, always will be.
I agree with you that he’s a bag of poo..
He gave us the run around to that store and the other in Garner when he wanted to buy our Motorhome. Wasted time and gas.
Ended up in Ohio on another Rv dealer deal.
But I digress...
I love the flag and would like to see more of them. The bigger the better. And just as I think some people should not own guns because they are stupid. Bags of poo should be be able to fly any flag size they wish.
$11,000 in fines to make your head turn to see who’s flying a massive flag is waaaaay cheaper than drive time radio or TV advertising.
Little story for you:
So in downtown little Conover, NC the town built a new town hall across from a guy who owned a paint business. His building was old and weathered. They wanted him to spruce it up being it was in front of their new castle. So he painted each side and section purple, pink, and green (lime green maybe). Not good enough for the harassing town government. So they confronted the business owner again. This time he painted the entire building into a massive American flag. Bright and shiny for them to look onto each day. So now it would be anti American to harass this man.
Years go by with the entire building the flag. Last year they paid a ransom amount to buy him out and they immediately demolished the building and planted grass. The moral of the story? Don’t f..k with a man about his paint scheme when you want improvements. Especially when he is more intelligent than the government employees.
Little story for you:
So in downtown little Conover, NC the town built a new town hall across from a guy who owned a paint business. His building was old and weathered. They wanted him to spruce it up being it was in front of their new castle. So he painted each side and section purple, pink, and green (lime green maybe). Not good enough for the harassing town government. So they confronted the business owner again. This time he painted the entire building into a massive American flag. Bright and shiny for them to look onto each day. So now it would be anti American to harass this man.
Years go by with the entire building the flag. Last year they paid a ransom amount to buy him out and they immediately demolished the building and planted grass. The moral of the story? Don’t f..k with a man about his paint scheme when you want improvements. Especially when he is more intelligent than the government employees.
Do you know the guy personally?
- Serial entrepreneur Marcus Lemonis had some choice words on Wednesday about those who may support President Donald Trump's response to the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
- Trump's statements led to a wave of CEO resignations from his advisory councils and on Wednesday, Trump abruptly dissolved the councils.
[Editor's note: Marcus Lemonis later wrote an apology, asking for forgiveness for his comments. Read it here.]
Serial entrepreneur Marcus Lemonis had some choice words on Wednesday about those who may support President Donald Trump's response to the violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
"There's no doubt that there is probably not many consumers in this country today that are in favor of what has been said in the last couple days and if they are, quite frankly, don't shop at my business," said Lemonis, who is CEO of Camping World and host of CNBC's "The Profit."
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It’s even more hilarious when you consider our country exists >at all< because men refused to follow the rule of law. We are Americans...it’s kinda our thing.
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So, if your neighbor way out in the country wants to turn his land into a landfill with a 20 story incinerator belching smoke and stench your way, you'd have no problem with it?
I can’t hold that against him by itself because he simply believed the Fine People hoax like half the nation. He *SHOULD* be pissed off if he believed that BS. But now I know he’s gullible...
If you feel the need to infringe upon the very Freedom it represents just to display it, how sacred is it really as a symbol?
The Flag Code also demands flags that are worn, tattered, and damaged not only be not on display, but destroyed in a dignified manner.
So are we ready to burn the Star Spangled Banner from Fort McHenry? The various ensigns that survived Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, Bastogne, or Iwo that are, by any measure worn, tattered, and damaged....yet are proudly on display.
I get it. One thing my neighborhood goes all out on for Memorial Day, the Fourth, Veterans Day, etc is decorating the neighborhood with flags. Hundreds and hundreds of flags line the streets, driveways, and decorate mailboxes and front doors.
They do the decorating well. What they don't always do well is keeping the flags off the ground when they fall over, or stopping to remove them when they hit them, and I suspect most of those little flags end up in the trash rather than being destroyed in a dignified manner.
I do what I can, and for a couple weeks my drive in and out of the neighborhood consists of constant stops replacing or righting flags. I also take to the neighborhood Facebook page informing folks what the flag code says, where various drop off points are in town for unserviceable flags, and offer to pick up and properly dispose of flags if people are unwilling to do it themselves.
Do you get angry at the Thin Blue Line flags? According to the US Flag Code, every one of those is an absolute defacement of the flag.
I would argue that reverence for the symbol, while important, ranks less than reverence for the object which the symbol is purported to represent: Liberty and the Rights of Man.
Ultimately, I see the city ordinance as nothing more than a means to extract yet more money from the population. It serves no real purpose other than a revenuing scheme. Regardless of whether or not the Camping World people are doing this for noble reasons or not, the bad guys here are the city policy enforcers trying to charge a company for exercising a Right protected by the First Amendment, within the bounds of their own Property.
Statesville ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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I guarantee if you talk to any of the planners and it's not a complaint issue... it's a consistency issue. They get really weird about that sort of thing-
Thats all you got?
Not a really good flex here bud. You can sue neighbors under Private Nuisance laws which cover things like foul odors, noxious gases, smoke, dust, loud noises, excessive light. This is a private matter between two citizens using good old fashioned tort law. It isn't a company attempting to gain publicity by whining about a fine that is probably less than its monthly receipt paper cost.
He did, and decided to focus on the failings of our past as opposed to seeing the countries true history. Men overcoming themselves to the betterment of their nation and the world. I am sure in 10-20-100 years we will look the failings of today with similar "can you believe we used to do THAT" sort of attitude.
I would argue that without the first third, it is highly unlikely that women, black folks, or gays would enjoy even a sliver of the equal Rights they enjoy today - despite our failing to fully live up the the ideals upon which the Republic was founded.
In fact, I would argue without Thomas Jefferson, that guy from Virginia that was so terrible because he was white and owned slaves, none of the improvements you argue happened in spite of would have occurred.
Why?
Because Thomas Jefferson wrote the 55 most consequential words of American history - words that have been a direct cause of every expansion of Rights in these United States and across the Western world (and even some parts of the East) and remains a potent rebuke against rising tyranny regardless of the culture that produces it.
The founders recognized chattel slavery was incompatible with the principles which the Revolution proclaimed..... which is one reason they struck from Jefferson's first draft the charges that George III was culpable for slavery and the slave trade (though Jefferson may have still made is point by not including the word "Property" among certain inalienable Rights).
When Lincoln spoke at Gettysburg, he spoke of a proposition that founded the Republic - Jefferson wrote it.
When women gathered at Seneca Falls to demand the Right to vote, who did they quote? Jefferson and the Declaration of 13 colonies of "evil white men."
When Martin Luther King spoke at the Lincoln Memorial and spoke of a promissary note, that note was scribbled down by Jefferson and unanimously passed by those evil white men.
The words of our founding were part of the original Constitution of Vietnam proposed by a guy named Ho Chi Minh (wrap your head around that one) and were chanted in Tianammen Square as Chinese tanks ran over people demanding their Rights be respected.
The first 1/3rd of this country's history is absolutely Indispensable in creating the world you judge to be so much better, without which this world you laud would simply not exist.
The fact that you are so emotionally critical of history without a shred of understanding of the impacts that history has brought about is almost a stereotypical symbol for 21st century America.
I will not deny we have never fully lived up to our ideals; who has?
I haven't.
You haven't.
None of us have.
But they give us something to strive for, to chase, to take us towards the horizon of realizing that which we proclaim.
Unreal.
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Codes limit size of signs. Codes beautify buildings by requiring walls hide mechanical equipment. Codes address distance from the street. Size of the flag is no different. It’s a distraction while driving that can cause wrecks. This is why some signs abilities to add technology is limited, as well as height.
You want that monster in front of your house on the neighbors land blocking the sun? Of course not. Jeez.
You want that monster in front of your house on the neighbors land blocking the sun? Of course not. Jeez.
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Because it’s easy to challenge a denial of a variance in the future if they’re inconsistent now.
So I have to suffer, because some people can't glance at a sign and not wreck?
It's akin to gun control, some people shoot others and I have to suffer regulations....
This sign is along a highway.
And it's shadow prolly never comes off the property.
If my neighbor wants to put up that huge flag - HELL YES, BRING IT ON!
First of all, I dont care if my house is in the shade, might help the power bill a little in this summer heat
First of all, I dont care if my house is in the shade, might help the power bill a little in this summer heat