License Check Stop
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Ain’t got time for dat, & I have no interest in stepping in the other ditch like the YT punks begging for attention.
I was in full compliance with the king, and wanted to point out it’s wrong.
DrPhudd
Joe thinks I'm clever
You are right that it has been upheld. But that does not make it constitutional. The BOR is an easy read.
The one's in our county don't want to be doing Anything....
Is this rare for y’all? I only drive about 11k miles a year but I’ve been in at least 10 random checkpoints in the last 2 years.
Do you normally drive around places with houses and factories with broken windows? Where's krabba when you need him.
Most license checks are not really random that I've seen. Most of the county license checks are because of complaints of various things Drugs,speeding, B&E's etc. Highway patrol is Speed,Accident and DWI related so while yes they might set up in the middle of what seems like nowhere there is a reason.
Don't forget democratic fundraisers.
I’ve never driven through a license checkpoint. I probably have driven 30k a year for the last 25 years. I wouldn’t be verbally abusive, but would be a little miffed if I ever hit one. IMO they are crap. And so are almost all traffic stops.
RedneckFur
Smith & Wesson is a religion of peace.
Wrong. The US Constitution states that citizens have the right to freely travel.
To say that right doesn't apply to motor vehicles is no different than saying the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to modern black rifles.
They're pretty steady around here, couple of the smaller towns use them as revenue generators. They use the local cops, write tickets for non-moving violations where they don't have to share the ticket with the HP.
If they happen to catch a DUI, expired tags, license, etc, then they're happy to get that as well.
If they happen to catch a DUI, expired tags, license, etc, then they're happy to get that as well.
OP
I wasn’t verbally abusive until he walked back up and dropped the licenses in the window.
I predict most mass DL checkpoints will go away after more departments have license plate cameras, no need to waste time when you can have
the laptop in the patrol car do all the work for you. Make it easier to find cars that have owner or operators with outstanding warrants etc. For DUI DWI they willl have them during peak times.
the laptop in the patrol car do all the work for you. Make it easier to find cars that have owner or operators with outstanding warrants etc. For DUI DWI they willl have them during peak times.
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Oh, I wasn’t referring to you. I just know my filter sometimes gets lost when it shouldn’t. I would be pissed at the stop without the PD doing anything extra. The dropped license would definitely get a response.
‘Excuse me Sir, you seem to have dropped something. Could you please come pick itmup?’
Haven't seen a license road block here in Years. I'm tellin Ya, my homies are lazy as crap. I had one that would come by and cut my dog's toe nails but now I'm down to one dog and there ain't no way I'm getting my tax money's worth. Useless I tell Ya!!! And yet I can Only IMAGINE how it would be without them.
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The last road block I ran up on was several years ago. We were on the motorcycle just outside of Tabor City, NC.
Here I sit on the pooper, giving birth to a NC state trooper.
License and sobriety check points tend to be near targets of opportunity. My last 2 check point encounters, 1 was in Brunswick Co. near 3 golf courses on a Sunday afternoon. The other near a boat ramp on a Sunday afternoon. Another good way to avoid sobriety check points is to not drive after 10pm at night.
I agree with those that say their a violation against search. Govco claiming driving is a privilege is a bunch of BS from back when horse and buggy were common that should have been stopped back then. Saying courts have upheld it is likewise BS, and only excuses things if you worship the stupid system.
The Dude
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The whole driving is a privledge thing is kind of outdated IMO. How else are ae supposed to get anywhere? Even if I wanted to ride a horse everywhere (which would be kinda cool) I'm pretty sure there's a law against riding horses on I-40. Substitute horse with using the ole heel toe express (walking) and same answer. So what option are we left with besides to submit to driving.
I feel whole heartedly that license and DUI checkpoints for no reason other than to check licenses is nonsense and an overstep of authority, Constitutional or not. What's next? Drug checkpoints, IRS checkpoints? You know, just to make sure that your not a tax evader or have any drugs in the car. If you've got nothing to hide then you shouldn't have a problem with them searching your car or digging into your tax history right?
Now some of you might think I'm hypocritical with what I'm about to say but. I am ok with checkpoints in extremely exigent cirxumstances. Such as, kidnapped child, escaped convict ect. But do not feel that it should be a dam free for all like after the Boston Marathon Bombing.
I feel whole heartedly that license and DUI checkpoints for no reason other than to check licenses is nonsense and an overstep of authority, Constitutional or not. What's next? Drug checkpoints, IRS checkpoints? You know, just to make sure that your not a tax evader or have any drugs in the car. If you've got nothing to hide then you shouldn't have a problem with them searching your car or digging into your tax history right?
Now some of you might think I'm hypocritical with what I'm about to say but. I am ok with checkpoints in extremely exigent cirxumstances. Such as, kidnapped child, escaped convict ect. But do not feel that it should be a dam free for all like after the Boston Marathon Bombing.
While few of us live in larger cities, there are still other alternatives.
I live in the Triad - HP, WS, GSO all have local bus routes, but there is also PART, which is a bus service that runs all over the county.
Trains still exist and some people do use them for longer trips (to Charlotte, to Raleigh)
Neither are great options, in my opinion.
But the fact is, it IS a privilege.
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I don't think they should use major thoroughfares during the heaviest hours of the day.
Then you should read the word "unreasonable" just before "search and seizure".
@Pink_Vapor, have you found that when you show a bunch of bad attitude to other people, they respond positively? I was on that same road as you during deer season, with a Glock on my hip and a couple of rifles in the back seat, midday on a Saturday. They had set up right at the mental health center just north of Moncure. I greeted him with "good morning, officer" and a smile and was on my way.
Mods, thank you for cleaning it up so I don't have to have that in my head as I head to church this morning.
Use is ok, where else are they going to ride? I have a problem with them holding back traffic in a 45mph zone when the are three across and not going close to 45mph!
Well, when we get our new license plate from the State we will have the "right" to use that whole lane just like you.
Yes you will, at close to the speed limit so you are not impeding traffic. If not then a ticket! Yeah!! Like that's going to happen...
How Da'F is the State going to administer this, who knows.
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It then goes on to prescribe the conditions for issuance of a warrant, "and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
This language was chosen specifically to prohibit issuance and execution of general warrants, i.e., searches not based on any probable cause nor looking for any particular person or item of evidence or contraband. It was included precisely because of abuses by the Crown's Officers. You should read more history.
Is my name on that warrant? How about my vehicle? I didn't think so. It is a general warrant.
How about that probable cause? Oh, you've detained 5,000 vehicles and made twenty DUI arrests. Congratulations, but in what parallel universe is a 0.4% likelihood considered probable?
That judges have upheld it is beyond dispute, just as Dred Scott was ruled and held sway for better than half a century. Judges have a duty to rule according to the Constitution and statutes and know which takes precedence. Hint, it's the former. Just because they have ruled so doesn't make it lawful. Inability or unwillingness to read and comprehend written English is not an affirmative defense. I'll offer into evidence our illustrious 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, motion for summary judgment and rest my case.
Personally I'm against fees for human powered anything. First bicycles then canoes/kayaks, need to feed the .gov monster...
You missed the point but I suspect you are ignoring it, no big deal I might be wrong. I pass cyclists that are on the side of the road and give them the proper space. It's the ones that ride three across, not stopping at stop signs, crossing lanes without notice. If licensing stops this behavior then I'm ok for it, but it won't.
Back to the regular program...
WRAL just had a blurb that there is an all (LEO) hands on deck, selective enforcement campaign going on in Johnston Co. right now. Part of the HP's Survive the Drive campaign(?)
Don't drive with your dog in that area...