Deputy assigned to Florida school 'never went in' during shooting
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Please. Selfish cowards are never haunted by their in/action, only by the tangible repercussions and what it cost them personally.
Hopefully he'll go suck start his service weapon.
Unrelated but his salary was $75,000.00 and last year $101,000.00 with overtime. Wow, nobody around hear is making that kind of money except the head sheriff and Florida is not one of the highly expensive places to live.
Please.......these guys will break into another person’s home in the darkest of night, shoot and kill otherwise nonviolent people, or incinerate your child’s face with pyrotechnics over possession of a plant (or no plant if they got the wrong house) and then blame the victim(s) for getting maimed or killed.
This is the worst excuse for the excesses of State violence, because the job requires obedience against conscience every day (or one would hope - if one has no pang over the injustice of immoral laws that are on the book in this country, they are evil men).
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Two other Deputies were suspended or being run through IA due to those other calls possibly being mishandled so it's being "looked into" but again as noted it's all after the fact. People are dead.
And expected to trust them. This is proof that you are better off providing your own protection.
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It's not uncommon for officers to pull in 10-15K in overtime and off-duty money. They work all weekend then show up Monday morning to the high school exhausted and overworked, add in a cocktail of a lot of School Resource Officers being retired on the job, looking for steady hours and the selection process for SRO's is geared toward communication and soft skill sets. Most SRO's are adept at counseling, mediation and navigating the parents, teachers and administration. However put a tactical incident on them and they are LOST.
The tactically minded SRO's are limited to carrying only their handguns and wearing soft body armor to appear more friendly and approachable. Though certainly willing and capable of entering a school shooting scenario they are not being provided the best tools available to protect our kids.
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The SRO also had previous contact and warnings about the shooter:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/d...were-other-failures-too/ar-BBJtrNW?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/d...were-other-failures-too/ar-BBJtrNW?li=BBnb7Kz
I wonder if an argument could be made that by creating a gun free zone, the state created a "special relationship" thereby having an affirmative duty to protect, which the deputy appears to have violated?????
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/489/189.html
(a) A State's failure to protect an individual against private violence generally does not constitute a violation of the Due Process Clause, because the Clause imposes no duty on the State to provide members of the general public with adequate protective services. The Clause is phrased as a limitation on the State's power to act, not as a guarantee of certain minimal levels of safety and security; while it forbids the State itself to deprive individuals of life, liberty, and property without due process of law, its language cannot fairly be read to impose an affirmative obligation on the State to ensure that those interests do not come to harm through other means. Pp. 194-197.
(b) There is no merit to petitioner's contention that the State's knowledge of his danger and expressions of willingness to protect him against that danger established a "special relationship" giving rise to an affirmative constitutional duty to protect. While certain "special relationships" created or assumed by the State with respect to particular individuals may give rise to an affirmative duty, enforceable through the Due Process [489 U.S. 189, 190] Clause, to provide adequate protection, see Estelle v. Gamble, 429 U.S. 97 ; Youngberg v. Romeo, 457 U.S. 307 , the affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitations which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf, through imprisonment, institutionalization, or other similar restraint of personal liberty. No such duty existed here, for the harms petitioner suffered occurred not while the State was holding him in its custody, but while he was in the custody of his natural father, who was in no sense a state actor. While the State may have been aware of the dangers that he faced, it played no part in their creation, nor did it do anything to render him more vulnerable to them. Under these circumstances, the Due Process Clause did not impose upon the State an affirmative duty to provide petitioner with adequate protection. Pp. 197-201.
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I am beyond pizzed over this. Sure there is deflection , but when he was needed he did nothing productive to stop it. The coach that was killed went in UNARMED knowing there was an armed gunman while Barney stood outside picking his nose.
I am not saying other failures should not be looked into but Barney could have made a difference and did nothing. I can say without question if it was my job to protect those students I would have rather my family know I died a hero than lived a coward.
I am not saying other failures should not be looked into but Barney could have made a difference and did nothing. I can say without question if it was my job to protect those students I would have rather my family know I died a hero than lived a coward.
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An example of why they're not the (sole) answer to school shooter situations. Clearly they should be part of the solution, but they're obviously not THE solution.
I look back at my childhood days and remember several WWII veterans being teachers. Those fellows were certainly different than the other teachers but the message came quick to any student that thought they were badass. The acts they committed back then would have them in jail today but there was order and no fear of gun play. The reason the teachers were not jailed is because parents of that time would back their actions. Thanks to the civil rights act of 64 all that changed, today the children rule the roost and mommy will sue the hell out of any teacher that even mentions the need of disciplining their cretin.
To be a SRO today is a person that on average is more concerned about kissing ass and staying below the radar in any incident. Too many officers are fired on the stop for actions of the physical nature so the mindset of a SRO is that of a pacifist. To expect a SRO to snap at a moment's notice into a fearless SWAT commando is bit of a stretch but the officer in this case certainly dropped the ball with his actions. One would think a SRO's first thoughts upon entering duty of a school is to study the building and find the best spots to fire his weapon and take down a shooter. From my visits to the newer schools the long hallways give the advantage to the rifle shooter and very few places to take cover so if me I would toss a smoke grenade and have a go. At least with the smoke the video recorders would not see me soiling my pants!
To be a SRO today is a person that on average is more concerned about kissing ass and staying below the radar in any incident. Too many officers are fired on the stop for actions of the physical nature so the mindset of a SRO is that of a pacifist. To expect a SRO to snap at a moment's notice into a fearless SWAT commando is bit of a stretch but the officer in this case certainly dropped the ball with his actions. One would think a SRO's first thoughts upon entering duty of a school is to study the building and find the best spots to fire his weapon and take down a shooter. From my visits to the newer schools the long hallways give the advantage to the rifle shooter and very few places to take cover so if me I would toss a smoke grenade and have a go. At least with the smoke the video recorders would not see me soiling my pants!
No, what they said, in so many words, was that the police have no duty to any individual citizen. They're duty lies with society as a whole.
In other words, they're not responsible for being "body guards" to individual citizens, but they ARE responsible for safeguarding society as a whole.
This fruitcake, however, failed society in that he did nothing to protect the school and the children in it.
He's under investigation. His resignation/retirement doesn't change that.
I suspect he's gonna pay a hefty price before they're done with him.
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Another piece of crap who wants all the power and none of the responsibility.
And that's who we are supposed to trust to keep us and our families safe? Hell no.
And that's who we are supposed to trust to keep us and our families safe? Hell no.
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I don't understand why so many in the media / social media are treating armed teachers like substitute cops? From the first time I thought of the idea I only considered them a "last line of defense."
Like in Newtown didn't over 20 kindergarteners die in one room alone? And their teacher was found in a position like she was trying to shield them? Are you trying to tell me she wouldn't have shot Adam Lanza dead protecting those kids?
She probably wouldn't have saved them all, but what if it was 8 dead instead of 20+? You know what those lefty animals would do in such a situation? "Look! 8 dead kids! Armed teachers are ineffective."
Meanwhile that damn SRO waited even LONGER than the Florida guy (6 minutes versus 4). I have had this discussion with liberal friends before and they usually relent with something like "yeah well that sounds okay, in your case, but how do you know what you would do under pressure?"
Uhhhh, I know myself pretty well and I'm no Superman, but I swear to God I wouldn't let some madman kill 20 six-year olds on my watch.
Like in Newtown didn't over 20 kindergarteners die in one room alone? And their teacher was found in a position like she was trying to shield them? Are you trying to tell me she wouldn't have shot Adam Lanza dead protecting those kids?
She probably wouldn't have saved them all, but what if it was 8 dead instead of 20+? You know what those lefty animals would do in such a situation? "Look! 8 dead kids! Armed teachers are ineffective."
Meanwhile that damn SRO waited even LONGER than the Florida guy (6 minutes versus 4). I have had this discussion with liberal friends before and they usually relent with something like "yeah well that sounds okay, in your case, but how do you know what you would do under pressure?"
Uhhhh, I know myself pretty well and I'm no Superman, but I swear to God I wouldn't let some madman kill 20 six-year olds on my watch.
DeShaney vs Winnebago County Department of Social Services
Warren vs DC
It's not so much about danger, they have no specific duty to protect individual citizens. From Warren,
"[t]he duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists".
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Not likely, if the sounds of the rifle firing ringing in his ears wasn't enough to move him to action. He probably isn't going to worry about it later.
I would rather have the means to act and fail to have the ability, than have the ability to act and not have the means. I'm not asking for a victory, I'm asking for a chance to even the odds.
The price won't be hefty enough for the families of these murdered children, and it will be more than padded for this govt official. He needs to be locked up in general pop will all the other crooks he put away - if there are any.
SRO should have went in, while outrifled, he could have reported intel and waited to take him out at the right moment if he had a chance.
$$$$ county.
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If there were justice to be had, this man would be given over to the families of the fallen to determine his fate.
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Unfortunately the ones I've seen on TV so far would still blame the gun.
What a piece of crap. Not to pile to much on public employees, oh WTF, yes to pile on them. HIs quotes remind fo 2 other famous public sector situations. The first being the Obama Administration coming out with the phony stat about 'jobs saved' when they were trying to justify their horrible economic policies. The second being a school budget debate where a school official was asked exactly how much money do you need to solve these problems. The answer was more. It is always more, more, more. Sure there are great public employees, but there is a good % that are just milking the system for all its worth. The public be damned.
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Maybe he will eat his gun! I really hope the tax payer is not paying to protect that yellow POS cop.
You spend day after day on the job, and the one time you are really needed......you fail miserably and cost children their lives, The epitome of a complete failure.
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Agreed! If I was outside my daughters school and started hearing gunfire I would be scared as hell. My biggest fear would be that my daughter was somewhere inside that school. My best chance to protect her and make sure she survives is for me to find and confront the shooter. I am no hero and no matter what would happen I would still not be one but how the hell could I wait outside that school knowing the person I love the most is inside with some crazy shooter.
Course we aren't allowed to have our guns on school property so that may cause a problem...
Regardless, he ought to be made to stand up in front of them and account for his actions...or lack thereof.
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Depends on the state.