This is equivalent to generators selling for $3000 after a storm.
It certainly is. People charging high prices have stock. People who charged low prices now have empty shelves.
This is equivalent to generators selling for $3000 after a storm.
In what way is it not the same?Not the same....not even close.
Well get yourself right over to Josh Stein’s website and you can fill out a complaint for any gun store you like and see if he’ll inflict a $5000 fine as promised. I’ll even provide the link. https://ncdoj.gov/file-a-complaint/price-gouging/Is your right to eat artichokes guaranteed in the constitution? This is equivalent to generators selling for $3000 after a storm. There are laws in place to stop that.
Had some time to kill yesterday before going in to work for a bit so I stopped by Hyatts in Charlotte . I dont think Ive ever bought anything there as their prices are always on the high side of ridiculous but I noticed they had .22lr on the shelf and at first I thought well, things must be getting better Nope. CCI standard velocity for $20 a box of 50. Yeah, the $4 stuff.
$29 a box now.And yet, you noticed "they had .22lr on the shelf". Which meant they at least HAD ammo on the shelf to sell.
Like it or not, you know what a business is that has no product on the shelf to sell?
Closed.
Let's say they slap that $4 price tag on it.
In this climate, it would be gone. And with little hope of getting more in any reasonable period of time.
As it stands now, if you NEED some .22 ammo, you know at least one place where you have a reasonably decent chance of getting some.
Well if ya needed some, ya should have bought it at $20.$29 a box now.
In what way is it not the same?
Add up the commodity price increases over the last two years. Its $3 per thousand rounds of 9mm.The current supply/demand issues have not been caused by a natural disaster.
There are a lot of new shooters out there wanting/needing ammo, just like those of us who have been shooting for years.
There have been disruptions in the supply chain for raw materials, due to the plandemic.
It is costing manufacturers more money to produce ammo/components, both in materials and man-hours. Manufacturers pass on that cost increase to distributors. Distributors pass their increase down to the dealers. It costs the dealers more money to keep product in stock. When their costs increase, they will pass that increase along to the consumers. Why? Because they run a business; just like the manufacturers and the distributors. The goal is to provide a product while making a profit. If they price items on the shelf at the same price it costs them, they will not stay in business very long.
Add up the commodity price increases over the last two years. Its $3 per thousand rounds of 9mm.
How are you going to maintain a well regulated militia?I’d like to find CCI 41s at $40/1000, but I know that ain’t happening. I want those primers to load up some empty 5.56 cases I have. I do not “need” those primers, because the lack of them is not adversely affecting the safety/welfare of me or my loved ones.
I know a thing or two about supply chain yeah . Look at what the big box retailers are able to still put it on the shelf for. Yeah it lasts thirty seconds until the gunbroker resellers snatch it up but the prices are almost unchanged give a few percentage points over a year. That gives a indication of what its like at the wholesale level. Beyond that yeah, its profiteering.So you’re stating the manufacturers, distrubutors and dealer costs have not really increased that much over the last couple years?
I haven’t missed a single opportunity to shoot in the past year unless I was busy doing something else. An immediate family member who works at a LGS asked me where i was finding ammo. I said, the same place it always is. M y closet.How are you going to maintain a well regulated militia?
How are you going to maintain a well regulated militia?
I know a thing or two about supply chain yeah . Look at what the big box retailers are able to still put it on the shelf for. Yeah it lasts thirty seconds until the gunbroker resellers snatch it up but the prices are almost unchanged give a few percentage points over a year. That gives a indication of what its like at the wholesale level. Beyond that yeah, its profiteering.
Face it. The LGS is making money right now per round. Not much because they cant get much but their margin is high. Very high. I spent 20 years as an 02/07 and have friends on the retail side. If they can get it their price hasnt gone up by more than 20%. They problem is their allocation has gone down.I would bet the big box retailers pay significantly less to the distributors than the LGS due to volume buying,...they may even be able to purchase straight from the manufacturer without going through a distributor.
Eggzactly.Why did the prices for TP, hand sanitizers, ammo and guns not be frozen due to CV, I guess they only do that for hurricanes.
Face it. The LGS is making money right now per round. Not much because they cant get much but their margin is high. Very high. I spent 20 years as an 02/07 and have friends on the retail side. If they can get it their price hasnt gone up by more than 20%. They problem is their allocation has gone down.
Because the government understands what happened. TP, hand sanitizer and Bullets were being HOARDED by stingy people. That's what cause store to he out of stock. That's what caused demand to go up. And increased demand usually causes an increase in price. COVID didn't cause the shortages. Greedy people did. That's not a "crisis" government will jump in to stop.Why did the prices for TP, hand sanitizers, ammo and guns not be frozen due to CV, I guess they only do that for hurricanes.
Thanks to a manufactured crisis. Greed had nothing to do with it.GreedySCARED people did.
Because the government understands what happened. TP, hand sanitizer and Bullets were being HOARDED by stingy people. That's what cause store to he out of stock. That's what caused demand to go up. And increased demand usually causes an increase in price. COVID didn't cause the shortages.
"No one" would not be an accurate statement
Face it. The LGS is making money right now per round. Not much because they cant get much but their margin is high. Very high. I spent 20 years as an 02/07 and have friends on the retail side. If they can get it their price hasnt gone up by more than 20%. They problem is their allocation has gone down.
If you have 50 rolls of toilet paper, you are prepared. If you have 500 rolls, you are hoarding and part of the problem.I wouldn’t necessarily describe them as “stingy”.
Folks thought they might not be able to get certain items in the future like they did previously, so they started buying more than usual. See...that’s the problem with having “just enough” on hand to get you through until next week’s trip to WM, Lowes or Piggly Wiggly....it’s a losing proposition when demand increases.
Stocking up, or “hoarding” (as some folks like to call it) is not a new concept...older folks have been doing it for years, most likely, because they have weathered some hard times. Nowadays, most folks don’t see the value in doing that because they’re all about the “here and now”...”If I run out of TP, water, food, etc, I’ll just run to WM and get some more.” Well, what if there ain’t any more? Then, people start getting into fist fights over a case of water or ass paper. Why? Because they did not plan ahead and have extra stock on hand.
Folks that get pissed off over shortages and willing to lose their temper with others need to take a good, hard look in the mirror when they are looking for someone to blame...
It’s called forethought, planning, “saving for a rainy day”. Reminds me of what they teach in Driver’s Ed....”Don’t look 20 feet down the road, but 2000 feet.”
Let's say they slap that $4 price tag on it.
In this climate, it would be gone.
I don't know what the number is for any given caliber of ammo, but there's a number where you flip from prepared to hoarding, and part of the problem.
Face it. The LGS is making money right now per round.
I spent 20 years as an 02/07 and have friends on the retail side. If they can get it their price hasnt gone up by more than 20%. They problem is their allocation has gone down.
I never said I was in charge of anything. But there's a line. And hoarding is what's driving the shortages AND high prices of ammo. I'm not saying the government should do anything about it. I'm not offering any kind of opinion whatsoever about it. It is what it is. But the fact remains that if people weren't trying to stash thousands and thousands of rounds that they'll likely never shoit availability would he better and prices would he lower.Not only gone, but gone to be resold by somebody else for at least $15 or maybe as much as $25.
Know what they call a business owner who leaves all that money on the table?
Failed.
Are you in charge of deciding that? Or do we all post our inventories and take a vote on who has too much?
You say that like it's a bad thing.
And do you know how to control demand when supply is low? By increasing price.
Some of us see this as just the opposite. We "hoarded" when supplies were ample and prices were cheap. Those that did not are now the panic buyers; buying everything they can get their hands on at double the prices they were not that long ago; driving the prices up and keeping inventory off the shelf. I and others haven't "had" to buy ammo for quite a while. I don't see "us" as the problem. If there's a lesson to be learned here it's be better prepared for the next cycle cause there surely will be one.I don't know what the number is for any given caliber of ammo, but there's a number where you flip from prepared to hoarding, and part of the problem.
When you use words like “greedy” to describe the possible behaviors of others here, expect to get a less than courteous reply.Retract your claws. I'm not judging anyone. If you need an excuse to be offended this morning find it elsewhere.
I don't know how much ammo anyone here has, nor when they got it. I also said that I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS.When you use words like “greedy” to describe the possible behaviors of others here, expect to get a less than courteous reply.
there's a number where you flip from prepared to hoarding, and part of the problem.
I have no idea how much ammo you have and frankly don't care.