Detective sues Sig Sauer after she says her holstered P320 handgun nearly killed her

mig1nc said:
In her purse. I'd bet money Sig's analysis is correct. Something in her purse worked into the trigger guard.


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Look at the duty holster in the video. Seems unlikely. If something got into the trigger guard it would have still been stuck in there after it went off.
 
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mig1nc said:
In her purse. I'd bet money Sig's analysis is correct. Something in her purse worked into the trigger guard.


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Even if that's the case, which I don't believe it is, it still doesn't explain the other incidents. This is not new for P320's. Although, I'm sure many will chime in about how they've never had a problem with theirs.
Unfortunately, it appears she is using a Sherpa design holster, which has unrelated issues. But, that would also imply the gun was locked in the holster, preventing incidental intrusion of objects by movement.


Wasn't there something about frame flex and the fact the design uses an actively loaded (under spring pressure) firing pin? IIRC, dropping the gun would flex the frame and disengage the sear. And now they're a finding that lateral pressure or torque might do the same? If the firing pin weren't pre-loaded, it wouldn't discharge.

I've dropped Glocks without concern that they will discharge. Firing pins are locked and not pre-loaded.
 
Holstered semiauto, purse, and keys on top. “Purse swings out”. Muzzle evidently pointed at her in her purse. Bang.

Methinks if ever there was a case for not carrying this way, this would be it. Unless it’s a wheel gun.
 
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Wasn’t the p320 recalled, or maybe Sig just offered a free upgrade, to address an alleged self discharge problem?

That Sig investigated and found themselves not at fault seems not entirely objective, but yeah it’s not hard to imagine the bad stuff that happens in the bottom of a woman’s purse.
 
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JimB said:
Wasn’t the p320 recalled, or maybe Sig just offered a free upgrade, to address an alleged self discharge problem?

That Sig investigated and found themselves not at fault seems not entirely objective, but yeah it’s not hard to imagine the bad stuff that happens in the bottom of a woman’s purse.
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I think the Sig recall was drop related, although a swinging purse might escalate/accelerate/decelerate to that level of inertia.
 
I watched the video. Her duty holster looks like a Serpa. Serpas have their own bad rep but that's generally a training/where's my finger when I'm reholstering issue.

If it were a light bearing holster I could see something getting down in there to pull that trigger. Holstered in a Serpa in her purse I don't see how it's possible.


There are other incidents out there of holstered p320s going off. One of which was caught on body cam and happened when the officer was exiting his vehicle.
 
JimB said:
Wasn’t the p320 recalled, or maybe Sig just offered a free upgrade, to address an alleged self discharge problem?

That Sig investigated and found themselves not at fault seems not entirely objective, but yeah it’s not hard to imagine the bad stuff that happens in the bottom of a woman’s purse.
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Not recalled. But a voluntary upgrade. And there are incidents reported/alleged with the new and improved versions as well.
 
The initial issue was the trigger was too heavy and carried inertia sufficient to release the sear and discharge the firearm if dropped. The fix was a lighter weight trigger. The new complaints stem from the pistols firing while still holstered. It seems the small amount of contact surface for the sear can be overcome when the frame of the P320 is torqued. This latest complaint has me seriously puzzled.
 
This hasn't been the only time Sig's P gun has fired while holstered, more than once it's been on video.
I don't trust, and won't own a gun with that firing group design.

Is there another gun on the market with a track record of firing without the trigger being pulled?

Doesn't the p365 have the same design firing group?
 
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Get Off My Lawn said:
This hasn't been the only time Sig's P gun has fired while holstered, more than once it's been on video.
I don't trust, and won't own a gun with that firing group design.

Is there another gun on the market with a track record of firing without the trigger being pulled?

Doesn't the p365 have the same design firing group?
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As a holster maker.... I have a P320 blue gun. I won't make any more P320 holsters. I can't afford to get caught up in a negligence case caused by the gun.
 
If you do a search there are a number of lawsuits out there against SIG for the P320 , seems like a lot of coincidences ?

Hard to say if it's a real problem? Can it be replicated? Is it QC on a small number of firearms? I don't know?

It is definitely a problem that Some Lawyer's are in the business to sue over nearly anything.
 
Question. If I ever owned a P320 it would have a GreyGuns trigger. Does that trigger operate the same way as the stock P320 fire control group?
 
fieldgrade said:
Holstered semiauto, purse, and keys on top. “Purse swings out”. Muzzle evidently pointed at her in her purse. Bang.

Methinks if ever there was a case for not carrying this way, this would be it. Unless it’s a wheel gun.
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When a woman is more concerned about fashion than safety. Happens a lot.
 
fieldgrade said:
Question. If I ever owned a P320 it would have a GreyGuns trigger. Does that trigger operate the same way as the stock P320 fire control group?
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Yup it operates the exact same way. You also have to remember that when the issue of the P320 not being drop safe first came to light Bruce Gray swore on the Sig Forum that he had broken down several examples of the P320 when it was being developed and after it was released and that there was no way it would fire when dropped and he declared it drop safe. About 3 months later Sig changed the design for the M17 and then issued the voluntary upgrade. Crickets from Bruce Gray.
 
I am reminded of what the sainted LTC Cooper said, of the (then, new) S&W 1006, as the models with straight backstraps got recalled. Seems if you dropped it JUST so on a sidewalk, or equally hard substance, it COULD fire if loaded.

Cooper said: "Don't go around dropping $750 (a lotta money in the late '80's/early '90's) pistols on the deck!"

I DIDN'T, and mine NEVER misfired! ;)
 
RR said:
I watched the video. Her duty holster looks like a Serpa. Serpas have their own bad rep but that's generally a training/where's my finger when I'm reholstering issue.

If it were a light bearing holster I could see something getting down in there to pull that trigger. Holstered in a Serpa in her purse I don't see how it's possible.


There are other incidents out there of holstered p320s going off. One of which was caught on body cam and happened when the officer was exiting his vehicle.
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fishgutzy said:
When a woman is more concerned about fashion than safety. Happens a lot.
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This is the holster. The gun was still in the holster after the discharge. Like I said upstream if something got stuck in that trigger area inside that holster that caused the discharge it would have still been stuck in the holster after it went off.

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wvsig said:
This is the holster. The gun was still in the holster after the discharge. Like I said upstream if something got stuck in that trigger area inside that holster that caused the discharge it would have still been stuck in the holster after it went off.

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Am I the only person who noticed the magazine in the (likely loaded) firearm this woman pulled from her purse (while keeping it holstered) to show the reporter and cameraman? I mean, seriously, showing a loaded firearm around like that? If she's so comfortable around guns and truly has good training, she'd have excused herself to go unload it, come back with it unloaded it, shown it as clear to all in the room, THEN holstered it to demonstrate her point.

Amateur. Her casual firearm handling captured in this video, alone, can help SIG's assertion of negligence, IMHO.
 
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surrealone said:
Am I the only person who noticed the magazine in the (likely loaded) firearm this woman pulled from her purse (while keeping it holstered) to show the reporter and cameraman? I mean, seriously, showing a loaded firearm around like that? If she's so comfortable around guns and truly has good training, she'd have excused herself to go unload it, come back with it unloaded it, shown it as clear to all in the room, THEN holstered it to demonstrate her point.

Amateur. Her casual firearm handling captured in this video, alone, can help SIG's assertion of negligence, IMHO.
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She states multiple times in the video the gun is unloaded. Triple checked... You think she is lying on camera? Have you never put an empty mag in a pistol?
 
chris69 said:
At least she didn’t get shot by a Taurus. Imagine how embarrassing it would be to have to publicly admit you carried one.
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wvsig said:
She states multiple times in the video the gun is unloaded. Triple checked... You think she is lying on camera? Have you never put an empty mag in a pistol?
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I absolutely have never done this :D
 
wvsig said:
She states multiple times in the video the gun is unloaded. Triple checked... You think she is lying on camera? Have you never put an empty mag in a pistol?
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Professional firearm handling protocol still entails SHOWING it as clear to all in the room so that THEY can confirm the pistol is unloaded. Was that done? Nope.

She's supposedly a professional -- but she behaved like an amateur when it came to that particular protocol.
 
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Get Off My Lawn said:
This hasn't been the only time Sig's P gun has fired while holstered, more than once it's been on video.
I don't trust, and won't own a gun with that firing group design.

Is there another gun on the market with a track record of firing without the trigger being pulled?

Doesn't the p365 have the same design firing group?
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I know the nambu 94 is pretty infamous for that

jump to about 1:50 for the good stuff
 
amnesia said:
I absolutely have never done this :D
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I have a few BHPs which still have a mag disconnect in them. They get me every time I clean them or swipe them down. I have to grab an empty mag insert it to drop the hammer. PITA.
 
surrealone said:
Professional firearm handling protocol still entails SHOWING it as clear to all in the room so that THEY can confirm the pistol is unloaded. Was that done? Nope.

She's supposedly a professional -- but she behaved like an amateur when it came to that particular protocol.
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I agree with this but that is not what you stated above. She states the weapon is clear. I would have asked her to show me before proceeding. I do not think it will have any bearing on her lawsuit.
 
wvsig said:
This is the holster. The gun was still in the holster after the discharge. Like I said upstream if something got stuck in that trigger area inside that holster that caused the discharge it would have still been stuck in the holster after it went off.

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The holster pulled the trigger. Haven't there been a lot of ND's with that type of retention holster with different types of pistols?
 
fishgutzy said:
The holster pulled the trigger. Haven't there been a lot of ND's with that type of retention holster with different types of pistols?
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Yes but it’s on the draw where the person puts their finger on the trigger thinking they’re on the holster retention release and pushes.
 
wvsig said:
Yes but it’s on the draw where the person puts their finger on the trigger thinking they’re on the holster retention release and pushes.
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correction. the let their finger slide to the trigger AFTER they hit the release.
which is insane to me because the release is in line with the frame, the retention mechanism is in line with the trigger. it's impossible to screw up during the draw. the mistake has to be made by bad technique after the draw.
it's not the holster's fault other than not being idiot proof.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
there's a reason nobody else is saying what you perceive as obvious...
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Cause they don’t wanna look like the huge dick he made himself look like?
 
RR said:
I watched the video. Her duty holster looks like a Serpa. Serpas have their own bad rep but that's generally a training/where's my finger when I'm reholstering issue.

If it were a light bearing holster I could see something getting down in there to pull that trigger. Holstered in a Serpa in her purse I don't see how it's possible.


There are other incidents out there of holstered p320s going off. One of which was caught on body cam and happened when the officer was exiting his vehicle.
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Serpa + p320 =

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