Selling pistol to private party

idbdan said:
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When a private seller goes through an FFl
to transfer his or her firearm, it can also
improve the ability of law enforcement to
trace that firearm
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That is what we are trying to avoid. I do not want the government knowing what firearms I have. If a firearm is stolen from me, I will report it to the police so they will know it is mine if they happen to find it. They do not need to know about that firearm until I ask for their help recovering it.

To bring a relevant recent talking point into the discussion, all firearms should be ghost guns. They should not be able to be traced to the owner.
 
Charlie said:
That is what we are trying to avoid. I do not want the government knowing what firearms I have. If a firearm is stolen from me, I will report it to the police so they will know it is mine if they happen to find it. They do not need to know about that firearm until I ask for their help recovering it.

To bring a relevant recent talking point into the discussion, all firearms should be ghost guns. They should not be able to be traced to the owner.
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AR10ShooterinNC said:
A BOL offfers you no legal protection, if the DA wants you can still be charged for selling a gun to a prohibited person.

FFL transfer is really the only way to fully cover your but.
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They would have to prove you did so knowingly, correct?

keepcalmandcarryon said:
you actually think someone is going to such an elaborate ruse of:
-buy a firearm
-post ad
-drive 30 minutes to meet

just to gather one data point of already publicly available information?
If you are at that level of concernI would be more worried about the fiat currency that is being used for the transaction
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I don't want some random dude knowing where I live...
 
amyracecar said:
They would have to prove you did so knowingly, correct?



I don't want some random dude knowing where I live...
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Same here! It’s bad enough the bank, and all my utility bill folks know where I live. Heck the IrS knows it already too. Let’s not forget the Medicare scam callers too.
 
Radar said:
Same here! It’s bad enough the bank, and all my utility bill folks know where I live. Heck the IrS knows it already too. Let’s not forget the Medicare scam callers too.
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Hey those scam callers don't (necessarily) know where I live!
 
idbdan said:
Some of the items you listed to ban aren't good associations to firearms. But I see your point. I believe government mandated social objectives are just a facade for profiteering.

I don't believe that you can attribute the repeal of FFL requirements resulted from a majority choice. It's who paid the politician to change it. Our system doesn't apply majority / minority vote and politicians rarely vote with their constituents consensus. ( no prob on the clarity - I would have taken it as you noted. It would be hard not to when reading a logical and respectful post.)

Right's in the US are overrated. What they are calling a legal 'system' requires you hire council to protect you against misjudgement. That's not a system, it's a for profit industry. Wealth walks / poor pay. A bad list too long to type ..... etc etc.. Rights in the US have come to "who can buy their change to fit their needs". And fanaticism is it's new name. Follow the money.

I disagree with the value of a life depending on perspective. That may be one of my problems. I give more than I take. Humanity wouldn't be here today had we allowed indiscreet perspective become the denominator. And the world would be a conglomerate of 3rd world s holes. I hold all human life in high regard since my time in the military. I'm not a devout Christian but I see great value in applying WWJD reasoning. What Would Jesus Do. He'd get an FFL, law or not.
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Nah, he wouldn’t, he just go to a fish’s mouth and get what he needed.
Don’t turn Jesus into a democrat it’s not biblical.
 
Average Joe said:
The fallacy of your premise lies in the belief that because someone is able to purchase a firearm from an FFL that they are a good, decent, and moral person. In reality, it only means that said person may have not yet been caught, charged, and convicted in a court of law. There is always the possibility they are still a horrible person, only it’s unknown to you.
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Hunter Biden come to mind?
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Do you think a liberal DA will not be able to make up a story to get you convicted in a liberal city? Will you have the money and time to fight the charges?
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I was asking the question to verify I understood things correctly

Could shit go sideways, could some cracker jack DA with a hair up their butt make my life miserable and expensive - f**k yeah -


I am a less is more approach - do what the law requires and no more. No need to involve myself further in someone else's business.
Sold it, can't help ya, sorry.
 
amyracecar said:
I was asking the question to verify I understood things correctly

Could shit go sideways, could some cracker jack DA with a hair up their butt make my life miserable and expensive - f**k yeah -


I am a less is more approach - do what the law requires and no more. No need to involve myself further in someone else's business.
Sold it, can't help ya, sorry.
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Studentofthegun said:
But most of the time the griping comes from people who have these requirements and get mad because the item doesn’t move.
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The following is not directed at Studentofthe gun.

It's an overall suggestion for individuals that have hardware ~ accessories for sale.

FFLs have different markets or areas they cover.

Get to know different FFLs and I mean for selling accessories or hardware.

Some FFLs are good for moving accessories, magazines, etc.

Other FFLs will offer a fair price for firearms and then there's the consignment arrangements.

Some FFLs list on Gun Broker, and others have relationships with rifle ranges.

I am fully aware some dealers will offer $50 for hardware worth $500.

There are dealers that can and will offer close to a valued price for hardware.

This option is not a One Size Fits all by any means.

It is an option available to not deal with >> any << site for firearm sales.

Of course

YMMV
 
idbdan said:
I'm a "To each his own". It's the root of our nations existence.
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No, you are not.
This is typical, for your feelings to get in the way of supporting your fellow American

Guns, hammers, chicken, cars, bathroom fixtures, all things everywhere should be free for me and any other American to buy and own freely. Without government approval.
But, since you are scared, you believe you know what’s best for everyone.
 
Can't believe people like that really think their second amendment hate will catch on or that they will "convert" people who love freedom to their way of thinking?!?
It always kills me when a liberal friend says "why do you need a handgun or assault rifle for hunting? They should be illegal!"
They truly have no concept of why the forefathers made the second amendment it has zero to do with hunting and everything to do with our ability to protect our freedoms from a tyrannical few.
Thanks to people on this site and others like it for consistently standing up for what's right. I salute you. 😊
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
This is debated amongst members hotly and it basically divided into two camps. One is the libertarian wing where not only don’t you need anything but asking for anything means you are a craven sellout to “the man”.
The other wing prefers some CYA in case the pistol you sold ends up with a dead hooker in a cheap motel.
Personally I have been tracked down by a DA on a gun found on a convicted felon so I was glad to have a bill of sale.
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I have also been tracked down by a detective who I promptly told to get off my lawn when he started being obnoxious after I told him I sold the gun to some guy I worked with 15 years prior and did not recall his name.
 
Redsoxfan said:
Can't believe people like that really think their second amendment hate will catch on or that they will "convert" people who love freedom to their way of thinking?!?
It always kills me when a liberal friend says "why do you need a handgun or assault rifle for hunting? They should be illegal!"
They truly have no concept of why the forefathers made the second amendment it has zero to do with hunting and everything to do with our ability to protect our freedoms from a tyrannical few.
Thanks to people on this site and others like it for consistently standing up for what's right. I salute you. 😊
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We visit the Cape at least once a year… it blows my mind how the birth place of the United States can be so anti- American.
Truly a travesty.
It has to be a chemical imbalance in their brains to not have that rational thought.
 
Catfish said:
lib relative:

me: *direct eye contact* I don’t hunt.
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I also like Vivek if you listen to him he would be the most pro second amendment president ever. He said in a interview recently the constitution requires that law abiding citizens be allowed to own fully automatic weapons just like the government. 😊
 
wired said:
I have also been tracked down by a detective who I promptly told to get off my lawn when he started being obnoxious after I told him I sold the gun to some guy I worked with 15 years prior and did not recall his name.
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I know right? He is just trying to track down a violent felon, nothing serious. just tell him to mellow out dude, you’re anger is interfering with my aura…
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I know right? He is just trying to track down a violent felon, nothing serious. just tell him to mellow out dude, you’re anger is interfering with my aura…
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No, thats not what he was doing at all. They found the box from the gun in a "drug house". GTF off my porch!
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I know right? He is just trying to track down a violent felon, nothing serious. just tell him to mellow out dude, you’re anger is interfering with my aura…
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keepcalmandcarryon said:
Yeah, not life or death, like people overdose or anything!
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I read your posts as pure sarcasm, and I laugh. Maybe I’m laughing with you, maybe not, either way thanks for the laugh.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Yeah, not life or death, like people overdose or anything!
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So what does the firearm BOX have to do with people overdosing? You really thinking tracking down a firearm BOX is going to keep people from OD'ing on fentanyl?

You have such a bee in your bonnet about this, and are so butthurt that people won't kowtow to your notions of putting additional requirements on private transactions that you can't help but make snide comments that don't have anything to do with...anything.

That just seems petty. Time to let it go.
 
It boils down to this from James Duane: ‘Anything you say can and will be used against you. Nothing you say can or will be used to clear you.’ Therefore, If I keep an optional piece of paper it can never be of legal benefit to ME in any way.

I might show it to a cop one day and get a warm fuzzy for helping his investigation, or I might have handed him PC for a warrant. I’m not keeping papers.
 
Catfish said:
It boils down to this from James Duane: ‘Anything you say can and will be used against you. Nothing you say can or will be used to clear you.’ Therefore, If I keep an optional piece of paper it can never be of legal benefit to ME in any way.

I might show it to a cop one day and get a warm fuzzy for helping his investigation, or I might have handed him PC for a warrant. I’m not keeping papers.
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100%
Couldn't have said it better!
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
I know right? He is just trying to track down a violent felon, nothing serious. just tell him to mellow out dude, you’re anger is interfering with my aura…
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And here for the last few days, I was beginning to think you got the hint and had decided to tone down your anti freedom, obnoxious posts.

Looks like I was wrong.

This website may be better suited for you

momsdemandaction.org

Moms Demand Action

Moms Demand Action is a grassroots movement of Americans fighting for public safety measures that can protect people from gun violence.
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Burt Gummer said:
And here for the last few days, I was beginning to think you got the hint and had decided to tone down your anti freedom, obnoxious posts.

Looks like I was wrong.

This website may be better suited for you

momsdemandaction.org

Moms Demand Action

Moms Demand Action is a grassroots movement of Americans fighting for public safety measures that can protect people from gun violence.
momsdemandaction.org momsdemandaction.org
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Toprudder said:
I have, on more than one occasion, bought a gun from someone who required going through an FFL. In one case, I was very new to the forum (not this one) and the seller had no way of knowing anything about me. In the other, the seller knew me very well, but was worried about having purchased the gun originally in New Jersey, having jumped through all the hoops necessary in that state. Yes, I think he was being paranoid, but I understood.

I have made enough purchases in the past that I am sure to be on the government’s radar, and at this point I would be quite proud to know that they have burned their retinas looking at my blip on the radar screen. I’m sure they can trace several guns to me, but there are some that I’m sure they can’t.

As far as serial numbers, it works in more than one direction. I know someone who had a family heirloom gun stolen from him, along with other items, that the police recovered. He got the other items back, but because he could not give them the serial number of the gun, they would not return it to
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www.cnn.com

ATF loses track of 1,400 guns in criticized probe

Federal agents can't account for more than 1,400 guns after a widely criticized operation aimed at tracing the flow of weapons to Mexican drug gangs, sources with knowledge of the investigation tell CNN.
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Government cant keep up with guns even when they have the serial numbers. Sorry the link is to CNN. I also as an ex Canadian can tell you the gun registry there was a dogs breakfast. it was finally scrapped after they realized it was as useful as a 1960s phone book. Serial numbers are good for recalls when a defect is discovered. Otherwise they dont in most cases solve anything. I think most LEO and stats back that up.
 
Anecdote:

About 15-16 years ago I traded a handgun for a handgun with my (then) son in law.

SIL and stepdaughter later divorced an she kept the pistol.

2-3 years ago pistol was stolen during a break- in. Stepdaughter did file a report with SD.

A couple of months ago APD detective called and said pistol was used in an unspecified "incident". I gave him the story and my stepdaughter's phone number.

Two weeks ago he called me and said that since I am the registered owner the firearm would be returned to me at the end of prosecution.

No bills of sale involved.
 
Krusty said:
I bought the pistol new so it's registered to me
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And why do YOU think that? - although I suppose a cop telling you is convincing. We're not supposed to have a pistol registry in this state. What's happening here is very very wrong.
 
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Krusty said:
I bought the pistol new so it's registered to me. If I had transferred it at an FFL it would go to the transferee.
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Its not registered to you You were the last buyer of record but thats it. A registration is more like the NFA system where you hold what amounts to title on it and if you want to change ownership you have to change title through the federal version of the DMV for firearms...the ATF
 
Catfish said:
And why do YOU think that? - although I suppose a cop telling you is convincing. We're not supposed to have a pistol registry in this state. What's happening here is very very wrong.
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I guess because I filled out a 4473. He called me because the records show I originally purchased the pistol from an ffl.
 
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