Terrorist attack in London

[Bailey Boat]

Let's face it, we all know this is coming to the USA sooner rather than later but I'm not seeing anything done (other than by Trump) to impede it. It seems that quite the opposite, we're giving them a free ride into our country. The courts are killing everything that could possibly stop/slow the mass influx of these bastards. As soon as there are enough of them we won't be seeing the attacks as "over there" they will be HERE......
My words to my wife is to avoid large crowds at any and all cost and be prepared to kill every SOB you meet 'cause you don't know who the enemy may be.....
In closing, I'm an admitted crotchety old bastard and whenever I see a Muslim I make it a point to make eye contact and maintain it until they look away, that's all I can do for now..... Discriminatory?? Racist?? Your damned right it is... if you don't like it, leave...

 

[Lawless]

That is way too kind. Are you on meds? I expect more vitriol from you. Man up dammit.

We are witnessing a kinder, gentler Chikn....

 

[NCFubar]

I am English, I am proud to be English but I am not a fool - my Dad was in a boat rescuing soldiers off the beaches at Dunkirk in WW2, its time we found that spirit, pride and willingness to do what is needed - across the world.

There the problem is ... a big lack of "doing". In today's environment most people just go along with their noses in their iPhones and are not concerned with much of anything outside their little bubble. I would almost bet your Father along with most others of the Greastest Generation would be ready to slap the iPhones out of our hands and say get your damn priorities straight ...

As to the WWII type pride in country ... people rationed everything from sugar to gas to shoes ... they turned in metals for scrap drives to help build planes, tanks and even down to bullets. Sorry Chik but I'd bet 99.44% of today's youth would die if they couldn't have the things that our Parents, Grand Parents and such gave up freely with national pride to support the protection of their county.

 

[CZfool68]

I just read the British PM's statement. Typical POS. She fails to call out Islam in general and wants to make sure that Democratic Gov'ts can control the internet. Cause without the internet Islam would just be all peace loving huh?

 

[Lawless]

Tick Tock

 

[Lawless]

 

[The Green Heron]

We are witnessing a sedated Chikn....

Fify

 

[Chiknchick]

There the problem is ... a big lack of "doing". In today's environment most people just go along with their noses in their iPhones and are not concerned with much of anything outside their little bubble. I would almost bet your Father along with most others of the Greastest Generation would be ready to slap the iPhones out of our hands and say get your damn priorities straight ...

As to the WWII type pride in country ... people rationed everything from sugar to gas to shoes ... they turned in metals for scrap drives to help build planes, tanks and even down to bullets. Sorry Chik but I'd bet 99.44% of today's youth would die if they couldn't have the things that our Parents, Grand Parents and such gave up freely with national pride to support the protection of their county.

Totally agree & it's a worldwide problem, the PC brigade (and those who stood by and watched) have created generations of special snowflakes whose biggest fear is Facebook going offline or Snapchat being unavailable or **gasp** someone having the audacity to suggest they should be accountable for their actions...

Pride in your country has become a swear word and now the world is reaping what it has sown and God help us all if we rely on the entitled youth to facilitate the change we need.

Politicians here & in the U.K. are far more concerned with their own personal wealth and interests and so detached from real life they cannot ( and wouldn't) effect the changes needed.

**disclaimer**

Not all of our youth is of the snowflake category but far too many are

 

[drypowder]

I'm not saying that the UK's laws on weapons or their approach to extremism is right, it's not.
The nanny state has allowed extremists a free reign to recruit and grow BUT at this point arming the general populace is not going to solve the problems.

This reflects a very European (and indeed, somewhat collectivist) mode of thinking. It assumes the problem is only a collective problem.

If a jihadist is trying to kill you, yes, there is a collective element to the issue. But there is also a very individual element. You are a person and your death at the hands of a jihadist, while only a statistic to the government or to the population at large, would be much more than that to your family and friends. So while carrying a gun may do nothing for the collective problem of dealing with terrorists who are willing to die, it certainly gives you, the individual, an option that may save your life.

Americans are being indoctrinated into this collectivist mode of thought, but we still stubbornly (in the eyes of the left) cling to individualism and individual rights. That means I keep the right to defend myself, even if everyone having that right means more deaths (it doesn't, but even if it did, I would still support the right to self-defense).

 

[Chiknchick]

This reflects a very European (and indeed, somewhat collectivist) mode of thinking. It assumes the problem is only a collective problem.

If a jihadist is trying to kill you, yes, there is a collective element to the issue. But there is also a very individual element. You are a person and your death at the hands of a jihadist, while only a statistic to the government or to the population at large, would be much more than that to your family and friends. So while carrying a gun may do nothing for the collective problem of dealing with terrorists who are willing to die, it certainly gives you, the individual, an option that may save your life.

But if you hand out guns to people who for the most part have never seen one let alone used one what do you think would happen?
The likelihood of anyone (except the jihadist) hitting anything they were aiming at is slim to none, you can't undo a way of life that has been for hundreds of years overnight.
For Europe there has to be a different approach short term.

 

[Meckmeister]

This reflects a very European (and indeed, somewhat collectivist) mode of thinking. It assumes the problem is only a collective problem.

If a jihadist is trying to kill you, yes, there is a collective element to the issue. But there is also a very individual element. You are a person and your death at the hands of a jihadist, while only a statistic to the government or to the population at large, would be much more than that to your family and friends. So while carrying a gun may do nothing for the collective problem of dealing with terrorists who are willing to die, it certainly gives you, the individual, an option that may save your life.

Looking at my own station in life, I seriously doubt that chances of an encounter with a jihadist waving their black flag and shouting praise to allah are that great. However there is a greater likelihood that copycat criminals will use some of the same techniques, out of control cars/knife attacks to get their way if they know the success rate.

Those people could be the same idiots in the local crime reports every week. But I give them credit for being smart idiots, so I protect those around me.

 

[drypowder]

But if you hand out guns to people who for the most part have never seen one let alone used one what do you think would happen?
The likelihood of anyone (except the jihadist) hitting anything they were aiming at is slim to none, you can't undo a way of life that has been for hundreds of years overnight.
For Europe there has to be a different approach short term.

OK, you are wandering right into gun grabber logic here. I've got too much stuff to get done today to break this down, but I'm sure someone else will be happy to dissemble this argument. If not, I shall return to shred this like Edward Scissorhands.

 

[Friday]

This just in...
White van considered responsible for causing oppressed minorities to act out in rage...
@wsfiredude in post 63 is absolutely spot on..it was the van that attacked the people.

And then dingbat-in-chief Teresa May proudly boasts how armed police were on the scene in 8 minutes and used guns (!) to kill the attackers. No mention of the unarmed (?) police who were right there and ran away, or..reality check..that 8 minutes might as well be 8 years when you're in a situation when you realize that your life is about to expire.
I've been in damn-near-died situations several times. Let me tell you if you've never experienced it..seconds turn into what seems like hours, and in my case, all you can think about is your loved ones and the pain & grief that will overcome them. The only reason I'm here today is a 10% ability to control panic, and 90% just freakish good luck.

Those who wish to push the envelope of life and death can have my share. Once you actually almost do die, you won't be doing that s**t anymore. My bet is the survivors of these attacks will no longer want any association or anything to do with the causes that put them in death's crosshairs. Henceforth, they will then be known as racists and haters.

 

[Meckmeister]

This just in...
White van considered responsible for causing oppressed minorities to act out in rage...
@wsfiredude in post 63 is absolutely spot on..it was the van that attacked the people.

And then dingbat-in-chief Teresa May proudly boasts how armed police were on the scene in 8 minutes and used guns (!) to kill the attackers. No mention of the unarmed (?) police who were right there and ran away, or..reality check..that 8 minutes might as well be 8 years when you're in a situation when you realize that your life is about to expire.
I've been in damn-near-died situations several times. Let me tell you if you've never experienced it..seconds turn into what seems like hours, and in my case, all you can think about is your loved ones and the pain & grief that will overcome them. The only reason I'm here today is a 10% ability to control panic, and 90% just freakish good luck.

Those who wish to push the envelope of life and death can have my share. Once you actually almost do die, you won't be doing that s**t anymore. My bet is the survivors of these attacks will no longer want any association or anything to do with the causes that put them in death's crosshairs. Henceforth, they will then be known as racists and haters.

"My bet is the survivors of these attacks will no longer want any association or anything to do with the causes that put them in death's crosshairs." I'll have to disagree with you to some extent. I've worked with Brits and Aussies overseas and had many discussions with them about our life/their life. You would beat your head against the wall trying to deter their global, humanist views on how they defend 'the downtrodden' to the end (their end?), more valued than their own lives it seems. Just my experience.

 

[Dale Gribble]

 

[WeepingAngel]

I just read the British PM's statement. Typical POS. She fails to call out Islam in general and wants to make sure that Democratic Gov'ts can control the internet. Cause without the internet Islam would just be all peace loving huh?

What's the definition of insanity? Because they've been doing the security state thing for years now...

 

[NCFubar]

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Hmmmm ... I could see a shirt in the future

 

[DurhamDad]

No offense to those who have posted it, but I am always taken aback when people say something to the effect of "Watch out, it won't be long before these Euro-style terror attacks start happening here!"

Really? What was Orlando? San Bernardino? The Boston Marathon? Ft. Hood twice? Several random beheadings and car/knife attacks (e.g. Ohio State)? Not to mention September 11th or way back with the first Trade Center bombing. Heck, it's been more than ten years since NC had its own jihadi car attack at UNC Chapel Hill!

And an 8 minute response time by armed security?! If that is true, it is simply appalling. You've got one of the most popular tourist destinations in the largest city of a nation that's in "critical/super-urgent/imminent attack" threat status and it took 8 minutes to get an armed response there? Unbelievable.

 

[Jayne]

What I can't figure out is who do they immediately blame? Here it's easy, they have the NRA and Trump to blame for all violence. What's their go-to there, Hertz and Ginsu?

 

[georgel]

The best first responders will be those being attacked, if they are capable. The longer it takes, the more confusion and panic and difficulty of identification of the perpetrators. Note, the police that were there were unable to engage. But, they had clear identification of the targets. Note the many accounts of those witnessing attacks. They had clear id, but we're unable to respond adequately. New responders dropping into an ongoing situation are faced with a bunch of bloody screaming people, while trying to figure out what happened, where it's happening and who's doing it. The bad guys could have dropped their knives and blended into the mayhem.
Look at Israel. It not uncommon to see school teachers armed to protect the children and it's not uncommon for civilians to shoot a perpetrator when an event begins. Because, the best first responders are the ones already there.
But, just having a gun is not enough. If you're going to carry, you should train. It's just a tool. If you don't know how to use it properly, it's as useless as not having it.

 

[GymB]

I would like to see Brits have an opportunity to arm themselves. It'd be interesting to create that opportunity, even if burdened with fees, training obligations and senseless delays, and see how many folks sign up.

OTOH, as long as there are relatively soft targets all over Europe maybe the crazies will stay there.

 

[Cowboy]

 

[NCFubar]

Look at Israel. It not uncommon to see school teachers armed to protect the children and it's not uncommon for civilians to shoot a perpetrator when an event begins. Because, the best first responders are the ones already there. But, just having a gun is not enough. If you're going to carry, you should train. It's just a tool. If you don't know how to use it properly, it's as useless as not having it.

Israel ... while other countries have mandatory military service they serve out of pride and need (they are surrounded by muslims that want to eradicate Israel. Many of the armed people seen are actually part of their defense forces and not individuals. There is serious gun control in Israel and it might surprise people but there are less than 200,000 privately owned firearms in Israel ... now that does not count all those in the various defense forces. An individual once issued a license and takes possession of the firearm is also very limited on ammo ... like 50 rounds.

 

[Gunbelt]

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Don't forget a souvenir of your kill. An ear is a beautiful thing to waste.

 

[B00ger]

So, let's look at doesn't work;

1. We pour trillions of dollars into their countries in an attempt to built infrastructure, education systems, and medical facilities.

They blow them up.

2. We welcome in their refugees with open arms.

They cut our arms with knives.

3. We stress that they just need to acclimate to our cultures.

They shoot up night clubs and concerts.

4. We push disarmament of civilians in an attempt to curb violence.

Being disarmed means victims have less personal effects to be identified with the bodies.

In short: there has never, in the 1,400 year history of Islam that >anything< has ever worked.

As was said above, it isn't coming here next. It has been here for a while. And it is here to stay.

On that note: Outdoor Limited has really good sales on ammunition this week.


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[The Swamp Fox]

 

[DCGallim]

Prime Minister is calling for regulation of the internet, because that's what is causing all these problems.

 

[B00ger]

Prime Minister is calling for regulation of the internet, because that's what is causing all these problems.

Someone on the bridge must not have cleaned their cookies...


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[drypowder]

Trump nailed it: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871331574649901056

Because of course if they had used guns, that's all the left would be talking about.

An Imam with useful advice:

But instead of talking about an immigration ban on Muslims or cracking down on the mosques in the UK, Theresa May was yapping about controlling the internet. These people weren't meeting on the internet, they were meeting in mosques in YOUR ******** COUNTRY.

The cuckified response from the UK makes it clear that the only thing to come from this 3rd attack in the UK in less than 3 months will be UK citizens having more of their rights stripped from them.

 

[drypowder]

So, let's look at doesn't work;

1. We pour trillions of dollars into their countries in an attempt to built infrastructure, education systems, and medical facilities.

They blow them up.

2. We welcome in their refugees with open arms.

They cut our arms with knives.

3. We stress that they just need to acclimate to our cultures.

They shoot up night clubs and concerts.

4. We push disarmament of civilians in an attempt to curb violence.

Being disarmed means victims have less personal effects to be identified with the bodies.

In short: there has never, in the 1,400 year history of Islam that >anything< has ever worked.

As was said above, it isn't coming here next. It has been here for a while. And it is here to stay.

On that note: Outdoor Limited has really good sales on ammunition this week.


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I think you overlooked the part about US.gov incessantly meddling in their countries, planning coups, overthrowing secular governments, and inciting wars that have killed over a million people in the last 15 years or so.

But I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

 

[JohnFreeman]

at this point arming the general populace is not going to solve the problems.

It's not going to solve all the problems, but it sure as well would stop the goat humper approaching me and my family with a knife.

 

[drypowder]

CNN Caught Staging Fake News - Trots Out Anti-ISIS Muslims To Express Outrage After London Attacks

 

[B00ger]

I think you overlooked the part about US.gov incessantly meddling in their countries, planning coups, overthrowing secular governments, and inciting wars that have killed over a million people in the last 15 years or so.

But I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

Yes, forgot about that. That totally means they should be blowing up concerts and children in Manchester.


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[Brangus]

Prime Minister is calling for regulation of the internet, because that's what is causing all these problems.

Well.......imagine that. The liberals have changed their narrative once again.

Before when it was Benghazi ol' Hillary swore that all of the violence was over a film. Now they've changed it to the internet. I'm sure that it will finally circle around and fall in Trump's lap as the blame game continues.

 

[Les White]

Mike Rowe is the shizznet...

Yesterday, in the wake of another attack on our civilization, I found myself doing the same thing I always do – flicking back and forth between cable news channels, looking for facts. Then, I began to hear an expression repeated that I hadn’t heard before; a mantra that British citizens are now being encouraged to employ when confronted with terrorism. The mantra is “Run, Hide, Tell.” The more I heard it repeated, the more I found myself asking my television “what the bloody hell is happening here?”

Once upon a time, my Scoutmaster was very concerned that I would find myself engulfed in flames. In the event of such a disaster, he told me to “Stop, Drop, and Roll.” This turned out to be excellent advice for two very important reasons. First of all, it works. Unless you’re able to jump into a nearby body of water, your best hope of putting out a fire on your person is to smother it by rolling around on the ground. Secondly, “Stop, Drop, and Roll” is good advice because it's counterintuitive. When you’re on fire, your immediate urge is to run. But of course, you can’t outrun the flames. Running only makes the flames burn hotter. It gives the fire more air, which it craves.

No - I’m not about to suggest that running and hiding from terrorists is bad advice – I’m just saying I’m very grateful that not everyone takes it. I’m grateful that some people run toward the danger, and not away from it. And no – I’m not talking only about first responders; I’m talking about civilians who do that which is counterintuitive. I’m talking about Todd Beamer and the other guys who tried to take back the cockpit of Flight 93. I’m talking about the guys on that train in France who charged an armed lunatic and saved countless lives. I’m talking about the shopkeeper yesterday, who held the door shut, even as men with knives tried to barge into his restaurant.

I’m not blaming anyone who runs from armed killers, bent on murder. That would certainly be my instinct, and I strongly suspect I’d give in to it when the chips are down. But really – what is it we should be telling our people to do when confronted with evil? Run from it? Hide from it? Is this really the way to strengthen our collective resolve? By putting our personal safety above all things?

Yesterday, when I could take no more, I watched one of my favorite documentaries, about one of my favorite people. It’s called “Winston Churchill – A Giant in the Century. It made me feel better.

Then, this morning, I found this cartoon on my wall, and realized, as usual, I’m not alone.

Mike

 

[Don]

 

[3ought2]

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[georgel]

I think you overlooked the part about US.gov incessantly meddling in their countries, planning coups, overthrowing secular governments, and inciting wars that have killed over a million people in the last 15 years or so.

But I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.

Wait... Are saying the US government actively participates in manipulating the politics of other countries?? You, mean Russia wasn't the first and only to do this??? Has anyone told the Democrats?


The real danger is that we've turned on ourselves. Those subversive tactics are now being used against our own. By who? TBD

 

[JBoyette]

But if you hand out guns to people who for the most part have never seen one let alone used one what do you think would happen?

The same damn thing that happens every day in the US.

Not much.

Owning a gun on any side of the pond does not matter. Ownership does not = ability. Even in the southern states...

 

[B00ger]

The same damn thing that happens every day in the US.

Not much.

Owning a gun on any side of the pond does not matter. Ownership does not = ability. Even in the southern states...

I agree. The person being quoted was dipping his toes in the anti-rhetoric. Millions of guns are currently in the hands of people who have fired little to no rounds in their lives, much less actual training of any sort. And yet...the streets aren't flowing red.

Where they >are< flowing red is the bastions of gun control in the nation that are democrat run cesspools of crime and gang life.


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