Gun rights victory at NC General Assembly - Mar 15

Rebel1776 said:
S.B 41 was over-riden by the senate and now goes to the house. As I predicted the first thing that got brought up was Nashville it might be the event that breaks Democratic support for the over-ride in the house.
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Almost as if it was planned that way
 
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Radar said:
Almost as if it was planned that way
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These type of events happen every time Congress is debating more gun control. It can no longer be viewed as mere coincidence.
This latest nut job, we are to believe, had the clarity to scope out the security at multiple schools and choose her alma mater, in the end due to it having the weakest security. We are to believe this has nothing to with that ANTI (FBI asset controlled) advertised a Day of Vengeance and did not train people up, then wind them up with hate rhetoric, and send them out.
4 mass shoots with mentally ill people who "identified" as something other than their sex.
 
kcult said:
In one of the seven active threads on this topic, I saw where the PPP part of it was effective immediately.
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So this means my 20 year old son can walk into a gun store with a driver's license and buy himself a pistol?
 
Reading Clerk??????.............damn that was ponderous....Congratulations to you ALL for getting this passed!!!!
 
DogFather said:
So this means my 20 year old son can walk into a gun store with a driver's license and buy himself a pistol?
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No. He still needs to be 21 to purchase from a gun store (FFL).

He just doesn't need a PPP to buy from his buddy, or neighbor, or any other NC citizen.
 
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kcult said:
No. He still needs to be 21 to purchase from a gun store.

He just doesn't need a PPP to buy from his buddy, or neighbor, or any other NC citizen.
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he didn't need a PPP before, but many used it as a way to verify the person was legally able to purchase/possess a handgun. NC law only says that in private sales a person cannot sell to a person who they KNOW cannot purchase/possess it.
 
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Just put out by Alamance County Sheriff -

“EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, any person seeking to purchase or transfer a handgun in North Carolina is no longer required to apply to the sheriff for a pistol purchase permit,” it said. “All pistol purchase permitting laws in North Carolina have been eliminated by the enactment of Senate Bill 41, Guarantee 2nd Amend Freedom and Protections.”

Memo: “Any person seeking to purchase a handgun through a firearms dealer will undergo the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) criminal background check required under current law and either be sold the handgun or denied sale if a criminal history search indicates the person is disqualified from possessing a firearm. For private transfers of handguns, while no National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) criminal background check is required under current law prior to making a private transfer, criminal penalties still apply to any person that knowingly transfers a handgun to a person who may not lawfully possess the firearm.”
 
Freedom777 said:
he didn't need a PPP before, but many used it as a way to verify the person was legally able to purchase a handgun. NC law only says that in private sales a person cannot sell to a person who they KNOW cannot purchase/possess it.
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You're saying the law they just repealed didn't apply to someone buying a pistol from a private party?
 
I wonder if you actually really could go buy a handgun right now in NC with only a NICS check? FFL's and LGS's are somewhat shell shocked by uptick in ATF inspections and they are under no mandate to sell you anything if they dont want to.
 
kcult said:
You're saying the law they just repealed didn't apply to someone buying a pistol from a private party?
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It had a couple things in it, but as far as the PPP, it did away with the Pistol Permit process all together. Read the Alamance County statement above. He clearly says that CURRENT law for private sales is still the same in NC. No permit required. This BILL did not change the no requirement needed in private sales of a handgun IN NC. The current NC law states the person cannot KNOWINGLY sell to someone who they KNOW cannot possess it.
 
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jimmyjames8 said:
I wonder if you actually really could go buy a handgun right now in NC with only a NICS check?
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You can even buy one without a NICS check! Private sale.

FFLs can do what they want, but they'd be pretty stupid to turn away business by requiring a permit that was repealed and which isn't even being issued anymore by the sheriffs.
 
Freedom777 said:
he didn't need a PPP before, but many used it as a way to verify the person was legally able to purchase/possess a handgun. NC law only says that in private sales a person cannot sell to a person who they KNOW cannot purchase/possess it.
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Buyer had to have a PPP or CHP to legally buy a handgun. Regardless of buying from an FFL or not.
 
Freedom777 said:
It had a couple things in it, but as far as the PPP, it did away with the Pistol Permit process all together. Read the Alamance County statement above. He clearly says that CURRENT law for private sales is still the same in NC. No permit required. There never has been a requirement in private sales of a handgun IN NC except the person cannot KNOWINGLY sell to someone who they KNOW cannot possess it.
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@DogFather mentioned his son and a driver's license. I assumed that to mean his son doesn't have a CHP.

If his son doesn't have a CHP, then he would need (pre-repeal) to have a PPP to legally purchase a pistol from a private party. Now, he doesn't.

At least that's how I understood it, but being I'm in SC, I don't have a dog in this fight.

I'll just say I'm glad to see this has happened for NC residents.
 
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BigWaylon said:
Buyer had to have a PPP or CHP to legally buy a handgun. Regardless of buying from an FFL or not.
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That's not current NC law for private sales. Please post that law. My Sheriff in Davidson County made that clear to me a few years ago. To be criminally liable one must KNOWINGLY sale to a person who they KNOW cannot possess it. Read Alamance County SHeriffs memo. He knows the law and clearly states it.
 
Huge win for young adults, who can finally purchase handguns legally across the state.

The cop cars here in Person County have "wE tHe PeOpLe" and American flags plastered all over them, but the sheriff wasn't issuing PPPs to 18-20 year old adults, in clear violation of the Constitution (and even though the existing NC law didn't require a 21 age limit).

I hope as many young adults as possible buy handguns privately and carry them with a New Hampshire nonresident carry permit.
 
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BigWaylon said:
Buyer had to have a PPP or CHP to legally buy a handgun. Regardless of buying from an FFL or not.
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Memo: “Any person seeking to purchase a handgun through a firearms dealer will undergo the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) criminal background check required under current law and either be sold the handgun or denied sale if a criminal history search indicates the person is disqualified from possessing a firearm. For private transfers of handguns, while no National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) criminal background check is required under current law prior to making a private transfer, criminal penalties still apply to any person that knowingly transfers a handgun to a person who may not lawfully possess the firearm.”
 
I've noticed that most people on this forum, when offering a gun for sale (pistol or rifle), ask for a PPP or CHP as a means of vetting. Without the option for PPP, I wonder how the sellers will react.

Maybe this will be an incentive for more people to get their CHPs.
 
Freedom777 said:
That's not current NC law for private sales. Please post that law. My Sheriff in Davidson County made that clear to me a few years ago. To be criminally liable one must KNOWINGLY sale to a person who they KNOW cannot possess it. Read Alamance County SHeriffs memo. He knows the law and clearly states it.
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It was 100% current until the vote today.

There’s no law that says the seller has to keep it, or even look at it…but the law clearly stated the buyer had to obtain one.

To say otherwise just proves you’ve never read the law.
 
Toprudder said:
I've noticed that most people on this forum, when offering a gun for sale (pistol or rifle), ask for a PPP or CHP as a means of vetting. Without the option for PPP, I wonder how the sellers will react.

Maybe this will be an incentive for more people to get their CHPs.
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Or it will be an incentive for Fudds to stop asking for things not legally required. A simple, verbal "Are you 18+, an NC resident, and not a felon?" will suffice, thank you very much.
 
BigWaylon said:
It was 100% current until the vote today.

There’s no law that says the seller has to keep it, or even look at it…but the law clearly stated the buyer had to obtain one.

To say otherwise just proves you’ve never read the law.
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And don’t take my word for it…here’s what it said:

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BigWaylon said:
It was 100% current until the vote today.

There’s no law that says the seller has to keep it, or even look at it…but the law clearly stated the buyer had to obtain one.

To say otherwise just proves you’ve never read the law.
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I'm open to have my opinion changed. Like I said, post that law so I can educate myself. I had the discussion with the Sheriff of my County BEFORE this repeal of PPP today.
 
Freedom777 said:
That's not current NC law for private sales. Please post that law. My Sheriff in Davidson County made that clear to me a few years ago. To be criminally liable one must KNOWINGLY sale to a person who they KNOW cannot possess it. Read Alamance County SHeriffs memo. He knows the law and clearly states it.
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Before today's overriding the veto vote, anyone buying, receiving, etc., in NC had to have a PPP issued by the sheriff of the county they resided in. If you were told otherwise, you received incorrect information.
 
Freedom777 said:
I'm open to have my opinion changed. Like I said, post that law so I can educate myself. I had the discussion with the Sheriff of my County BEFORE this repeal of PPP today.
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Read the post right above yours…I posted it as you were typing.
 
Freedom777 said:
I'm open to have my opinion changed. Like I said, post that law so I can educate myself. I had the discussion with the Sheriff of my County BEFORE this repeal of PPP today.
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Your sheriff misinformed you.
 
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