ladder13
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I’d take that anytime.100/67
Those rascals!
I’d take that anytime.100/67
Those rascals!
Really?Unless just compensation is provided, the proposed law is in violation of the 5th amendment of the
Really?
https://www.newsweek.com/bump-stock-ban-lawsuit-dismissed-1467834
The law is different in this case because the government, as the sovereign, has the power to take property that is dangerous, diseased, or used in criminal activities without compensation.
Now tell me how exactly confiscation of dangerous bump stocks is different from confiscation of dangerous AR-15?
And how many are 3%-ers of 10,000,000 NC population? I suppose something like 300,000 so resistance would be at least... noticeable? ;-)
Smart from the government side and stupid from "anyone"'s side. Now we all have quite a few people who ARE criminals and can be stripped their gun rights via laws the majority of pro-2A crowd have no objection about, because they are f...ng felons. Very smart. Let them make stupid law, then disobey these law and become a felon, then get your rights taken. And, last but not least, as a side-effect, get some distrust and disrespect to laws.I don't know anyone who has turned i n or destroyed a bump stock.
Smart from the government side and stupid from "anyone"'s side. Now we all have quite a few people who ARE criminals and can be stripped their gun rights via laws the majority of pro-2A crowd have no objection about, because they are f...ng felons. Very smart. Let them make stupid law, then disobey these law and become a felon, then get your rights taken. And, last but not least, as a side-effect, get some distrust and disrespect to laws.
That the already the worst case scenario for a law and respect-based society. The law must be either obeyed or must be proactively resisted to the point where it is easier to repeal it than enforce. This is the society based on the law.
Otherwise you just follow liberals' "bla-bla-blah justice" concept - do what you feel is justified rather than follow community contract called law.
Smart from the government side and stupid from "anyone"'s side. Now we all have quite a few people who ARE criminals and can be stripped their gun rights via laws the majority of pro-2A crowd have no objection about, because they are f...ng felons. Very smart. Let them make stupid law, then disobey these law and become a felon, then get your rights taken. And, last but not least, as a side-effect, get some distrust and disrespect to laws.
That is already the worst case scenario for a law-based and respect-based society. Any law must be either obeyed or must be proactively resisted to the point where it is easier to repeal it than enforce. This is the society based on the law.
Otherwise you just follow liberals' "bla-bla-blah justice" concept - do what you feel is justified rather than follow community contract called law.
Every single one of these bastards should have to stand on stage and point out the parts that they are banning on every single weapon they are banning. Doubt anyone could point out a barrel shroud. Or a bayonet lug. Or probably even a pistol grip.
Would be nice to see the rural folk storm the gates and make examples out of these politicians.
I ALMOST want to compare it to the NC bill that didn't make it anywhere, just to see how much of the text is shared.
almost. but I don't want my blood pressure to shoot up 5+ extra points, because I'm clearly not as healthy as kcult, who has a "raised" blood pressure that is lower than mine when i'm dead asleep.
There was a gun group in some other state that actually recorded a politician saying they had no idea what was in the bill - a group gave it to them and it was approved by their handlers, so they sponsored it because guns are bad.
Unless just compensation is provided, the proposed law is in violation of the 5th amendment of the U.S. Constitution. I don't know how magazine bans that require the surrender to law enforcement without compensation have withstood this.
Yea, but you won't be able to take it to the range, train with it, zero a scope, or take a 30 round mag out of the house. It could only come out when SHTF. And if you ever get red flagged, you wouldn't just lose your guns, they will drill into your safe and now you'll lose your freedom and your job.They haven't.
They have been met with MASSIVE noncompliance, to the tune of 95+% of the "expected" number of banned items not showing up. Given the number of people who have things that nobody knows about, it's only technically incorrect to say that there is over 100% noncompliance with them.
Police know they can't go door to door. The only people charged with possession of banned items are people who are already getting a laundry list of charges (often righteously) dumped on them. mag possession is kind of just an add on charge.
here's how it's working out in colorado
Yea, but you won't be able to take it to the range, train with it, zero a scope, or take a 30 round mag out of the house. It could only come out when SHTF. And if you ever get red flagged, you wouldn't just lose your guns, they will drill into your safe and now you'll lose your freedom and your job.
Cooper writes about a German in a Russian concentration camp in WWII. It was obvious to him that 100 men could easily take over the prison. To stay meant certain death in the coming winter. This German captain tried for 2 weeks to get his men to understand it was in fact Do or Die. He finally left on his own and made it all the way back to the German lines. He returned to fight the Russians again.And how many are 3%-ers of 10,000,000 NC population? I suppose something like 300,000 so resistance would be at least... noticeable? ;-)
I'm a little more hopeful, but have no expectation. Won't be the first time I've stood alone.Cooper writes about a German in a Russian concentration camp in WWII. It was obvious to him that 100 men could easily take over the prison. To stay meant certain death in the coming winter. This German captain tried for 2 weeks to get his men to understand it was in fact Do or Die. He finally left on his own and made it all the way back to the German lines. He returned to fight the Russians again.
He couldn't even get 10 let alone a hundred. Be prepared to act on your own. They will kill you and use you for an example why "free men" don't need firearms. This sickens me but I have accepted it. The men of 1776 and 1860 are no more. At least not in numbers that can be effective.....God I wish I was wrong.
Cooper writes about a German in a Russian concentration camp in WWII. It was obvious to him that 100 men could easily take over the prison. To stay meant certain death in the coming winter. This German captain tried for 2 weeks to get his men to understand it was in fact Do or Die. He finally left on his own and made it all the way back to the German lines. He returned to fight the Russians again.
He couldn't even get 10 let alone a hundred. Be prepared to act on your own. They will kill you and use you for an example why "free men" don't need firearms. This sickens me but I have accepted it. The men of 1776 and 1860 are no more. At least not in numbers that can be effective.....God I wish I was wrong.
If you ask me, it’s a different group that needs to be put on their knees. Any enforcers that would choose to protect that group are likewise the sworn enemy of the a people and need to be dealt with as such.people are choosing to bend the knee.
y'all sound dangerous. When the feds show up at your door, please tell them me and my dogs have nothing to do with you people.
We will Proudly shout it from the roof tops...….The Battery Oaks folks accept only patriots in our company.y'all sound dangerous. When the feds show up at your door, please tell them me and my dogs have nothing to do with you people.
That’s the sort of thinking that enables these gun grabs. It’s believing that they somehow have a right or a legitimacy to enact them, to tell The a People they can’t be armed while simultaneously arming their hired agents of force. Apparently they think that because there was a vote or something that it makes it a matter of their or even public majority opinion. They’d be wrong. We’ve lived for too long in a society where there the people have been passive and obeyed and now they want to cross the line. They believe that people will passively hide their guns and play the “please don’t see me game”. They think they’re the only ones who will act with force and violence. They believe they’ll be the ones going to people’s homes. Thry think there will be no repercussions for kicking things off by trying to make a few examples. They’d be wrong.y'all sound dangerous. When the feds show up at your door, please tell them me and my dogs have nothing to do with you people.
y'all sound dangerous. When the feds show up at your door, please tell them me and my dogs have nothing to do with you people.
I wish you are, but my eyes tell me that you are 100% right. :-(God I wish I was wrong.
y'all sound dangerous. When the feds show up at your door, please tell them me and my dogs have nothing to do with you people.
I’ve had this conversation with others. It is recognized that the moral standing to fight has been there for a long time now. Personal comfort keeps a lot of people from doing that, but things could be changing. Look at what happened in NY last weekend.Your very statement I have quoted is proof that you understand this is no longer the Land of the Free. Your plea to be denied is also proof that we may no longer be the Home of the Brave, either.
You do know your dogs will get it first when they come for you, right? I would rather be standing and dangerous than on my knees licking boots.
Murica, home of the free, if you're brave enough.
By the way Va is not a state, it's a Commonwealth.
States? change the bill of rights? by 2/3 of them getting together and having their representatives in the house and senate vote on a new amendment.I still want to know how states could change the bill of rights??????
Legitimate in your (or anyone else's) mind or not, laws matter and have a direct effect on everyone. Illegitimate laws need to be opposed and defeated beforehand or repealed afterward, not just ignored because you think that you can sneak around under the radar.You go right ahead. Comply if you wish.
Just because it came out of a politician’s arse and landed on paper doesn’t make legitimate or valid.
Legitimate in your (or anyone else's) mind or not, laws matter and have a direct effect on everyone. Illegitimate laws need to be opposed and defeated beforehand or repealed afterward, not just ignored because you think that you can sneak around under the radar.