Denver Patriot killed by Anitia Press Security

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/one-person-killed-protests-denver

Patriot in pushing match with BLM protester, steps away then killed in slapping incident 3 secs later with supposed 9NEWS security. You don't shoot someone because you got slapped. Seems like another Portland ambush.
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Both back up. Security pulls gun it appears first.
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Instant Lee is killed, slide is in recoil and cartridge case can be seen ejecting.
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Antifa Space Invader tatoo
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Supposed Pinkerton Security. It is being discovered that Matthew Dolloff was a leftist Democrat. So far I have yet to see any threat to the press. Lee (victim) had just step away from another BLM protester before he was shot and killed. Seems DPD is charging him with Murder 1 and no bail.


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if political affiliations were switched i can see people saying the shooting was justified...

pepper spray could incapacitate and he could take his gun...

actually that is exactly what is being said on twitter by people that seem to be left leaning.

the world is a rorschach test
 
rdinatal said:
I can see why the murder charge. No continued physical contact, against a non lethal weapon, no "security" indicated (that I can see).

I'm confused about the BLM shirt...
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First word ends with an S, Im not sure what it can be but it's not 'black'
 
Combat Diver said:
Antifa Space Invader tatoo
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Are ANTIFA members getting space invaders tats? And the image below the pic of the tattoo dont match up (yes, same symbol from the game, but clearly it doesnt say 'space invaders against racism' on his wrist
 
The “might have taken his gun” argument has some merit in situations like an attack on a police officer, it doesn’t make sense in a moderate altercation with a civilian that happens to be carrying.

Tried to find the video, but couldn’t get it to play. The time stamps on the pictures seem to be out of sequence, but I don’t know what that means, if anything.
 
JimB said:
The “might have taken his gun” argument has some merit in situations like an attack on a police officer, it doesn’t make sense in a moderate altercation with a civilian that happens to be carrying.
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This transition over the last decade or two to where cops are considered other than civilians is the core of the militarization of police. We’ve (as a society) grown far too accustomed to the idea and acceptance of govt. sitting in lordship over the people and cops being it’s force arm. What’s even more disturbing is how in many cases the cops have chosen to side with the communists. Sooner or later this former nation is going to look like Sarajevo.
 
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His grip, red dot sight, light, threaded barrel, the enemy seems to be trained.
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Apparently a veteran and works security for Pinkerton.

rdinatal said:
I can see why the murder charge. No continued physical contact, against a non lethal weapon, no "security" indicated (that I can see).

I'm confused about the BLM shirt...
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Bikers Lives Matter

JimB said:
The “might have taken his gun” argument has some merit in situations like an attack on a police officer, it doesn’t make sense in a moderate altercation with a civilian that happens to be carrying.

Tried to find the video, but couldn’t get it to play. The time stamps on the pictures seem to be out of sequence, but I don’t know what that means, if anything.
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Look at the fence post with the red line from where the altercation started. Lee backed up several steps, Matt only one step during the draw. Look at the sandbag and count back. Both were withdrawing when Matt shot. Haven't seen any threat to either Matt or Press (guy with cell phone) from Lee in any released photos or video yet. Lee and a BLM protester were having a argument just secs prior and neither Matt nor Press guy were involved and about 15' away. Lee disengaged from BLM protester, slapping incident happened and Lee answered with what was in his hands (bear spray) as he responded to Matt's pistol being presented.

If LE can pepper spray protesters, does that give protesters right to shoot officers?

Anitifa has used various logos under the space invader logo.


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I'm reserving prompt judgment on this one because the news has already been all over the place (as usual). I'll need to watch video and see some events leading up to the event.
There are plenty of justifiable reasons for pulling a gun to stop a fight. If they were both backing up and then the guy let loose the bear spray, it is fairly reasonable to think he could be re-escalating things and trying to disable you to get your weapon.

One thing for sure, self defense law is NOT simple in this sort of situation and I'm doing my best to avoid everybody all the time.

Combat Diver said:
If LE can pepper spray protesters, does that give protesters right to shoot officers?
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I think, legally, yes, but you better be REAL sure you're in the right and multiple 3rd parties are recording from every angle.
 
Im withholding judgement for more data.

First impression? You hit me then square up and reach for something hidden ima choot you if I can. In this case it was pepper spray but... still need more info to be sure.
 
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11B CIB said:
Remember the guy who snatched the police AR from the protest-rioter who got it out of the damaged cop car?

He was providing press security at the time
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My search indicates that you are correct. It is disturbing that Seattle Police abandoned cars with ARs in them, and in this case fortunate that this security guy hired by a local TV station was able to retrieve and disable not one, but two of them.


DrScaryGuy said:
I'm reserving prompt judgment on this one because the news has already been all over the place (as usual). I'll need to watch video and see some events leading up to the event.
There are plenty of justifiable reasons for pulling a gun to stop a fight. If they were both backing up and then the guy let loose the bear spray, it is fairly reasonable to think he could be re-escalating things and trying to disable you to get your weapon.

One thing for sure, self defense law is NOT simple in this sort of situation and I'm doing my best to avoid everybody all the time. ...
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Indeed. Undercover/disguised-to-blend security acting on behalf of MSM adds a new wrinkle. All things considered at this point I'm going to GUESS this was a ND, and that Pinkerton just lost millions of dollars, both from the coming lawsuit and from lost business moving forward.
 
Catfish said:
Im withholding judgement for more data.

First impression? You hit me then square up and reach for something hidden ima choot you if I can. In this case it was pepper spray but... still need more info to be sure.
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Shooter had concealed handgun carried apendix. Lee had bear spray in right hand all the time.

Aardvark said:
My search indicates that you are correct. It is disturbing that Seattle Police abandoned cars with ARs in them, and in this case fortunate that this security guy hired by a local TV station was able to retrieve and disable not one, but two of them.


Indeed. Undercover/disguised-to-blend security acting on behalf of MSM adds a new wrinkle. All things considered at this point I'm going to GUESS this was a ND, and that Pinkerton just lost millions of dollars, both from the coming lawsuit and from lost business moving forward.
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Trained shooter, deliberate shot. After the shoot he scans, finds LE approaching, backs up to fence, sets handgun down and surrenders. Not a HiPoint pistol
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Combat Diver said:
Shooter had concealed handgun or already in right hand. Lee had bear spray in right hand all the time.


Trained shooter, deliberate shot. After the shoot he scans, finds LE approaching, backs up to fence, sets handgun down and surrenders. Not a HiPoint pistol
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Trained shooter sure, but they're not immune from a ND under stress. Do you think he deliberately shot someone for deploying bear spray ?
 
Killing someone for using bear spray seems indefensible.


Bear spray was already deployed at the time of the shooting. Going to be hard to say "I saw him going for his bear spray, therefore I killed him".

Trained or not, only cops get a pass on the "I thought he was going for a gun" defense. Especially when there's a cloud of pepper spray in the air prior to the shot.
 
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Matthew Dolloff (shooter) is apparently a big time leftist activist, into Occupy Wall St, Occupy Denver, extreme leftist social media content, lots of anti-Trump, big Bernie supporter, Cenk Uygur (Young Turks) fan. This passes a Pinkerton background check ? I guess MSM will cover this up. Doesn't fit the narrative.
 
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Another thing to consider. If pepper/bear sprayed, why pull gun and kill someone when there is a police line close behind you? Took LE 10 seconds to get there. Been seen that Dolloff initiated the grab for the bear spray. That 's being the aggressor and Lee was retreating till Dolloff pulled his gun. That's when Lee used his only defense available in time.


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Combat Diver said:
Another thing to consider. If pepper/bear sprayed, why pull gun and kill someone when there is a police line only 20 FEET behind you?
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That's why I guessed he didn't really intend to shoot, especially in "his professional capacity"... Now I'm questioning whether he was actually in the employ of a news crew. It may be on his resume, but not at this event. I think he was there as a hothead activist.
 
Shooter was not presented with a deadly threat, or a clear reason to fear for his life. He did get clocked and sprayed. Might have deserved both. Still, it's tough to see anything that warrants the use of deadly force. The burden of such discernment is on the one who considers whether to shoot. It didn't take him long to decide. One slap, one spray. Bang! while spray is still traveling through the air toward the shooter.

He was hired to protect the press, but his client was never physically threatened. Mebbe the dead guy said he would kill the reporter, told the shooter to get out of the way, then slapped him and sprayed him... who knows?
 
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