Selling pistol to private party

idbdan said:
Wow. Gun owners with anger issues?

lost? I was told this forum was free of politically based hogwash.

My comment mentioned nothing of "further" restrictions? It clearly referred to a law removal. And removing a law that was facilitated in 1917 doesn't fall under "further" restrictions. That shows you're just looking for a fight.

Outed myself? Were you looking for me? Look no further, I'm honest, transparent, and not paranoid of anyone taking my weapons away. I have nothing to hide or fear. So applying the principle of simply spending a little time for a background check to ensure a felon doesn't buy a weapon from me is no problem. They can come to you for a gun if they need one.

FUDD? Name calling and labeling someone you've never met because you saw 1 post of theirs with a minor opposing opinion? Demonizing your fellow American because of their opinion isn't in the Constitution. You do mention the Constitution quite often? Seems your approach to an opposing opinion is "shoot first"?

"Internet" and "truth" can't be used in the same sentence. Thanks for the research advice anyway.

I'm a "To each his own". It's the root of our nations existence. I'll easily respect your opinion without having to call you names, negatively label you, or consider you my enemy. The real Constitutional truth is Unity. So if you want to forfeit Unity for the division that the District of Corruption politicians and Internet based information provide, you don't need anyone to approve or agree. Especially not me.

Trying to convince me to join your attempt in division is futile. I can't, I have a Constitutional and prior military commitment with America to serve Unity and the laws that give us the ability to achieve middle ground when in disagreement. You want your way and only your way.

Too many politically based anger issue comments in this thread. And without a doubt you've applied a derogatory label to anything I post from here on. I won't be your forum whipping post for anger release. I'll be sure to pass that along to the customer that suggested I join to share my skills. He assured me it wasn't that way.

And with that I will say thanks for the knowledge I've gained in here and goodby.
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Wow. 2 days on the forum and you pick a fight, whine about the results and say a dramatic goodbye, only to continue to post? You really need to go over to the AKFiles and look into AKPete being snubbed.
 
idbdan said:
I disagree with the value of a life depending on perspective. That may be one of my problems. I give more than I take. Humanity wouldn't be here today had we allowed indiscreet perspective become the denominator. And the world would be a conglomerate of 3rd world s holes. I hold all human life in high regard since my time in the military. I'm not a devout Christian but I see great value in applying WWJD reasoning. What Would Jesus Do. He'd get an FFL, law or not.
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Let me get a cross for you to climb onto.
 
idbdan said:
Now you're just putting words in my mouth? Some of the things you just said are pure speculation of what I think and outright misnomers. Sorry, but not worth addressing.
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In other words, you won’t discuss it because you’d be confirming it. Got it.

If government mandated social objectives (such as those aimed at “safety”) are just a facade for profiteering, then what good is a background check? It’s little more than a feel good measure designed to give some people the false perception of safety. And we pay for that perception of safety with actual liberty.

So…how about those AR-15s?

By the way, Jesus wouldn’t need an FFL since He can see into the hearts of men. If you actually knew Him, you’d know that.

Nice appeal to authority argument though.
 
This guy mentioned earlier one of his customers recommended the website so I'm assuming he owns/works at a gun store. His profile says Willow Springs but could this be Larry Hyatt? Unfortunately there are many owner/operators of gun shops that really don't care about the 2A, only about making a buck.
 
rights aren't overrated - they are underappreicated. thats why theyve been making great progress eliminating the few we have left. just another permit for this, another tax for that, ban this, ban that, confiscate this.

eventually maybe theyll get to attacking something that you DO care about but it'll be way too late to do anything about it then. but go ahead and enjoy the ride on that high horse of moral superiority while you can - maybe itll earn you a special spot with the stasi.
 
idbdan said:
I can't resist.

Maybe you should get an FFL background check to be sure?
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You seem to be able to resist direct questions, salient points, and any information that conflicts with your view.

But you can’t resist making a nonsensical comment that has nothing to do with anything.

Well, the time of us not taking you seriously is certainly coming to a middle.
 
idbdan said:
I want to know "for sure" the background of whom I'm handing a gun to. It's a responsibility issue that includes a moral preference and principles.
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The fallacy of your premise lies in the belief that because someone is able to purchase a firearm from an FFL that they are a good, decent, and moral person. In reality, it only means that said person may have not yet been caught, charged, and convicted in a court of law. There is always the possibility they are still a horrible person, only it’s unknown to you.
 
idbdan said:
I can't resist.

Maybe you should get an FFL background check to be sure?
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So, did you join just to be a dick, or did you decide that after you got here?
 
idbdan said:
My comment didn't imply anything. I've never seen any one turn 12 words into 30 to understand the context?
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Perhaps you would prefer I phrased it this way : I infer from your choice of words. Lousy coming from "lice-infested" as a connotation of being unclean. Stating not going through an ffl for a private transfer shows a disregard for the community wellbeing; acting in such a way is definitely antisocial. Your choice of words carries the connotation that those who don't comport themselves as you would are unclean antisocial people. Not a connotation likely to endear the new guy to the (unwashed, apparently) masses here on the forum.
idbdan said:
I 'personally' require going through an FFL for private sales and I find it irresponsible not to when the cost in money and time is inconsequential. I want to know "for sure" the background of whom I'm handing a gun to. It's a responsibility issue that includes a moral preference and principles. So I'll keep doing it and you do what you want.

I'm not casting aspersions. I'm noting the irresponsibility of the matter. Show me how it's not irresponsible other than "I don't have to". And how the decision not to can hold water when held up to moral and ethical standards? Pretty easy question and a chance to prove me wrong.
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Calling someone irresponsible IS casting aspersions...

As I don't sell guns, I don't need to go through an ffl or not. I'm an accumulator, not a collector lol.

Eta... when posing the question WWJD, please remember that under the appropriate circumstances flipping tables and scourging with a whip are possible responses.
 
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keepcalmandcarryon said:
This is debated amongst members hotly and it basically divided into two camps. One is the libertarian wing where not only don’t you need anything but asking for anything means you are a craven sellout to “the man”.
The other wing prefers some CYA in case the pistol you sold ends up with a dead hooker in a cheap motel.
Personally I have been tracked down by a DA on a gun found on a convicted felon so I was glad to have a bill of sale.
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You do understand a BOL is meaningless. All that needs to said to any LEO asking about a gun is that I sold and i don’t remember any details.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
You do understand a BOL is meaningless. All that needs to said to any LEO asking about a gun is that I sold and i don’t remember any details.
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Just curious if a BOS is meaningless why do some people get upset about filling one out?
Not trying to be a smart ass but sincerely want to know. It costs you nothing then why not?
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Just curious if a BOS is meaningless why do some people get upset about filling one out?
Not trying to be a smart ass but sincerely want to know. It costs you nothing then why not?
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Because people don’t want to give up their details.I have no problem showing my DL and CCW, but I will not a buyer copy info or take a photo of them.

Something to think about, how do you prove the BOL is real?
 
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keepcalmandcarryon said:
Just curious if a BOS is meaningless why do some people get upset about filling one out?
Not trying to be a smart ass but sincerely want to know. It costs you nothing then why not?
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1. Because why do something extra when it is meaningless? The burden of justification is on the requirer.
2. Because firearms are regulated quite enough already. What it says is “I, as the seller, require the buyer of my gun to jump through more hoops than even the government requires”.
3. Maybe my home address etc is none of your business. Of course that could vary based on what is on the BOS but I have seen them with the buyer’s NCDL number, phone number, full name, and home address. I guess if you are willing to put all that your info on there too that would kinda even it out. But not really.

Again: if you want to require it that’s up to you. By all means, require it if it makes you feel better. But also understand why some folks just don’t want to do it.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Because people don’t want to give up their details.

Something to think about, how do you prove the BOL is real?
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Check DL. Yeah still can be fake but it gives an extra layer.
I personally also like getting a BOS when I buy in case sometime down the road it ends up being a stolen gun.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Check DL. Yeah still can be fake but it gives an extra layer.
I personally also like getting a BOS when I buy in case sometime down the road it ends up being a stolen gun.
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That’s fine too. However if you plan to make the seller jump through additional hoops you need to make sure that’s something you tell them up front. Especially as it pertains to any deals on this forum.

If you try to spring additional requirements after time/place/price have been determined and the seller takes issue, you might lose account privileges.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Totally agree on that you do you.
Just mystified by the reluctance.
Same thing about FFL transfer. If the buyer pays for it why get bent out of shape?
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A BOL offfers you no legal protection, if the DA wants you can still be charged for selling a gun to a prohibited person.

FFL transfer is really the only way to fully cover your but.
 
Studentofthegun said:
3. Maybe my home address etc is none of your business. Of course that could vary based on what is on the BOS but I have seen them with the buyer’s NCDL number, phone number, full name, and home address. I guess if you are willing to put all that your info on there too that would kinda even it out. But not really.
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you actually think someone is going to such an elaborate ruse of:
-buy a firearm
-post ad
-drive 30 minutes to meet

just to gather one data point of already publicly available information?
If you are at that level of concernI would be more worried about the fiat currency that is being used for the transaction
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
Totally agree on that you do you.
Just mystified by the reluctance.
Same thing about FFL transfer. If the buyer pays for it why get bent out of shape?
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I thin you are projecting things on folks that isn’t there.

It isn’t that people get “bent out of shape”. They simply say “nope, not willing to do that” and move on. Now, people will give their opinions about it, sure. Especially in the member areas.

But most of the time the griping comes from people who have these requirements and get mad because the item doesn’t move.

The thing is, as others have mentioned, the BOS doesn’t really give you any protection. And since we are a libertarian minded bunch, nobody likes jumping through extra hoops.
 
keepcalmandcarryon said:
you actually think someone is going to such an elaborate ruse of:
-buy a firearm
-post ad
-drive 30 minutes to meet

just to gather one data point of already publicly available information?
If you are at that level of concernI would be more worried about the fiat currency that is being used for the transaction
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Not as a ruse. But if you don’t know my real name how are you going to find it?

That’s more than one data point by the way. It’s several.

I mean, you can try to justify it if you want and have a jaundiced view of anyone that doesn’t want to conform to your requirements. In fact I honestly can’t tell if you have a favorable opinion of the forum membership or not at this point.

How about this. You require what you want. Let others decide. And then agree to disagree?

We’ve explained ourselves. Now is the point where you either accept it or not.
 
AR10ShooterinNC said:
Because people don’t want to give up their details.I have no problem showing my DL and CCW, but I will not a buyer copy info or take a photo of them.

Something to think about, how do you prove the BOL is real?
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Yeah I can make a bill of sale saying I sold it to anyone. Get a name and address off someone’s mail in their mailbox. It’s useless unless you are copying id and CCW.
 
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This dude really does remind me of one of those gunshop owners who's butthurt because people aren't forced to pay him for transfers.

Even if private sales get banned the gangsters still aren't going to pay your shop for the kings grace. It's just going to cause honest people more headaches. But hey, I actually care about $20 so maybe I'm just a bad person.

This whole thing makes me want to go sell a gun to a stranger on the sidewalk 🤣
 
idbdan said:
Now you're just putting words in my mouth? Some of the things you just said are pure speculation of what I think and outright misnomers. Sorry, but not worth addressing.
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You and I don’t know each other from Adam. I will admit that, especially in the past, @Studentofthegun and I butted heads, sometimes badly. However, I have come to respect him greatly and more often than not his words are full of wisdom and insight. We have also met and “broke bread” together and we are both part of the same local community.. This place is more than a forum, it is a community built over time and several forum iterations and many of us have met in person and known each other for several years and even know each others families. Most of us are very liberty minded and understand that freedom is messy, but prefer that over any amount of govt. promised safety.

i cant see where he has put any words in your mouth. His replies to you, which have been an honest attempt to engage you, have been very reasoned. Perhaps you could try to pay better attention.
 
noway2 said:
You and I don’t know each other from Adam. I will admit that, especially in the past, @Studentofthegun and I butted heads, sometimes badly. However, I have come to respect him greatly and more often than not his words are full of wisdom and insight. We have also met and “broke bread” together and we are both part of the same local community.
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Thanks buddy. And we will break bread again if I can ever get a dad gum day off work. :(
 
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